Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[Jdietz43]

(and apparently all 3 gambits have been against me... -.-)

 

[Orboknown]

ignoring the vast "not a gambit" bolded text?

 

[Jdietz43]

Obviously: Like we're supposed to trust anything Swiss says ever after he lied twice in gambits before now, or that the mod would be willing to answer such obviously helpful questions about the game set-up to someone playing

 

[Orboknown]

depending on what his role is he might just have an ability that could out that sort of info.

 

[Jdietz43]

Even after he claimed to have cheated last time as a part of his gambit? I suppose I can't stop you from trusting him, but there's no way I'm going to.

If he is, this is a case of "Mankind ill needs a power role such as you".

(the real joke is I was ready to try and stop the Swiss vs. Me nonsense today so we could focus on other people since everyone was viewing him as town... I guess that isn't going to actually happen)

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dammit Swiss. I wasn't supposed to post today.

This is interesting from you Ryu. Why assume that Swiss is telling the truth? Why have a cop cc rather than lynch Swiss to see if he is telling the truth? This is especially true with the fact that you've had such a strong scum read on Swiss and have a town read on dietz. We should be lynching Swiss. At this point he is confirmed for indy. Do you realize how ridiculous sounding it is for a town role to have confirmed information that there is no cop in the game? The only other reason Swiss would claim what he has is if he is in fact cop. I would hope that he wouldn't do something like this if he were _-_

Swiss is confirmed scum at this point and we are lynching him.
A cop should not CC.
If Swiss is revealed to be telling the truth (upon his role flip), we can look into dietz tomorrow.

It's simple.

If Swiss is lying if no cop CC, Jay flips town in this situation, we lynch him for lying to get a mislynch.
If Jay flips scum, Swiss in confirmed town and we have a dead mafia.

We get mafia no matter what.

Of course assuming Swiss isn't lying to gambit, again. I'm willing to pursue this because I do not think town Swiss would lie like this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No offense Jay, but if your a town miller I'm willing to lynch you if it gets dead mafia.

If your mafia then lol.

 

[Jdietz43]

That's fine, I was gearing up to be ready to lynch you back for being too scummy. Trusting Swiss's obvious gambit was the last nail in the credibility coffin from me to you. It was nice while it lasted though

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss dies if he is lying before anyone else tomorrow. That much is certain, he won't walk away from pushing a gambit like this to get his personal lynch off.

I'm willing to do this because I think a cop claiming is perfectly fine if it nails at least one scum.

It's simple, if Swiss is lying he dies, if he isn't you die.

That is why I am willing to go along with this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Dammit Swiss. I wasn't supposed to post today.

This is interesting from you Ryu. Why assume that Swiss is telling the truth? Why have a cop cc rather than lynch Swiss to see if he is telling the truth? This is especially true with the fact that you've had such a strong scum read on Swiss and have a town read on dietz. We should be lynching Swiss. At this point he is confirmed for indy. Do you realize how ridiculous sounding it is for a town role to have confirmed information that there is no cop in the game? The only other reason Swiss would claim what he has is if he is in fact cop. I would hope that he wouldn't do something like this if he were _-_

Swiss is confirmed scum at this point and we are lynching him.
A cop should not CC.
If Swiss is revealed to be telling the truth (upon his role flip), we can look into dietz tomorrow.

@NL: You want to lynch Swiss before Jay, why? Jay should go before Swiss in this situation.

You also tell me he is confirmed scum, nothing suggests this. You also say he should claim he is the cop, that makes no sense for him to do this then. If he is the cop, he would have believed Jay over wanting to lynch him.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Swiss dies if he is lying before anyone else tomorrow. That much is certain, he won't walk away from pushing a gambit like this to get his personal lynch off.

Yes he would. He's claimed miller to get the cop lynched when they had an inno on him. He wasn't subsequently lynched either.

Swiss is probably lying and should be ignored. Dietz still town. Agree with NL that most of the active posters seem townie. Dabuz and Orbo seem like good lynches. Maybe DH, Rockin or Felipe but I recall having town reads on their slots earlier in the game for some reason. Don't know whether J and Gorf are playing as polar opposites on purpose to try and mask someone from getting a read on the slot or their reads really are that incompatible.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes he would. He's claimed miller to get the cop lynched when they had an inno on him. He wasn't subsequently lynched either.

Swiss is probably lying and should be ignored. Dietz still town. Agree with NL that most of the active posters seem townie. Dabuz and Orbo seem like good lynches. Maybe DH, Rockin or Felipe but I recall having town reads on their slots earlier in the game for some reason. Don't know whether J and Gorf are playing as polar opposites on purpose to try and mask someone from getting a read on the slot or their reads really are that incompatible.

Where did he do this?

 

[No Lynch]

OK - without outing everything. This is not a gambit.

I have it mod confirmed there is no [to find scum] cop and that there is an indie.

Not a gambit.

Lynch Dietz, ffs.

>mfw someone claims cop as a counter gambit...just don't

First of off, Orbo and Ryu, the bolded line should be telling enough. I feel like you guys are faking to believe Swiss in order to look town lol.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Telling of what?

 

[No Lynch]

That it's a gambit. Read the whole line.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If he did, that's ********.

 

[Orboknown]

or it could be saying "dont counter claim as cop just to counter claim cop"

 

[th3kuzinator]

Where did he do this?

Celebrity Mafia.

 

[No Lynch]

or it could be saying "dont counter claim as cop just to counter claim cop"

-.- are you for real? You actually believe his claim? He is lying. He made it up out of no where. It's a pretty ridiculous claim. As I said if he actually continues with the claim, the only possible alignment he could have is indy. Town wouldn't be given random information like that.

 

[Orboknown]

but i see your point.

 

[No Lynch]

Orbo have you read the entire game yet?
Bleck what is with your connection to dabuz????????

 

[Orboknown]

s i have.
im not saying i believe it, but like ryu said, if it is wrong then swiss dies tomorrow.

 

[No Lynch]

We already KNOW it's wrong. We aren't lynching dietz.

 

[No Lynch]

Vote: Orbo

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Yea yea yea I'm not home so I'll quote this on my hydra when I get home.

K. Miller claim. I was gonna come in here and wonder why we're simply letting Dietz slip by because of the miller claim. Ultimately that shiz is null, the fact that he comes up with a guilty... Hell, it seems fishy that somebody who's played two games can think of breadcrumbing a miller claim... But maybe you guys think that's speculation and are still stuck on Dietztown. Seriously, he is the most informative lynch at this point. I don't know if I believe Swiss, but hey if he's lying he's scum so whatever. His flip will, BY FAR, have the most information behind it... Immensely... So like I said before Unvote Vote: JDietz.

Oh and Ruy what's scummy about having a large amount of people Bleck Mang would be cool with dying? Me and J have some conflicting reads, yea, but I don't see why that's such a big fuss to you bro...

@Mod is it intentional that there is no Game Specific section in the OP? If not, are there any roles that are confirmed not in the game?

I don't like Red Ruy's Mr. Perfect Townie-esque view on this claim of Swiss'. It's almost too mechanical; he's reminding me of Gheb in Dissidia. That, adding on to the fact that he really DID make a total 180 as far as his read goes, irks the living SHIZ out of me. That being said, I don't get your logic about Swiss being auto scum if he has this mod confirmed info @No Lynch. Look at Swiss' (iirc) miller role in OS' game, I think it was FF6. Town miller with mod confirmed info about something or whatever... but still town. Your basis for your argument seems either about leaning too hard on your townDietz read or leaning really hard on role speculation.

Oh and @Kuz about Bleck Mang being unreadable, this hydra is probz the EASIEST hydra to read in DGames by far since it's obvious when Gorf is posting and it's obvious when J is posting lol.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote: Orbo

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

@No Lynch, @Kuz, what's your take on this?

K. Miller claim. I was gonna come in here and wonder why we're simply letting Dietz slip by because of the miller claim. Ultimately that shiz is null, the fact that he comes up with a guilty... Hell, it seems fishy that somebody who's played two games can think of breadcrumbing a miller claim... But maybe you guys think that's speculation and are still stuck on Dietztown. Seriously, he is the most informative lynch at this point. I don't know if I believe Swiss, but hey if he's lying he's scum so whatever. His flip will, BY FAR, have the most information behind it... Immensely... So like I said before Unvote Vote: JDietz.

 

[No Lynch]

@No Lynch. Look at Swiss' (iirc) miller role in OS' game, I think it was FF6. Town miller with mod confirmed info about something or whatever... but still town. Your basis for your argument seems either about leaning too hard on your townDietz read or leaning really hard on role speculation.

Swiss is 100% scum if he has mod info that there is no cop and that there is an indy. I would put my life on that. You'll have to remind me what info he had in FF6. It's rare that town every gets information like that. I've argued against others and with myself so many times. Those claiming to have information like this always turn out to be scum.

-MK in FF6
-Kuz in Celeb
-X1 in Villians
-Nabe in superheros

are what come to mind.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I had mod confirmed info as town in Super Mario RPG, my role was literally informed townie.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod is it intentional that there is no Game Specific section in the OP? If not, are there any roles that are confirmed not in the game?

I don't like Red Ruy's Mr. Perfect Townie-esque view on this claim of Swiss'. It's almost too mechanical; he's reminding me of Gheb in Dissidia. That, adding on to the fact that he really DID make a total 180 as far as his read goes, irks the living SHIZ out of me. That being said, I don't get your logic about Swiss being auto scum if he has this mod confirmed info @No Lynch. Look at Swiss' (iirc) miller role in OS' game, I think it was FF6. Town miller with mod confirmed info about something or whatever... but still town. Your basis for your argument seems either about leaning too hard on your townDietz read or leaning really hard on role speculation.

Oh and @Kuz about Bleck Mang being unreadable, this hydra is probz the EASIEST hydra to read in DGames by far since it's obvious when Gorf is posting and it's obvious when J is posting lol.

I thought he was telling the truth, I don't see why he would try a third gambit again.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Celebrity Mafia.

Town or mafia here?

 

[No Lynch]

This doesn't really matter because Swiss' is fake. He made it up to fit the situation. You'd be dumb not to see that so we are just going to stop talking about that.

 

[No Lynch]

The more I look at this - the more I hate you. The use of 'thingy'..you know what a QT is. You have one - two if I'm right. Why feign ignorance, stupideness over a fact known to you.

Also I partly remove my RR aggressiveness as I didn't see his first response - I was busy asking for CV in LoL.

I actually agree with this. Gotta see what Soupa thinks.

@gord- his claim matches up with his play to me.
@gord- what is with your connenction to dabuz?

 

[th3kuzinator]

He was town there. I don't really care about how this effects Swiss' alignment. In fact, I really just don't care about Swiss at all at this point. Take his ego away by not even giving him the satisfaction of your response and just ignore him. Trying to play games with him will only lead to more distraction and WIFOM that Swiss will try and use to push his own agenda. And he'll do it too.

He's probably lying. We aren't lynch Dietz. Let's lynch Orbo.

 

[July]

OK - without outing everything. This is not a gambit.

I have it mod confirmed there is no [to find scum] cop and that there is an indie.

Not a gambit.

Lynch Dietz, ffs.

>mfw someone claims cop as a counter gambit...just don't

Celebrity Mafia.

O_O

His play here is is very reminiscent of D1 Celeb with JDietz filling the role of Cello. Except Cello was a really strong player...JDeitz is a noob and I don't understand why Swiss is so sure that JDietz is scum to pull this gambit.

If Swiss is telling the truth, lynch Deitz

if there is a cop, CC right now!

we'll get 1 scum for sure in either scenario.

This is the worst possible suggestion you could have made in light of Swiss' information. Especially because this doesn't even prove that Swiss is scum, it just proves he really, really, really wants JDietz dead.

He was town there. I don't really care about how this effects Swiss' alignment. In fact, I really just don't care about Swiss at all at this point. Take his ego away by not even giving him the satisfaction of your response and just ignore him. Trying to play games with him will only lead to more distraction and WIFOM that Swiss will try and use to push his own agenda. And he'll do it too.

He's probably lying. We aren't lynch Dietz. Let's lynch Orbo.

Why Orbo? Vote RR. He was scummy before this Swiss gambit and this only amplified his scummy nature by trying to get the cop to cc.

 

[No Lynch]

July & Gorf what is your current read on Orbo?

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

@gord- his claim matches up with his play to me.
@gord- what is with your connenction to dabuz?

Okay maybe... But is it really sensible for JDietz, who's played two games on a site he claims to be really bad iirc, to have thought of breadcrumbing his role? That's the thing that's bugging me.

Oh and idk you should totes fill me in on this connection.

@Ninja I don't like his play and cant expound cuz comp will die

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@July: I would immediately declare a vig/lynch on Swiss if we went through with that and Jay flipped town.

If Swiss flipped town, he ruined town by trying to lie like that.

That is why I was perfectly fine with a Cop claim, because if he lied he would get Chibo status like he died inb Moderator mafia.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why not Orbo? Even after NL explained to his face that Swiss was gambiting by showing where Swiss slipped, he still chose to keep his options open. He says he sees NL's point and then even says that he's not saying that he believes it but he wants to keep the option of it being true open so he can fish for a cop claim. His whole attitude toward this thing reeks. Not to mention the entire game he's been playing the definition of safe. Only coming in every so often to give unsubstantiated town reads on powerful players. He's purposefully not getting his hands dirty and whereas I accused Dietz of the same thing early game, at least Dietz was being blatantly obvious that he was waffling between people. Orbo is trying to be subtle about it but its been glaring me in the face for awhile.

Not sure how I feel about July telling me to vote RR.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And whereas RR blatantly told the cop to CC (something I don't think scum would be the first one to suggest), Orbo just kind of rode RR's sentiments. If anything RR's reaction, though gross, shows that he isn't worried about what other people think about him. He's not being subtle.

Orbo is.