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[felipe_9595]

I am not liking NL. Jdietz its the best lynch option today. He is the one that gives the most information over a lynch. Also, he is a claimed miller. WHy are you defending him so much???

 

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (10):
Jdietz43 (3): Swiss, Ryker, Bleck Mang,
Red Ryu (3): July, Jdietz43, dabuz
dabuz (2): Rockin, No Lynch
Orboknown (1): th3kuzinator
Swiss (1): Dark Horse


Not Voting (3):
Red Ryu
Orboknown
felipe_9595

 

[Swiss]

I am not liking NL. Jdietz its the best lynch option today. He is the one that gives the most information over a lynch. Also, he is a claimed miller. WHy are you defending him so much???

Did I just.....agree with Felipe?

IGNORE ME ALL MY READS MUST BE WRONG.

July I will not back down from my Dietz lynch. I will make you choose betwen the two of us. I suggest you choose now and move on rather than have thins conctantly dragging town back to the same points and cases. We'll need new content toMorrow - but if Dietz is not lynched toDay I'll be left with no choice but to derail us until he is lynched.

 

[Swiss]

Felipe vote Dietz for me.

For yourself.

For town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Except you never actually read my explanation of those 4 posts apparently... My reads have been nothing but consistent, you only have yourself to blame if you couldn't keep track.

(and saying you haven't been paying attention to Orbo probably isn't a great thing to be saying right now, hell you even quoted him in your last post)

Consistently on whatever's popular at the moment.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Orbo, vote Dietz for me or explain why you're not voting him.
@Mod - Can we get something done about DH?
July, the wagon you're on is full of disgusting people. Don't be on it.
Dabuz, vote Dietz. He needs to be gone.
Kuz, why are you sticking to your town read on him?
Rockin, will you vote Dietz, for me? I know you love me. If you won't then why?

 

[Swiss]

July I will not back down from my Dietz lynch. I will make you choose betwen the two of us. I suggest you choose which of us to lynch now, vote and move on rather than have this constantly dragging town back to the same points and cases. We'll need new content toMorrow - but if Dietz is not lynched toDay I'll be left with no choice but to derail us until he is lynched.

Editted for grammar/spelling - was in a terrible rush.

 

[Swiss]

Ryker why are you ignoring me - don't you love me anymore?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because every single thing I could think of to convey what I wanted to tell you after your last post directed at me would come across horrendously to anyone who isn't you. Unlike you, I think I've got a little less room to swim around in due to not being here half the time.

My biggest nightmare is that some combination of Dabuz, Orbo, and Felipe will flip town and people will look at me before looking at ****ing Ditz and RR because the players who are town and not easily led will all be dead.

Would bet a large sum on at least one scum between Ditz and RR.

Would bet an equally large scum on at least two scum between Ditz, RR, DH (forgot he was a thing), and Kuz.

The main thing I like about Dabuz is that he doesn't fit with these scum picks (Sans DH who goes with everything. He's like hot sauce.).

 

[Swiss]

Oh go on, say it anyway.

You should clarify the wording of the start of paragraph 2 before people call you scum. You indie.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I said I had less room, not no room.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Voteblock I strongly feel was a town action. Idk why scum would voteblock RR, but as town, keeping RR from voting is one way to make sure he's not as much of a liability toDay. Voteblocking/silencing I'm guessing go together/work as one ability, it would be unlikely for him to get voteblocked and silenced by two different people.

This is pretty grimy.

There is little reason to suggest that Town would do this on N0, they lose connections off voting, if they do hit town they lose power of their majority if they hit town. Even worse you assume it;s more likely to be town when mafia has not only far more reasons to do such but even more likely than town to do it over mafia.

FoS: July

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss, you sure Ryker is town?

I don't see anything he's done that makes me feel that way.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This is pretty grimy.

There is little reason to suggest that Town would do this on N0, they lose connections off voting, if they do hit town they lose power of their majority if they hit town. Even worse you assume it;s more likely to be town when mafia has not only far more reasons to do such but even more likely than town to do it over mafia.

FoS: July

Why? The reasoning is actually solid.

Personally, I think you just did it to WIFOM.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why? The reasoning is actually solid.

Personally, I think you just did it to WIFOM.

Your kidding right?

Tell me why town should vote block on a N0, it's a crap shoot at best.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Either compulsive or to eliminate a liability.

Why's it such a big deal, RR? Why does that one line cause you to suspect July?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Either compulsive or to eliminate a liability.

Compulsive, I doubt it but would be a good explanation why a townie would do it N0.

Eliminate a liability? There was nothing pre game to suggest this was better

Why's it such a big deal, RR? Why does that one line cause you to suspect July?

She immediately assumes it's town when nothing suggests this, even more so a lot more against town doing it N0.

 

[Swiss]

RR, voteblocking you is legit - look how bad you are. I'd voteblock you even if I were masoned with you.

July is town.

Ryker's reads aren't fakes since we agree on everything, which makes him not-mafia. He's town until proven indie.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, voteblocking you is legit - look how bad you are. I'd voteblock you even if I were masoned with you.

July is town.

This might change a lot more if certain people flipped scum actually.

Ryker's reads aren't fakes since we agree on everything, which makes him not-mafia. He's town until proven indie.

It's more so how he is doing it that urks me.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

*irks .

 

[Orboknown]

@Orbo/anyone: How much experience does Orbo have?

Won Newbie 16 as mafia, just finished my run in FFT.

Orbo: Opinion on dabuz?

Throwing votes around pretty unevenly as of late, including a red Ryu vote wrapped in black text. Took dietz out of context, and thats what i remember off my quick read through to get caught back up this morning.

Orbo, vote Dietz for me or explain why you're not voting him.

Vote:Dietz Honestly, we do get information out of this more so than any other tht is potentially out there right now because Jdietz has interacted with nearly everyone.

Ryker's reads aren't fakes since we agree on everything, which makes him not-mafia. He's town until proven indie.

So ryker can not be mafia, but has a possibility of Indy-did i get that right? Why?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Eliminate a liability? There was nothing pre game to suggest this was better

Exactly, so you act based off prior knowledge. I'd have picked Felipe, honestly, but whatever.

She immediately assumes it's town when nothing suggests this, even more so a lot more against town doing it N0.

But this doesn't matter. It's one point that doesn't even heavily denote scum. Appears more likely to me that she's come to the (probably correct) conclusion that you're scum but doesn't think the scum team would vote block you if you were scum. I have no such issues.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu: You said you support a dabuz lynch right? More than Orbo? Who are your top 3 scum picks at the moment?

I'll delving into Dabuz a bit, let me get back to you on that. I'm trying to consider him more from the town angle.

Orbo can die.
Ryker can die.
Bleck Mang can die.

Pretty much were I stand right now.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The funny part is that none of those three can really die because, let's face the facts here, the lynch is coming down to Ditz or Ruy.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Exactly, so you act based off prior knowledge. I'd have picked Felipe, honestly, but whatever.

This still doesn't explain why knowingly do this is better for town to get information over trying to gamble on hitting scum with it.

Even the liability angle falls on itself when you consider it's still taking a crap shoot and isn't worth it if you hit town. Your giving scum more control over the lynches if you do hit town.

But this doesn't matter. It's one point that doesn't even heavily denote scum. Appears more likely to me that she's come to the (probably correct) conclusion that you're scum but doesn't think the scum team would vote block you if you were scum. I have no such issues.

Considering it was a N0 when it occurred, I still heavily doubt town would do this.

It's piggybacking the reads into the reasoning, when it's mutually exclusive. The only time this kind of reasoning would make sense to consider is after a flip, aka my flip.

Otherwise it's just preemptive.

The only reasons I would really accept for town doing this is it's compulsive, something I didn't consider, or them being dumb and putting it down when it's far better to get reads before using a power like this.

Letting them vote is far better for town to get information over vote blocking them for being a liability.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The funny part is that none of those three can really die because, let's face the facts here, the lynch is coming down to Ditz or Ruy.

Orbo is on the table at this time and I'd prefer him over Deitz.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Orbo is on the table at this time and I'd prefer him over Deitz.

Really? Because I'm actually pretty opposed to that which is going to hold weight. Kuz is the ONLY one voting him and seems to be the only one willing to lynch him over the two people I mentioned.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This still doesn't explain why knowingly do this is better for town to get information over trying to gamble on hitting scum with it.

Even the liability angle falls on itself when you consider it's still taking a crap shoot and isn't worth it if you hit town. Your giving scum more control over the lynches if you do hit town.

The rationale is that it's worth it to block a townie if said townie is a liability. The point is not to take a scum vote, the point is to take a vote that is going to be misused. Hey, you're talking about voting Orbo, so I'm not worrying about it in any case.

Considering it was a N0 when it occurred, I still heavily doubt town would do this.

It's piggybacking the reads into the reasoning, when it's mutually exclusive. The only time this kind of reasoning would make sense to consider is after a flip, aka my flip.

Otherwise it's just preemptive.

The only reasons I would really accept for town doing this is it's compulsive, something I didn't consider, or them being dumb and putting it down when it's far better to get reads before using a power like this.

Letting them vote is far better for town to get information over vote blocking them for being a liability.

That's fine. This argument is fairly useless. The point here is that, instead of simply moving to correct the assumption, you drop an FoS since you are voteblocked. What you have yet to do is explain why it's so damning to make that one statement or expand AT ALL on what other things July has done to warrant a vote.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Really? Because I'm actually pretty opposed to that which is going to hold weight. Kuz is the ONLY one voting him and seems to be the only one willing to lynch him over the two people I mentioned.

I can understand that connection wise that Deitz holds more weight, my reads will be impacted by his flip.

Scum flip, I remove Ryker, Swiss, Orbo would be cleared for me off his posts, I'd look into Kuz, July, and NL more.

Town, I look into you, Swiss, and Orbo.

Scum wise, it's not simple for me.

I have doubts he's being fed and coached, it's too all over the place at times. I could treat his voting of Swiss as OMGUS and something I think newer players would do. Even then a lot of his habital posting seems natural and fluent, though I do think it's probs more null but something I notice with players in their style of posting.

The things I can agree with his how much he is playing how new he is and not taking direct stances earlier, which does irk me.

I don't see Orbo who had a legit flip flop, then a rather quick jump with me on Swiss' gambit as good.

His flip gives me a lot of good info and could very well show me I'm Fing up my reads this game, but I don't think he is scum.

 

[Orboknown]

His flip gives me a lot of good info and could very well show me I'm Fing up my reads this game, but I don't think he is scum.

are you still talking about me in the bolded ryu or is it back to Dietz or someone?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

are you still talking about me in the bolded ryu or is it back to Dietz or someone?

Dietz in that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That's fine. This argument is fairly useless. The point here is that, instead of simply moving to correct the assumption, you drop an FoS since you are voteblocked. What you have yet to do is explain why it's so damning to make that one statement or expand AT ALL on what other things July has done to warrant a vote.

For me here, it's more so the other posts she has made with it in mind. I'm getting a tunnel feel from it with her pushing hard, not a Circus town kind of way.

The more I read into things she is calling me out on, not posting part 2 not thinking I very well could have irl school problems, which I do atm with exams ,me falling behind with projects, etc. She was very quick to call my britches and hoses meta or even my Walgreens meta over activity even after the fact at this point I've disproved it.

She is very quick to call the voteblock with town intent very quickly before.

She really is giving me a dishonest look at how she is looking into me others at this point.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Face it RR. What you did was blatant OMGUS. She's not tunneling in any way. She's got things she wants done and pushes those above others, but she isn't ignoring the game.

You lied and exaggerated two points one of which I don't recall whether it's valid or not.

Not sincere unless incredibly stupid.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

And you know...your probably right on the stupid part.

I didn't lie though, I'm not liking her push on me. Though,

She's got things she wants done and pushes those above others, but she isn't ignoring the game.

I don't see why this is a part of that post. I don't think I even thought she was ignoring the game.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red is themselves.
Blue is more likely not connection.
Green is suspect.

Still rereading to see where people are linked on certain flips off their posts but this is where I'm sure people are less likely not connected.

Need a flip first, but more or less I'm certain on most of these.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

inb4 mod votes for posting a chart.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am not liking NL. Jdietz its the best lynch option today. He is the one that gives the most information over a lynch. Also, he is a claimed miller. WHy are you defending him so much???

Yeah, but is he scum?

Why is there so much scum this game. Intent > surface content.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And, NL, I'd be down but Orbo is so much scummier than Dabuz atm. His boarding of Dietz reeks.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And I love how Orbo didn't even bother to comment or even acknowledge the wagon on him or the multiple things people have said. He just took information as a reason to board Dietz and that was it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

And, NL, I'd be down but Orbo is so much scummier than Dabuz atm. His boarding of Dietz reeks.

Read on Orbo pending a Dietz scum flip. Take it for granted for me.