Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik > Peach like 60-40 or something in NTSC. About that.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

any form of advice? also the match-up chart isn't 100% right that's why I didn't check it. I know my basic sheik stuff like if i'm going to die and I have no hope of recovering change needles and switch to zedla to keep them.

when she if flaoting up in the air WTF do I do ? everytime I do anything I get punished unless I camp my nuts off(pichu exp. and it worked fairly well)

 

[KirbyKaze]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10698429&postcount=1123
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10706640&postcount=1131
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10706799&postcount=1133
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10706900&postcount=1135

You should also consider reading the Original Post (OP) of this thread since we've outlined this matchup like 30 times.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

so I bair and needle wd oos to punsih d-smash, WTF why can't everyone be good like sheik? everyone but kirby cause he can go kill himself. but i'll try as pichu some more before I totally say f*** this match-up. I respect sheik players a lot more after playing against peaches

 

[john!]

just play marth against peach lol. if you use him and go ic's on sheik players then you'll hardly ever need pichu, maybe as a surprise pocket character or something.

 

[KirbyKaze]

surprise pocket monster

 

[john!]

now that i think about it, it wouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's been on swf within the past two years

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

sheik is funner than marth and gayer. plus I can't combo as marth I really suck at comboing with someone who isn't basically automatic like falco and sheik adn some small combos as other people like up-tilt to down B

also I think I just got an idea I can't believe i've ever thought of for pichu to fight sheik with if my ideas work sheik won't be able to soldily **** his approach and will become of of a geuss and miss game now with more grabs(pichu).

really if I wanted to take the easy way out I would plank as puff and go sheik at a chance of a low tier ad etc. I'm playing to learn, get better, and have fun as of now winning is totally unimportant till I can firmly say I know my s***.

really pichu does counter anyone but I still think he is pretty amazing vs puff for a bottom tier. if you can get 25% per a stock you have a chance, 60% your doing great, stock per a stock your amazing.

puff can't just **** like marth or sheik or who ever that's why puff is much easier.

my I play to f*** with people's heads mindgames are soooooo fun.

 

[soap]

marth, pichu, ic's. you've got your bases covered

 

[KirbyKaze]

Pichu is such a midn****

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

no sheik not marth i've played as marth for a few months he got boring puff and sheik are way funner. no sheik vs peach ice climbers sehik IF I can't pull off a victory as pichu or come close.

 

[WHA?]

i got some questions

-what to do to avoid fox's shine>wavedash out of it>u-smash
does DIing away help? or DIing toward so that u dont get shined as far?

-whats the best way to get out of falco's pillaring?
my main problem is in the air........ so DI up or left/right?

also,
for fox/falco, when they do their drill>shine on ur shield, do i take action after the shine? (with nair OoS or grab)
i ask because i see ppl actually grab or nair oos after the drill, so is the timing for doing that hard?
or is it just safer to wait for the shine and then take action

here is what teczero said:

- To avoid the shine upsmash from Fox you have to basically SDI the shine away. Its pretty hard to actually avoid it though. Try to SDI it but don't be surprised if you get hit. Its practically a guaranteed combo

Are you asking how to DI the hits? If you are DI the shine either way it doesn't matter they can catch you regardless. For the Dair DI either down and towards or up and away. This gives you the best DI to get away from Falco. Which one you need to use kinda depends on the situation.

tbh on the last one, I'm trying to learn all the tidbits myself. I'm not 100% sure on the what to do what vs what scenario. It largely depends on the falco though.

If falcos does a dair and hits the top of your shield you're able to shield grab them. If they hit your shield with a delayed dair though, you're stuck in your shield and you're pretty much unable to do much. If you know they're going for it though you can kinda WD out if you're fast enough or just roll to avoid the dair. You can also Nair out as well but I'm not sure what scenario is the best to do that in. I'm thinking its good right after the first wave of aerial shine but like I said, I"m not 100% sure.

i posted this cause i thought others would benefit too

 

[Tope]

EVERYONE LIGHT SHIELD AGAINST SILLY SPACIES... they won't know what to do

 

[ChivalRuse]

i've played as marth for a few months he got boring puff and sheik are way funner.

Find 2 things wrong with this picture.

 

[rpgfighter]

When is a good time to use the utilt?

I find myself rarely ever using yet every video and guide I have seen it tells me to use that move a lot.

So... umm yeah. Thanks in advance. Also a lot of freaking VA/MD players in the boards I noticed. We need a biweekly tournament or something...

 

[ChivalRuse]

You probably want to reserve utilt for when you've got someone slightly above you. For example, it's a pretty good choice after dash attack.

A neat gimmick is to use utilt to reach up to low platforms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iDvdTBObZs#t=0m24s

 

[rpgfighter]

Thats very good thank you very much.


Another question. How does Sheik stand in 2v2 competitive play? Do we have to play Sheik any differently? Or do you just play her the same? And in general is she even good in teams because I seem to have a tougher time whenever teams show up.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Nicks]

Thats very good thank you very much.


Another question. How does Sheik stand in 2v2 competitive play? Do we have to play Sheik any differently? Or do you just play her the same? And in general is she even good in teams because I seem to have a tougher time whenever teams show up.

Thanks in advance.

im relatively new to melee so feel free to ignore my advice but im pretty sure sheik is pretty good in teams. Firstly because the best team in the world (Ken and isai) is a sheik/marth team.

She can either be played aggessively or defensively, depending on how your opponents play.
A specific example of why she is good in teams is because her needles are awesome for saving your teammate from being edgeguarded. For an example of this being done just watch any ken + Isai vid hope this helps

Now i have my own question. Why dont pro sheik players transform into zelda to live longer when sheiks recovery wont make it back? especially in doubles when you have a teammate that can fend off your opponents while you transform back?

Thanks

 

[mers]

im relatively new to melee so feel free to ignore my advice but im pretty sure sheik is pretty good in teams. Firstly because the best team in the world (Ken and isai) is a sheik/marth team.

She can either be played aggessively or defensively, depending on how your opponents play.
A specific example of why she is good in teams is because her needles are awesome for saving your teammate from being edgeguarded. For an example of this being done just watch any ken + Isai vid hope this helps

Now i have my own question. Why dont pro sheik players transform into zelda to live longer when sheiks recovery wont make it back? especially in doubles when you have a teammate that can fend off your opponents while you transform back?

Thanks

Ken and Isai were the best team in the world a long long time ago. The metagame has changed dramatically since then. Now, a marth/sheik team would probably do pretty badly.

And pros don't transform because edgeguarding zelda is even easier than sheik, so eventually the result can be dying as zelda if you're killed off the side or top blastzones before you have time to transform back. Then when you transform when you respawn you lose your invincibility, giving your opponent a free combo.

 

[rpgfighter]

Ken and Isai were the best team in the world a long long time ago. The metagame has changed dramatically since then. Now, a marth/sheik team would probably do pretty badly.

And pros don't transform because edgeguarding zelda is even easier than sheik, so eventually the result can be dying as zelda if you're killed off the side or top blastzones before you have time to transform back. Then when you transform when you respawn you lose your invincibility, giving your opponent a free combo.

So a Sheik/Marth team wont work? Darn, thats what we have been trying to for in the past week. I just noticed that Sheik is having a tough time lifting her own weight.

Would Gdorf/Marth work?

 

[painlord k11]

hey so i wanna know what u guys think of vanish combos... hittin them with you up B and then doing **** from that....... cause iv done it so many times just for fun ya i know it's probably horrible most of the time but hey i got like tons of up airs into a back air from it to a gimp haha im trying to develop a more unique shiek style. to many lame shiek's

 

[soap]

vanish combos work from the edge. and on japes. which is an edge

 

[Plairnkk]

yea i vanish combo from the edge allllll the time lol. vanish-->reverse fair is my fav to edgeguard or vanish uair or dair to combo depending

 

[TLMSheikant]

I vanish to reverse fair a lot ^^.

 

[Laudandus]

So a Sheik/Marth team wont work? Darn, thats what we have been trying to for in the past week. I just noticed that Sheik is having a tough time lifting her own weight.

Would Gdorf/Marth work?

Marth is really more the problem, he's not a fantastic teams character.

 

[soap]

yea i vanish combo from the edge allllll the time lol. vanish-->reverse fair is my fav to edgeguard or vanish uair or dair to combo depending

on the left of stadium one time by the mountain i did up b to walljump fair off the cliff

it was pretty silly

 

[iamthemicrowave]

Marth is really more the problem, he's not a fantastic teams character.

lol 09 poster

 

[WHA?]

EVERYONE LIGHT SHIELD AGAINST SILLY SPACIES... they won't know what to do

is there a way to make lightshielding easier?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Don't fully depress the L/R button. You've got to be pretty technical though.

Holding Z also works.

 

[WHA?]

Don't fully depress the L/R button. You've got to be pretty technical though.

Holding Z also works.

lol, its weird doin stuf outta lightshield (wd Oos, shine Oos)

 

[soap]

I think there is more shieldstun associated with the lightshield

 

[TLMSheikant]

is there a way to make lightshielding easier?

Dont fully press the shield button. Its really easy imo. I can alternate between the 2 shields pretty easily. If you can't do it, well you can always roll and leave the button pressed I guess.

 

[Tope]

LS is definitely a lot harder to work with

 

[ChivalRuse]

Sheik has a huge shield. No reason to lightshield really.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo]

Does anyone have any videos or advice to help me learn the UpB Stall?

what i am doing right now is:
Moving away from the stage on the Ledge- Up+B- Down to the ledge.

I hope that supplies enough information.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I find down up+B down release is easiest.

 

[soap]

I agree with that guy ^

 

[DJRome]

i use back-down-upb-down :\

 

[Lordydennek]

I use down-down-down-upb-sd.

 

[keeper]

EVERYONE LIGHT SHIELD AGAINST SILLY SPACIES... they won't know what to do

Confuse them more with light shield and shield DI.