Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Cia]

Falcon ***** me

i practically 0 - death tech chased Scar for 11 straight stocks in our set, but he still beat me

i ****in hate falcon. /endrant

 

[KirbyKaze]

Darc, my love.

<3

Vanz just fux with amazingness then you'll be able to beat Scar.

<3

 

[Stos]

Darc, my love.

<3

Vanz just fux with amazingness then you'll be able to beat Scar.

<3

David..
no homo but i love you.
i heard you went off in the tourney. **** i missed it also your games against Bam ...
O.O

 

[KirbyKaze]

Nothing was recorded because I fail on camera so yeah you'll never see those matches

*shrug*

Nurgle.

 

[SPAWN]

Hooray I can perfectly do it now. I wish I could test this out on a Fox nairing. I'll just have to wait for this weekend.

Also, I can perfectly wd onto the stage 1/3 of the time w/ Sheik. Hooray. :D


Pivoting ftilt is so ridiculously hard. *keeps testing/reading Magus's guide*

 

[KirbyKaze]

Pivot F-tilt is not as good as doing consistent regrab tech chase and ****** people from single grabs because of reaction time homosexuality.

edit: Also, something you should remember to do when testing, is to be able to vary the spot where you're beating the Firefox. Hitting with the disjointed bit is essential.

 

[Teczer0]

Hooray I can perfectly do it now. I wish I could test this out on a Fox nairing. I'll just have to wait for this weekend.

Also, I can perfectly wd onto the stage 1/3 of the time w/ Sheik. Hooray. :D


Pivoting ftilt is so ridiculously hard. *keeps testing/reading Magus's guide*

GO TO SPOC

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I wanna sheeeeeeeik ditto moar

 

[SPAWN]

Tec0: When is that? Lol. Also link to thread plox. We didn't play nearly enough at my tournament.

KK, don't you mean pivot ftilt>grab>**** them with techchase because of reaction time homosexuality? :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

lawl

I guess

:3

 

[Teczer0]

Tec0: When is that? Lol. Also link to thread plox. We didn't play nearly enough at my tournament.

KK, don't you mean pivot ftilt>grab>**** them with techchase because of reaction time homosexuality? :D

SPOC Thread 4/4

gogogogogogogoogogogogo

 

[SPAWN]

I bet you do. But yeah, pivot ftilt looks pretty when you get it.

Just to be clear, perfect waveland onto stage from edge w/ sheik= you got a little bit of a glow to you(for minuscule amount of time) and you don't make that moan/whoosh sound when you land, right?

 

[SPAWN]

I'll talk with Mogwai/Trade/etc. Hopefully we can go. I do love that Wawa's and I haven't been to one in a while. I need a teammate though. You're teaming with Vanz/Reno like usual right?

Browser>Mcfox's

 

[Teczer0]

I'll talk with Mogwai/Trade/etc. Hopefully we can go. I do love that Wawa's and I haven't been to one in a while. I need a teammate though. You're teaming with Vanz/Reno like usual right?

Browser>Mcfox's

I will be teaming with the spammiest of spammers.

=D

 

[SPAWN]

Is that Vanz? /dsmashes outta here

 

[Teczer0]

Is that Vanz? /dsmashes outta here

LOL

Its teh_spamerer

 

[SPAWN]

Oh. XD /fails It was a 50/50 lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just to be clear, perfect waveland onto stage from edge w/ sheik= you got a little bit of a glow to you(for minuscule amount of time) and you don't make that moan/whoosh sound when you land, right?

The glow is essential

The no sound is essential

Distance is pretty much meh

 

[SPAWN]

Then I'm doing it right... 1/2 of the time now!!! By next week I'll have it down pat... hopefully lol.

KK sig is top tier

Also, congrats on that tournament. Way to **** people and stuff.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Hahahahaha

Yeah

I guess

But I couldn't have done it without the love and support of Darc

 

[Cia]

I will be teaming with the spammiest of spammers.

=D

Is that Vanz? /dsmashes outta here

HAHAHAHAHA. i love this post combo

 

[LooksLikePit]

I'm really good at tech chasing, but for some reason when my opponent techs, all I can think of is dsmash. Against the really good people like Zhu, if I jab him when he doesn't tech my dthrow, he rolls somewhere, and I can only follow it less than half of the time.

So my question is: What is the best thing to do against a fast faller who doesn't tech your dthrow?

 

[Deus_Vult]

Is Samus' down throw --> Fsmash/Dash-attack/Nair a guaranteed combo?


Is there anyway to get out of it untouched?

 

[soap]

Is Samus' down throw --> Fsmash/Dash-attack/Nair a guaranteed combo?


Is there anyway to get out of it untouched?

DI away and at high percents they can only ftilt u pretty much....or charge shot

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I'm really good at tech chasing, but for some reason when my opponent techs, all I can think of is dsmash. Against the really good people like Zhu, if I jab him when he doesn't tech my dthrow, he rolls somewhere, and I can only follow it less than half of the time.

So my question is: What is the best thing to do against a fast faller who doesn't tech your dthrow?

If you're out of range of a get up attack, you can just wait for him to roll or get up and grab that. That, or you can just dash attack him.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Frame-wise, there is enough time to Jab to cover the chance they non-tech and still hit the roll perfectly (or at least that's what Europhoria told me M2K does). I think doing so makes it harder than just learning how to react fast but whatever.

On Falco I find it easy sometimes to do the Drephen thing and WD in the direction of their DI but I'm weird like that. It makes the timings for regrab on certain techs easier to hit and I'm pretty sure with boost grab you can still get them if they try to get as far away as possible.

But for an actual answer to your question, U-smash is pretty nasty if you know for fact they will not tech your D-throw. If they DI away, Dash Attack is also awesome.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

Pivoting ftilt is so ridiculously hard. *keeps testing/reading Magus's guide*

Magus wrote a guide? *Do want*

 

[Falcinho]

Is Samus' down throw --> Fsmash/Dash-attack/Nair a guaranteed combo?


Is there anyway to get out of it untouched?

Who gets grabbed by Samus anyway

 

[LooksLikePit]

usually what I do is dthrow>wavedash to follow DI>follow tech>grab

does the jabbing to cover all options work at low percents, like if you grab fox at 0% and dthrow?

 

[soap]

if they dont di well and dont tech i like utilt

 

[KirbyKaze]

usually what I do is dthrow>wavedash to follow DI>follow tech>grab

does the jabbing to cover all options work at low percents, like if you grab fox at 0% and dthrow?

I think the idea is that you just jab at them on the off chance they miss the tech (no WD) and if they tech or whatever there's still enough time to regrab them if you did it right.

But I really don't know about this one because I just react and it seems to serve me fine.

 

[philbobjoe]

So do the IC's really have an advantage over Sheik? It doesn't seem like they would.

 

[KirbyKaze]

In 2005 they did.

I'm not sure who wins but I think it's pretty even overall, probably giving Sheik a slight advantage but I'm not entirely convinced on that one either but that seems to be the consensus with people who play ICs a lot so I'd go with that.

 

[Brookman]

It's more difficult for sheik to seperate the IC's and deal with their CC and wavedash speeds. On the other hand, her needles are fantastic against their recovery. Back throwing nana (should you ever find her alone) can easily make popo a lonely man.

 

[SPAWN]

A single Ice Climber can chaingrab you to like 60 though.

Also, Witching, it's not really a guide as it is those 3 posts in the "We <3 Magus420" thread which I found through you. XD Ironic.

 

[Binx]

Spawn a single Ice Climber can't grab you though =)

I'd say it would be even if Sheik didn't have needles. But because she does have needles, I'll let you in on the secret, camp. Also don't use forward tilts when ICs are below 30%.

 

[soap]

usually what I do is dthrow>wavedash to follow DI>follow tech>grab

does the jabbing to cover all options work at low percents, like if you grab fox at 0% and dthrow?

whenever i do jab nontechs at low percents i just charge an usmash.

i think it's impossible to roll until like 40 even if they are holding a direction

 

[Binx]

I would rather regrab though, opportunity for more damage, I try and keep the tech chase going on as long as possible, around 80% I start going for a dash attack instead of a grab so I can fair and set up for edgeguarding, something mango does is a dair sometimes instead of a fair after a dash attack, its pretty hot.

 

[KirbyKaze]

You only need him at like 50 or 60 to look for d-smash / dash attack fair or whatever to kill.

Tech chasing for too long can be stupid and lose you games.

 

[soap]

I would rather regrab though, opportunity for more damage, I try and keep the tech chase going on as long as possible, around 80% I start going for a dash attack instead of a grab so I can fair and set up for edgeguarding, something mango does is a dair sometimes instead of a fair after a dash attack, its pretty hot.

i personally suck at consistent tech chasing and take the guaranteed damage of a charged usmash when i can get it.

plus u can tech chase that too. they usually cc and it breaks the cc and i sometimes jab again and get another usmash in.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm really good at tech chasing, but for some reason when my opponent techs, all I can think of is dsmash.

Oxymoron?

Or just Drephen in disguise?