ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Peach is hard to outplay. She has so many great setups!
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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Peach has a good dash attack and d-tilt.
jameschen0
Smash Rookie
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As a newbie who had just begun to play Melee, I'd like to ask: What exactly is so bad about Sheik's chain? It has low hitstun, but if it's deployed against a projectile-less laggy character (Ganon comes to mind), are there any particular disadvantages?
john!
Smash Hero
i played sheik vs. a peach today. i found that stuffing her approach with full hop needles works well. constantly applying pressure like that makes her scared to pull a turnip, scared to dsmash... scared to do much at all except run. as a peach main, i find that sheiks who abuse their fast aerials and disjointedness are a huge pain.
sheik's chain is bad because you can jump over it and punish sheik before she can retract it, or even roll next to her and punish. it works well situationally for edgeguards, but that's about it.
sheik's chain is bad because you can jump over it and punish sheik before she can retract it, or even roll next to her and punish. it works well situationally for edgeguards, but that's about it.
I'm really curious what you mean by applying pressure with FH needles.
I can't picture how you can use that as a means to pressure someone.
I can't picture how you can use that as a means to pressure someone.
john!
Smash Hero
i guess "applying pressure" weren't the right words. but that was me agreeing with the person who said that camping peach is generally a good option. you wouldn't be able to needle her from the ground when she approaches with float, so fullhopping and using platforms to needle camp seems like it would be the way to do it.
Oh.
Ok, I can agree with this lol.
Actually, as the peach I don't mind this that much. But needles are a great tool for sheik, pretty hard to argue that lol xD
Ok, I can agree with this lol.
Actually, as the peach I don't mind this that much. But needles are a great tool for sheik, pretty hard to argue that lol xD
It's generally considered a bad move because:
- Huge lag time
- Makes you immobile
- Does not initiate or lead into any combos, nor is it useful as a finisher
However 90% of the time you won't get punished because it has high/weird priority and people rush to punish you too quickly, so in actuality you're like 100% safe every time you use it and that's all any Sheik main should be spamming (/sarcasm).
If you watch Mew2King (M2K) you'll see him occasionally use it to edgeguard Fox and Falco, that's probably its best use. That having been said, you may be the person to find a useful application for it, so don't disregard it too easily.
You can't Dsmash OOS.
Only thing you can do is powershield into Dsmash.
Only thing you can do is powershield into Dsmash.
lmao xD
Its cool you'll get used to it eventually.
Try nair OOS instead. Its provides that like "gtfo" of me effect.
Its cool you'll get used to it eventually.
Try nair OOS instead. Its provides that like "gtfo" of me effect.
ZodiakLucien
Smash Ace
Hi walt. I have no idea why im reading this thread at 5 am haha.
Eccentricities
Smash Rookie
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Nair OoS works wonders. I also like wavedash > ftilt if they're approaching aerially.
Were you a brawl player?
Walt
Smash Ace
LU! Whats happening brother.
btw you still play sf4? My friends are going to start recording and commentating matches and uploading them as a series tonight as it happens. I figure they aren't terrible at sf4 since most of them are guilty gear pros but if you're interested have Vince call me, he has my number. Happening in concord honestly like, 1 mile from where Vince lives. Haven't told him about it since I haven't seen in a long while.
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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I play both games as of now.
Btw guys I have 3 questions:
Which stages are good/bad for Sheik?
How do I fight CF/Peach in general?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQA7vbttZkQ <- I keep spot dodging.
What am I doing wrong?
gm jack
Smash Lord
You're pressing down too quickly. You have to do it slow enough to not spot dodge but no so slowly you just angle your shield.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I need to teach you stuff next time we're both at the same tourney.
I do think I'm a very good teacher.
CanISmash
Smash Lord
whats a good time to f-smash? before anyone say its a bad move I know Sheik players have f-smashed by accident countless times and it ended up setting up some crazy **** **** by accident so it's gotta have its uses.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
Could you guys give my sheik some critique? Mind you this was late night after work but no johns right? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtSaFhXeuDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7dCv3YCULc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtSaFhXeuDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7dCv3YCULc
gm jack
Smash Lord
It can occasionally get stuff, but sheik almost always has a better option, if that makes sense. It mostly seems to work because the opponent (and the sheik) are not expecting it, so they miss the easy punishes/ DI poorly.
soap
Smash Hero
run behind people and fsmash back into them
don't get mad at me if they CC **** it tho....
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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I wanna go to syphers this weekendI need to teach you stuff next time we're both at the same tourney.
I do think I'm a very good teacher.
aahhhh melee *****
BTW Can Sheik duck Falco's lasers?
gm jack
Smash Lord
Depends how high falco shoots lasers, a they can hit a crouching kirby if fired low enough. If they are firing them high, sometimes you can just run under them.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Get super fast at moving onto the edge / lightshield position after comboing Marth so you can do easy edgeguards after your combos and **** him. D-throw Uair (at like 25+) if he DIs behind anywhere but horizontally away. At 75-115ish U-smash KO him under the same circumstances. At 120 you can go back to Uair I think (maybe grab attack a few times if you're unsure).Could you guys give my sheik some critique? Mind you this was late night after work but no johns right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtSaFhXeuDs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7dCv3YCULc
If he's jumping around with Fairs I sometimes just stick my Bair, F-tilt, Nair, Fair or whatever in his general zone and hit him first.
Don't attack when you come down every time. If you can get to safety by just landing, be happy and take it. Don't lag yourself up unnecessarily. Similarly, challenging Marth isn't always a good idea anyway because of sword. Air-dodge and waveland are underrated. Save your jump more often.
Be more effective with your movement. I see you messing up or spacing poorly a lot because you'll mess up a wavedash or not go far enough or whatever. I dunno how much of it is intentional and how much is just messing up but pay more attention to that stuff.
Don't try to shield grab so much. It's Marth and he's spaced a lot of the time (or doing a low aerial, which is like spacing but better). You have to recognize when you can do it and when you can't do it better.
xbombr
Smash Ace
The only reason it ever sets up for anything is because the person you're playing against usually bends over and starts laughing while you gayly skip across the screen doing minimal damage and knockback. This causes them to DI horribly and lets you combo it into stuff.
At least that's my experience.
If they crouch it, you're screwed, so the only time it ever ends well is when they're at like short hop height.
But yeah, overall, I wouldn't use it. F-Tilt or d-smash or something instead, it's much better.
I agree, but feel this is pretty much the case with Sheik in any match against competitively viable characters.
Peach maybe more so than others is tough to approach.
Basically you've got limited options against her in terms of approaching since she's good at punishing you. Your biggest tool in the match up is BAir. BAir doesn't work well as an approach of course, so you're stuck camping for openings. BAir to get her off your jock and get the grabs for d-throw -> aerial when you can. I've had a little success with well timed Ftilts to defend against her approach.
Other things like Dash attack, running grabs, and stuff end up getting dsmashed, so it makes approaching a really tricky business. I actually really enjoy the match up because me and my brother are on about the same skill level. He plays Peach, I play Sheik so I've got some practice with the match up. It's all about zoning and patience since both sides can defend themselves pretty well.
soap
Smash Hero
i try to pressure peach as much I can with spaced aerials and boost grabs
i'd rather pressure her than let her get her turnip float cancel pressure on me
u just gotta like, pay attention...and don't always follow up hits immediately
i'd rather pressure her than let her get her turnip float cancel pressure on me
u just gotta like, pay attention...and don't always follow up hits immediately
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
KK's understanding of this game is wonderful.
Twin_A
Smash Champion
I love you KK.
Thanks :D
Any spacies advice? Or falco I should say.
This^
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
^ I agree with Chival.
Plus KK's just so damn cute.
Smooth Criminal
Plus KK's just so damn cute.
Smooth Criminal
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Jump 4 frames, bair 4 frames, so at least 8.
rpgfighter
Smash Journeyman
When exactly should I use her Usmash?
I know its a good move and all but I just have not seemed to add it in my game. So when are the instances on which I should use it?
I know its a good move and all but I just have not seemed to add it in my game. So when are the instances on which I should use it?