Shining Force II Mafia || Game Over! Who lived happily ever after?

[~Bleck Mang~]

>____ <

I know you like stuff like this because it means we have less headaches but you know I don't like playing dirty. >.<

 

[Rockin]

Rockin what do you make of dietz' claim?
Also what is your claim?
Also do you and dietz have a restriction to use "lol" ....

I'm really indifferent about it. Can't do much witha miller claim except either 'believe it or don't.

Not planning to claim. There isn't much of a reason, and I would appriciate it if Jdietz doesn't tell.

Nah, we don't have a 'lol' restriction.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

So wait Rockin, you told Ditzy your claim? o_o"

What made you do that if you were considering possibly lynching him iirc?

 

[No Lynch]

@J: I don't, I just can't help but to notice it.

@Rockin: Wait you told jdietz you role, why?????

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Lol, ninja'ing Zen about spazzing about Rockin claiming to Ditzy. I feel accomplished. 8)

 

[Rockin]

So wait Rockin, you told Ditzy your claim? o_o"

What made you do that if you were considering possibly lynching him iirc?

@J: I don't, I just can't help but to notice it.

@Rockin: Wait you told jdietz you role, why?????

No, I didn't tell him my role. Just my nameclaim (when I think of people wanting me to claim, I think of both the name and the role)

In either case, I would not like to claim either role.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

...........

._.

Well that was a relief almost but kind of. I guess we just learned different meanings to what claiming means. I usually think of full-claiming everything together.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Zen, what is your read on Rockin?

 

[No Lynch]

Umm null to town.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy?

 

[No Lynch]

The way he reacted to the neighbor claim seemed like townie neighbor to me. I wouldn't place any money on him being town though. He's more in the null for the most part.

 

[No Lynch]

I'm really indifferent about it. Can't do much witha miller claim except either 'believe it or don't.

Not planning to claim. There isn't much of a reason, and I would appriciate it if Jdietz doesn't tell.

Nah, we don't have a 'lol' restriction.

So he is still town to you, yes?

Do you realize how many posts you answer by sitting on the fence?

 

[vanderzant]

Tell me you're kidding.

I have yet to determine whether this actually happened, or if it's just a bad joke.

However, any further talks about this game on Skype, to whatever length, will be met with the swift modkill of any and all players involved. This is your last warning.

This includes players who have private communication (don't see why it wouldn't be). All forms of communication are to be logged appropriately, and failing to do so will be treated like any other case of outside communication.

 

[No Lynch]

No Lynch 231
~Bleck Mang~ 154
Swiss 124
Red Ryu 122
Jdietz43 100
July 17

th3kuzinator 93
Ryker 62
Rockin 29
Dark Horse 39

vanderzant 27
Orboknown 21
dabuz 7
felipe_9595 54

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The reason I retracted my pressure on Jay is because of this post.

@Kuz: Your thoughts on my posts are totally valid. I was in fact actually trying to leave myself options after people asked me questions, I tried pretty hard to lay low and be ambiguous after NL got done talking to me actually. (you could say he put the fear of god in me lol, but that's totes not true anymore since by now I see him as completely townie)

I got given a non-vanilla role that I have NO idea what to do as, straight up. And I didn't want to screw over the entire town just because I didn't really know what I myself was supposed to be doing yet so I just shot for the low bar and tried to be constructive where I knew I def. could and just passive when I didn't know. I'm not a role that we directly need thank goodness, but I do know I've got the capability to mess us up hard if I'm not thinking about stuff.

I figured the best way for me to help was just give my honest opinions and waffle them some so no one took them too serious. That way mafia doesn't care about me, and the people who actually know what they're doing right now don't get pulled off track. But I guess that backfired some because now people are paying attention to the fact I was doing that. I've been looking at wikis a lot to try and figure out what I should be doing, but the hard and fast rules I could figure out were just not to say absolutely nothing and don't warpath everyone in sight for no reason either.

I've got a neighbor, but I've been hesitant to tell or ask him all that much, though I'm starting to think it might just be a good idea to just stop being cautious and start straight up asking for advice. They want to know my role to help me but idk if just spilling the beans up front is a good idea. I think I'm gonna go for it if no one else screams to me it'd be a terrible choice for us. Chances are he's townie based on both my own views of his posts and just straight statistics

Good idea? Bad idea?

He claimed he was not a VT, so if he claimed VT I would have lynched him. If he claimed Doc, Cop, JoaT, Santa, or anything of the sort, I would have ignored the claim and lynched him. He claimed to have a non vanilla role town didn't need but could mess up town if he messed something up, drawing an investigation.

His crumb of miller is a refernce to a Wisconsin Beer after the Baseball team of the state, the Milwaukee Brewers.

Milwaukee is, miller town.

It matches up with his thought process of location of where him and me live in addition to the thought process when he hinted he wasn't a VT at first.

 

[No Lynch]

Ok but you're still ignoring my question jerk.

 

[vanderzant]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (8):
dabuz (3): No Lynch, Jdietz43, Bleck Mang
Jdietz43 (2): Swiss, Ryker,
Swiss (1): Dark Horse,
felipe_9595 (1): Rockin

No Lynch Target (1): felipe_9595


Not Voting (5):
dabuz
July
Red Ryu
th3kuzinator
Orboknown

 

[Rockin]

So he is still town to you, yes?

Do you realize how many posts you answer by sitting on the fence?

Yes, he is.

I don't really keep track with how many posts I've made in general, but why do you think I'm fence sitting?

 

[No Lynch]

Because every time someone asks you for a stance you say something like "im indifferent" or something that isn't taking a clear side on the issue.

 

[Rockin]

Because every time someone asks you for a stance you say something like "im indifferent" or something that isn't taking a clear side on the issue.

Well I did

Most of the people you, and a few others asked me if _____________ was town or scum, I said that those people were either null or town. It's not my fault I don't see anything scummy about them. You or someone asked me if I support a lynch on DH, I said 'no' cause, I thought they were just being more dumb then scum.

I've already gave out my lists of who I want lynched. I'm sorry if it's not some of the ones that's actually in the spotlight, but those people I've listed should be lynched.

Unvote Vote: Dabuz

 

[No Lynch]

50% of the posts are from the top three posters. 20% from myself. Going to stop posting until Friday (Soup will still be posting). I'm kind of eager for a lynch. Most of the active posters seem town to me. Hence why we've been going after the inactives because they are probably scum. It would be kind of odd that the newer players all got scum but hey.

Right now we would be willing to lynch dabuz if he doesn't shape up.
We'd take a Ryu lynch. He's just so strange this game.
Felipe would be a fine lynch, but I know no one else wants to except Rockin.
I think the best lynch for today is probably DH. If you guys decide to lynch before Friday, I'd hope youd go that direction.

I think that's all I have. Late

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Why did you change your vote to dabuz, Rockin? o.e

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I very much dislike how all the sudden your read on dietz is changing after I voted him. I hope soupa sees this as well. The only reason why I'm not voting you is because I need his OK. Swiss' case added nothing to the dietz issue. It's the same stuff that we've been debating over. You claiming that to be your reason for now wanting him to claim is lame. You've been claiming you have this big case on Swiss for a while now. I don't see at all why you're now claiming that you suddenly can't read dietz anymore and it's keeping you back from making your case on Swiss.

What was the point of your #1004? I want to know what you were looking for and if you got it from his response.

Swiss did add to this.

He fixed one thing that made me think he was scum, him being incredibly vague and unclear on his thought process. I can't tell why he got a town read on Ryker, why Kuz scum can from a mispelling, why he did a bad gambit to get him to play along with a fake neighbor claim.

I want him to claim because of the above post I just outlined, I reread his initial claim after I finish rereading Swiss to where he showed his thought process.

Swiss showing why he thought Jay was scum was pro town to me. He wasn't being vague, he was outlining the problem and showing exactly the points to why it was bad. And he was right, people were writing him off too much.

Then I reread the initial post, thought there is a chance he was scum and asked for a claim to confirm if his thought process matched up. What changed was I changed my read on Swiss, and I reaffirmed my town read on Jay.

The question in my #1004 affirms me a scum read on Bleck Mang, sucking up to the three power players, Kuz, Ryker, Swiss, then saying they suspected everyone else and willing to kill them. I'm almost entirely sure they have listed more than half of the player roaster as scum picks and have been willing to push these directions. I'm rereading them to see whom they actually pushed over hopping on wagons.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Sucking up to power players? Haven't I been pushing Kuzi and was one of the first to express discontent with that slot?

Where did we say we suspected everyone else that wasn't those three because that is not the case at all.

 

[Detective Sherlock Hound]

Point stands your very open ended on lynches and I dislike that. Your list of not lynchables is very small.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I think that's because me and Gorf's lynch pools are different. Lemme double check something.

 

[Rockin]

Why did you change your vote to dabuz, Rockin? o.e

Dabuz is one of my scum picks (though he's the least of the three I really want lynched). I really want a Felipe lynch, but it doesn't seem like I'll be getting that at all, so I'm moving my vote down to Dabuz, since that's where it seems to be going at.

 

[Detective Sherlock Hound]

I think that's because me and Gorf's lynch pools are different. Lemme double check something.

Ok.

I'm gonna get every stance you made this game later.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Point stands your very open ended on lynches and I dislike that. Your list of not lynchables is very small.

Ok.

I'm gonna get every stance you made this game later.

Derp Derp.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

@Rockin: I just double checked a post you made and okay it makes sense. i thought for some reason you had dabuz as town but then saw you grouped him with Orbo.

My town reads.

Nah but seriously Swiss, July and Ryker are cool in my book for now. Kuzi is too but J doesn't think so and he's being a little ***** about it so yea.

Gorf. >=[

Let me fix things then.

Gorf would like dead - RR/Ditzy/Dabuz
J would like dead - RR/Kuzi/Orbo/Rockin

So in reality we have about 6 scum-reads together which does seem like a lot but yeah.....actually it does look like we have our hands in different pies but I guess it's hard to explain when we have such different reads and we are a hydra sharing one account. We are pretty much fine with the rest of the cast for toDay's sake though a lot of people are just inactive/null/town reads.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Good,

Tell me about the inactive, Felipe, Dabuz, and Orboknown. Even if they haven't posted much, tell me what you think of them as little as you can.

This is post 1004 by the by. Sent me on a goose chase. =P

Also can I ask why you left out July's name if you were counting on suck-ups? Gorf for some reason is absolutely gaga for her this game and I thought it'd be opposite but what do.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

July isn't as much of a presence as Ryker, Kuz, or Swiss, but she is very good. It's mostly the more walls over more shorter ones.

 

[July]

July gets her own separate post haha.

July, I am gonna stop this exchanging walls thing we have going on (even though we both love it and it's so much fun) because it is clogging up the thread and it seems we have reached an endpoint in our little debate. So I'm going to tl;dr it for summary sakes.

-July finds Bleck's beginning game to be showing of more scummy intent then towny intent
-July finds Bleck's play better than it was in the beginning and better enough to make her waver in her full-strong out scum-read on Bleck. However, Bleck still remains her #1 scum-pick.
-Bleck counters July's points however July still confronts her offense as to the major reason why she has Bleck as scum is due to his early game play that he cannot change that fact and so he submits to this point because there is nothing he can really do about it.
-Bleck combined has a null-lean town read on July after this argument.
-Bleck feels July's attack on them is a bit tunnely and they both agree that it sometimes just happens that way haha.

Anything I should add July? =p

Also to talk about your RR post: It feels like the majority of your reasoning revolves around meta. Is that really the selling point for you on RRscum? (not saying that I disagree with you there but just for clarity sake. xD)

I'd say that's a fair summary of our interactions.

The RR post: The first paragraph was meant to summarize/restate all the reasons OTHER than meta that I suspect RR, which I elaborated on in other posts as well (I remember Bleck Meng posting them @Kuz), but meta was the reason for my unvote and decreased pressure on him so I could see if he reacted like I would expect him to as scum, which he did.

I assumed you're lynching me based on my opinion with Kuz, as well as you (J at least) feeling that I'm lurking. Is there something else that is making you think I'm scummy? (also, July has mentioned that she's willing to have me lynched (which I'm also curious why), but has said she'll look into that small case I have with Kuz that makes it seem suspicious to you).

Like I said, you are not a scum read and I'm not going to push your lynch, but you are pretty null for me and if its your lynch or Swiss/JDietz, I'd prefer your lynch. I would prefer an RR lynch over yourself.

Also July, stop the meta.

Go to Adventure time and Higurashi, I don't play inactive scum every game.

I didn't say you play inactive, I know that's not a scum tell for you. I said that here:

@No Lynch: I am aware that his meta is slightly different from that which he demonstrated in Britches and Hose. I also know from being scum with him right after that in Walgreens, that one thing that remained consistent despite him being more proactive was that he is much less likely to follow up unless there is pressure mounted on him or a legitimate threat of lynch. I’ve been waiting to see if he actually followed up with Part 2 of his case or whether, with a lack of pressure on him to produce more content/show town intent, he would just ride with what he had. I thought it was telling that right after Part 1 of his Swiss case was posted, his first thought wasn’t to see what people thought or if they supported it, it was to try and get JDietz to now view him as town:

What I was looking at was your reaction to pressure, or rather, a lack thereof. You were all for giving reads and making cases when the pressure was on you, but once the pressure was off the impetus to finish your case or provide reads fell through because your head was no longer on the chopping block.

And, like I said early, meta is just the reason for my unvote and reaction testing you; I have suspicions established from before that on you which still stand.

Entire Swiss/Ryker gambit thing is null, both on Swiss's part and for those reacting.

@July how the tit could you stand to write ALL THOSE WALLS?

Lol because it's easiest. I write in a stream of consciousness style which results in walls, and I don't have the motivation to try and break them up because I have too much crap to do for class atm. So walls are what happen for now, maybe less so during Spring Break. Maybe.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also conflicting hydra partners are no good.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Also conflicting hydra partners are no good.

Well a bit late for that advice isn't it? We aren't conflicting in play really it's just we are having different reads this game which makes things more.....interesting. It's like debating yourself but the yourself talks back to ya.

We are both still seeming to have fun (well I certainly am) because I am finally learning how Gorf's mind works and he is a really smart duder. It's just why we can't have similar reads I don't know. We just can't see eye to eye on most. We hope to remedy this soon.

I also chuckled a bit when you said "July is not a presence" and them BAM! she posts. However, I do have to say July is a presence this game in a different sense where people seem to have an opinion of her and they all seem positive.

@July: Keep posting walls. =3

 

[felipe_9595]

Sorry guys for the massive inactivity. Aside from the game school began yestewrday and i have been massively busy. I should be back this weekend. And i can read at night too.

Btw, i was voting No Lynch at the begining of the game, no no lynch target.

Unvote

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Going to stop posting until Saturday (Gorf will still be posting).

I'm actually going to follow this trend because I need to be reading more than posting because I feel I am hogging a bit too much of the limelight and others need to post their opinons and actually do stuff. Gorf will still be around but I'm going till about Saturday evening I should believe for this game. Need a breather but yeah.

Cya!

 

[July]

July so you still think Ryu is scum? Did you at the time of your unvote think he was scum still? Or did you actually see him as townie at that point?

Yes I do and yes I did at the time of the unvote.

My orginal plan was to tell Rockin I was Miller in neighbor chat so I could get advice from him, but everyone told me it was a terribad idea so I ended up not doing so and just hoping it would be good enough later

Who is everyone?

@RR: In your #1103, you say that Bleck Mang is a scum read. How long have you been suspicious of them?

@Bleck Mang: It seems the only common scum pick between J and Gord is RR. Vote RR with me?

Vote: Red Ryu

@RR's #1114: In Celeb Mafia, J/Zen as Axel always had conflicting reads and were town. It's null, but it does encourage you to look more at intent rather than reads/actions when their reads don't match.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR: In your #1103, you say that Bleck Mang is a scum read. How long have you been suspicious of them?

When I noticed their large amount of scum picks in comparison to people they wouldn't lynch over the course of the game.

@RR's #1114: In Celeb Mafia, J/Zen as Axel always had conflicting reads and were town. It's null, but it does encourage you to look more at intent rather than reads/actions when their reads don't match.

It's less about the conflict and more about the sheer amount of picks they are projecting. This is why I asked the inactive question because even down to that people have some that are willing to not lynch, I pretty much got a they all can die. That is the impression their 1006.

Felipe I don't care about. I'd rather have him replaced but all in all disposable. Orbo's on the same boat if he keeps up his play and doesn't get current. Dabuz I legitimately don't like; he's not putting his head out there as far as scumhunting goes. ALL I've seen em do is answer questions. Sure, he had a readslist, and sure he said he was weary of July tunneling my slot, but I've read through all of his posts (which I'm sure is under 10) and he's really done almost nothing. I'm cool with any of these lynches I guess, but I'd prefer them as vigbait and lynch Dietz. Or DH. Or you.

Gorf outright admits he would lynch.

Felipe, Orbo, Dabuz, DH, myself, Deitz.

Throw in what J said, Kuz and Rockin.

That's eight people they would want dead an be willing to lynch. That's my issue.

 

[Dabuz]

I'm on the fence about claiming atm, NL is making himself look seriously bad all of a sudden and I don't know what's going on anymore, and you're doing cartwheels too. Plus I'm not sure if Swiss is going to be evicted etc. etc. I may claim shortly if it comes to it. (but maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing to just be done with the game if it's going to play like this)

Why does NL looks bad to you?

I'm Elric the Miller, neighbors with Rockin

That should put a looooot of my gameplay in context for those who didn't catch my hints

Also second question, why didn't you claim miller when the game started?

Hmmm.

Jay, depsite how I hate how Swiss went about this, heck I hated him claiming he was your neighbor since that accomplishes nothing read wise, how the hell is a new player suppose to know to go along with that?

I think you should full claim.

This may change my read on you because...the reason I am hesitant to post Part 2 on Swiss, is because I can see what he is saying about your play.

Your playing a lot to not knowing much, and after two games, even I knew something of how the game worked.

But how your reacting to this whole thing, something about it when reading Swiss' case, I can see that something could be off in regards to reads. I think I need to scrap my Swiss wagon for a second to see if I am legit wrong here. Something, even more so when I consider what Ryker said about how you posted your quickness to call Swiss scum for that, I think you full claiming is needed at this point.

I can defiantly see a majority wanting you dead at this point, and my read, along with theirs can change depending on it.

Swiss may have gambitted that, but I think it has merit to you claiming, even if it is early.

I think you should Jay.

The bolded part bothers me in this post. Looks like role-fishing to me, Jdietz isn't at L-2 yet so asking for a claim is really scummy.

Also, has your opinion on Swiss changed or do you still think he is scum?

The third to last sentence has a very...helpful tone to it. It reads to me that is RR telling Jdietz he can get townie points for claiming.

Very much so and still am Swiss.

So, Swiss, going to reconsider Jay for a bit, mostly due to the case you posted, it was the last thing on my part 2 and it made me reconsider it a bit thinking it all over.

I can see the thought process, but still needs answering for if it is his noobscum over his newtown. It's not an easy tell for me at this point, even maybe me knowing him a bit has made me think he is more likely not lying to me here.

So considering this, Where would you look if he flipped scum. I have a good idea, but let's hear what you have to say Swiss.

(Bolded part) I forget where I saw this tactic earlier, but the bolded part is RR not wanting to be the first to place his opinions. Thats TOO safe, RR is TOO concerned about being the first to post any opinions here.

Difference, he lied there.

Claiming informed miller is perfectly legitimate.

Depends on the crumb, I want to see where exactly he crumbed it.

Informed miller seems like such an odd role, don't you think? Isn't the point of miller to be the player not knowing he is a miller?

Only found out what bread-crumbing was at that point while looking for mafia info, thought it would be a good idea to try considering my role (and the Miller pun was waaaay too good)

Even if I had known what it was sooner I doubt I would have had the balls to do it before Kuz pulled me out of waffle-mode, I was scared to do anything that meant anything period since it meant town would be more likely to pay attention to me and get a false positive

I can't find the post, but earlier you stated that you weren't unsure of what to do with your role. You also stated that bread-crumbing seemed like a good idea with a miller? Make up your mind! *Rage*

I'd support Dabuz pressure with how nonsensical his questionnaire has been.

Will not support Deitz lynch.

RR, do you think I am scum? If so, why?

Are you confident in Dietz town? If so, why?

Pretty much you three were the backup list since I have town or no read on the rest of the people playing this game, and you three were the least helpful of the nulls

1) You wish scum. You two are the ones I have pegged most, I'm not about to spell it out for you if you haven't figured it out already.

2)
@Mod: Is that legal? I thought we weren't supposed to talk about the mafia game to each other anywhere but in the thread unless you gave us a quick topic thingy to talk in

But I don't even believe you didn't... lol

It would certainly explain the fact that you and Ryker seem to be on the same page without talking in thread

Also, if anything I dislike you even more now

(what the other's ninja'd)

Yeah, I'm sure I will lol, but I want to make sure it's not just the people I'm most suspicious of baiting me


Swiss: This isn't about you being scum. This is about you being a bad player.

These 4 posts seem...contradictory. First post says you only have town or null reads. Second post accuses Swiss and Ryker of scum. Third post just states a dislike, kind of a step down from accusing someone of scummery. Fourth post literally says the opposite of the Second post. Unless I misinterpreted that second post, Dietz is now leaking out scum to me.

RR, either you're scum game really is this bad or you're actually regressing as a player.

What about RR's play seems scummy to you?

@Rockin: Yeah we still think DH is scum. Why do you ask?
@dabuz why you use my color yo

I like making my posts in different colors each time so the thread looks pretty~~~~ <3<3<3<3 ^.^ ^.^ ^.^ ^.^

Well I did

Most of the people you, and a few others asked me if _____________ was town or scum, I said that those people were either null or town. It's not my fault I don't see anything scummy about them. You or someone asked me if I support a lynch on DH, I said 'no' cause, I thought they were just being more dumb then scum.

I've already gave out my lists of who I want lynched. I'm sorry if it's not some of the ones that's actually in the spotlight, but those people I've listed should be lynched.

Unvote Vote: Dabuz

Dabuz is one of my scum picks (though he's the least of the three I really want lynched). I really want a Felipe lynch, but it doesn't seem like I'll be getting that at all, so I'm moving my vote down to Dabuz, since that's where it seems to be going at.

Can you find a previous post where you stated your scum picks? I don't remember you mentioning anything about it earlier, especially adressing suspicion of me.