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[Dabuz]

Just realized my sig isn't showing. *Posts so people can see my beautiful sig*

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It doesn't show up in DGames.

 

[Dabuz]

Oh. T________________T

 

[Rockin]

Can you find a previous post where you stated your scum picks? I don't remember you mentioning anything about it earlier, especially adressing suspicion of me.

I guess I can't blame ya too much for missing it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14141067&postcount=867

 

[Dabuz]

Ok, thanks.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The bolded part bothers me in this post. Looks like role-fishing to me, Jdietz isn't at L-2 yet so asking for a claim is really scummy.

Also, has your opinion on Swiss changed or do you still think he is scum?

The third to last sentence has a very...helpful tone to it. It reads to me that is RR telling Jdietz he can get townie points for claiming.

I was fishing, but it was due to the bolded that he posted before I pointed out. If it matched up, I could see his thought process. If it didn't match up, he is scum, it did so I trusted him.

Swiss changed when I saw him elaborate on his reasons to find Jay scummy, the interaction reads TvT to me now with him and Jay.

Last comment, I doubted my town read after reading Swiss more and see I could trust him. I just reaffirmed it.

(Bolded part) I forget where I saw this tactic earlier, but the bolded part is RR not wanting to be the first to place his opinions. Thats TOO safe, RR is TOO concerned about being the first to post any opinions here.

I wanted his unspoiled answer, he fully admitted he doesn't know where to look as much if Jay were to flip town, that is something I noted. Where to look if he flipped scum as well, gives me an idea of his reads for scum and even some minor reasoning with it.

Though I will say this is valid on me. Though I am not concerned with not being first to post my opinions, I'm fully willing to get them out there if need be.

Informed miller seems like such an odd role, don't you think? Isn't the point of miller to be the player not knowing he is a miller?

It is more common from my experience to see uninformed millers, this is true. But I have also seen informed millers as well.

It's not that simple as purpose, because ultimately that is up to the mod not the players playing.

RR, do you think I am scum? If so, why?

It's your early question, I don't see the intent clearly or where you would go with them. Even then, you left some rather, unfilled posts for others later that were one word responses.

I wasn't too fond of them when you were posting and it wasn't really content.

 

[Jdietz43]

Who is everyone?

Whoever was speaking to me at the time I asked. (I'll have to look back to see)

Why does NL looks bad to you?
He was flipping stances, posting weird things, and changing his vote to me after being the most staunch defender of my township. Turns out it seems this was some ploy or other, I don't think it much at all anymore.



These 4 posts seem...contradictory. First post says you only have town or null reads. Second post accuses Swiss and Ryker of scum. Third post just states a dislike, kind of a step down from accusing someone of scummery. Fourth post literally says the opposite of the Second post. Unless I misinterpreted that second post, Dietz is now leaking out scum to me.

That first post was you asking right after I said Swiss and Ryker were my picks and you asked why the other three. Bad player means dirty player/rulebreaker.

If anything I've learned from this Dabuz is that you need to pay attention. Neither of these things should have been hard to figure out.

 

[Jdietz43]

@July: NL, DH, and Kuz = everyone

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lolwut?? Why are people irked about this? It's been plainly obvious that I think Swiss and Ryker are the most scummy since quite awhile ago. Of course I'm going to refuse them if they ask me to do something that town already told me was a terrible idea and not to do quite awhile ago. It's no secret if that's what you think. Especially after this last "gambit" of his.


And I'm legit waiting on a mod decision. Claiming to have cheated to ruffle the feathers of another player seems like dirty pool at it's finest. I mad. (a large part of me also thinks this only became a "gambit" after he realized the implications of what he said were)




I'm on the fence about claiming atm, NL is making himself look seriously bad all of a sudden and I don't know what's going on anymore, and you're doing cartwheels too. Plus I'm not sure if Swiss is going to be evicted etc. etc. I may claim shortly if it comes to it. (but maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing to just be done with the game if it's going to play like this)

Do you need help? I can find a nice large rock to bash your brains in with.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, I'm sure I will lol, but I want to make sure it's not just the people I'm most suspicious of baiting me


Swiss: This isn't about you being scum. This is about you being a bad player.

Okay, that line HAD to have been fed to him.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Tell me you're kidding.

Smooth Vandz. Real ****ing smooth.

I'll take it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I have yet to determine whether this actually happened, or if it's just a bad joke.

However, any further talks about this game on Skype, to whatever length, will be met with the swift modkill of any and all players involved. This is your last warning.

This includes players who have private communication (don't see why it wouldn't be). All forms of communication are to be logged appropriately, and failing to do so will be treated like any other case of outside communication.

You're high if you think that communication should be stifled if it's already allowed. It's not like you have any way to enforce it in any case.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Skimmed very lightly everything past that. I didn't sleep last night, so I'm gonna chill out with EE while my food cooks then go to sleep.

Tell me if I missed something. Still say Ditz scum.

 

[Swiss]

Vanz2gud

Mfw Dietz gets town reads from a claim in the SAME post that includes his gambit. And a miller claim at that.

Put RR as nulltown not town. Dabuz how did you read scum into the post I called him town for?

 

[vanderzant]

Going to be checking activity fairly soon.

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (8):
dabuz (4): No Lynch, Jdietz43, Bleck Mang, Rockin
Jdietz43 (2): Swiss, Ryker,
Swiss (1): Dark Horse
Red Ryu (1): July

Not Voting (5):
dabuz
Red Ryu
th3kuzinator
Orboknown
felipe_9595

 

[Swiss]

I
@Mod: Is that legal? I thought we weren't supposed to talk about the mafia game to each other anywhere but in the thread unless you gave us a quick topic thingy to talk in

The more I look at this - the more I hate you. The use of 'thingy'..you know what a QT is. You have one - two if I'm right. Why feign ignorance, stupideness over a fact known to you.

Also I partly remove my RR aggressiveness as I didn't see his first response - I was busy asking for CV in LoL.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss, what do you think about his crumbs and how he went about the miller claim with his initial post in mind?

 

[Swiss]

I think it's a gambit.

Is it plausible? Meh.
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it probable? No.

It doesn't take a genius to set up a miller claim beforehand.

We effectively have a cop guilty on Dietz - as well as solid cases showing his scum-intent and play. This is not a lynch we should back away from.

I have bones to pick with several posts made - but will have to do so after work.

 

[Orboknown]

OK, so Jdietz has claimed miller.
Swiss why do we effectively have a cop guilty on him? Did not see anything of the sort while reading.
Rockin, the reason i was being scatterbrained while catching up is because monday/wednesday i have 11.5 hours of school, 8.5 ish of which are classes.

Would consider lynching dabuz if necessary.
UNsure on Rockin, but town lean
black mang am ok with for now,
but unsure as well on NL.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Kuzi, I want your input on Deitz as well at this point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think it's a gambit.

Is it plausible? Meh.
Is it possible? Yes.
Is it probable? No.

It doesn't take a genius to set up a miller claim beforehand.

We effectively have a cop guilty on Dietz - as well as solid cases showing his scum-intent and play. This is not a lynch we should back away from.

I have bones to pick with several posts made - but will have to do so after work.

The bolded is why I can't really see it being fake.

 

[Swiss]

It is not probable due to his play - not what his claim is. I am not talking statistics here.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So his play doesn't match up with how he claimed.

If so, who is coaching him, from reading the full roaster I can think of 8 slots that could do it and 3 I would knock off immediately if he was scum.

Do you think anyone other than Kuz could be coaching him connection wise?

 

[Swiss]

Any of; Me, Ryker, Kuz, Zen, J.

Far less likely to be J from the style. 'Course, he isn't necessarily being coached as this could be his own scum style.

 

[Swiss]

OK, so Jdietz has claimed miller.
Swiss why do we effectively have a cop guilty on him? Did not see anything of the sort while reading.

OK - without outing everything. This is not a gambit.

I have it mod confirmed there is no [to find scum] cop and that there is an indie.

Not a gambit.

Lynch Dietz, ffs.

>mfw someone claims cop as a counter gambit...just don't

 

[Swiss]

If there is no cop - THERE WILL BE NO MILLER.

Is the crux of my case - should have mentioned that.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If Swiss is telling the truth, lynch Deitz

if there is a cop, CC right now!

we'll get 1 scum for sure in either scenario.

 

[Swiss]

Mfw Ryu posts anything.

Cant wait to see Dietz' face when realised how he counter claimed himself.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I never got what Mfw ment.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea yea yea I'm not home so I'll quote this on my hydra when I get home.

K. Miller claim. I was gonna come in here and wonder why we're simply letting Dietz slip by because of the miller claim. Ultimately that shiz is null, the fact that he comes up with a guilty... Hell, it seems fishy that somebody who's played two games can think of breadcrumbing a miller claim... But maybe you guys think that's speculation and are still stuck on Dietztown. Seriously, he is the most informative lynch at this point. I don't know if I believe Swiss, but hey if he's lying he's scum so whatever. His flip will, BY FAR, have the most information behind it... Immensely... So like I said before Unvote Vote: JDietz.

Oh and Ruy what's scummy about having a large amount of people Bleck Mang would be cool with dying? Me and J have some conflicting reads, yea, but I don't see why that's such a big fuss to you bro...

 

[Orboknown]

if there isn't a cop counterclaim by tomorrow morning, i'll throw my vote on Dietz.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Make sure everyone has posted before hammering.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Aka make sure everyone has a chance to CC, if no one does we can assume Swiss is telling the truth and can lynch Jay.

 

[Orboknown]

@Mod-Requesting Vote Count

 

[Orboknown]

just to be sure im not in hammer range

 

[Swiss]

Mfw Ryu.......

 

[Orboknown]

I never got what Mfw ment.

My Face When

 

[No Lynch]

Aka make sure everyone has a chance to CC, if no one does we can assume Swiss is telling the truth and can lynch Jay.

Dammit Swiss. I wasn't supposed to post today.

This is interesting from you Ryu. Why assume that Swiss is telling the truth? Why have a cop cc rather than lynch Swiss to see if he is telling the truth? This is especially true with the fact that you've had such a strong scum read on Swiss and have a town read on dietz. We should be lynching Swiss. At this point he is confirmed for indy. Do you realize how ridiculous sounding it is for a town role to have confirmed information that there is no cop in the game? The only other reason Swiss would claim what he has is if he is in fact cop. I would hope that he wouldn't do something like this if he were _-_

Swiss is confirmed scum at this point and we are lynching him.
A cop should not CC.
If Swiss is revealed to be telling the truth (upon his role flip), we can look into dietz tomorrow.

 

[No Lynch]

Mfw Ryu.......

Town or Scum?

I agree it's the latter. Let's vote him together.

 

[Jdietz43]

You're high if you think that communication should be stifled if it's already allowed. It's not like you have any way to enforce it in any case.

OK - without outing everything. This is not a gambit.

I have it mod confirmed there is no [to find scum] cop and that there is an indie.

Not a gambit.

Lynch Dietz, ffs.

>mfw someone claims cop as a counter gambit...just don't

How is no one concerned that Ryker and Swiss apparently have a line of communication with each other, and don't care what the mod thinks RIGHT before claiming that the mod has given them information to make a gambit with?

Swiss gambit count: 3 and counting
(Ryker blatant non-constructive insult count: 7 billion)