Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Wademan94]

I love reading your comments in the voice of that stern Business Mewtwo you have as your profile pic.

Which voice would that be?

 

[meleebrawler]

We're doing character lists again?

1. Shantae (duh)
2. Monster Hunter. No matter what you decide to do with him/her I feel it'll be something fun.
3. Hollow Knight/Hornet. The biggest indie competitor left standing, though I kind of think the latter would be more interesting even if they'd both be nice.
4. Edelgard von Hresvelg. Loving or hating her is honestly part of her charm, and the myriad ways she can develop depending on choices leads to lots of room for interpretation in Smash events and plots. Including a FE antagonist the series currently lacks. Three Houses mechanics, heavy armour and an axe don't hurt either.
5. An ARMS character. My personal pick is Dr. Coyle, but poster boy Spring Man (his assist could easily be replaced by Springtron) and official fan-favorite Min-Min are also strong contenders.
6. Rex and Pyra/Mythra. Almost an eventuality.To make up for the lack of Blade switching a hybrid of normal and Torna style combat can be used. Fight with Rex normally who gets stronger over time with his blade's support (the two can be switched at any time here), and at peak strength Pyra or Mythra can take over for a bit giving a burst of strength before resetting the whole process.
7. Robin (Iconoclasts)/Agent Black. My "me" picks. Underappreciated gem of a story.
8. Arle Nadja. Puyo Puyo is having a strong resurgence in the west and on the Switch, to the point of being an SNES online launch title. A twofer with Lip would be even better.
9. Morrigan Aensland. Yeah, yeah, very little chance but still a great character beneath the eye candy.
10. Risky Boots! May not happen but she'd be a great way to get some Pirate's Curse rep if there isn't enough room in Shantae, and her personality would be incredibly entertaining in a competitive setting.
11. Reiji Arisu. The crossover star in a crossover... what more do you need?

 

[Teeb147]

Oh hey, a River City Girls traileri!

I almost forgot River City Girls released today!

It's a little more expensive than I expected, but I definitely still want to get it. I think it's on the switch too right? I'll probably get it there. Sometime.

 

[TheCJBrine]

1. Needs to be a videogame character.

2. Needs to have a significant console history.

3. Must be a major character.

4. 1st rep needs to be the main protagonist.

5. Character can't be extremely/excessively/incredibly obscure.

Since there's no more rules about needing to be significantly iconic, Shantae would be allowed to be playable.

The only ones that are actually rules are Rule #1, arguably the rest (except #2) despite Sakurai only ever mentioning #1.

We already have characters that didn't have much console history when they were added (such as Bayonetta).

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Well does these polls include polls from Japan? I feel that we need to see how Shantae is doing over there in general. I know how she made it on the front of a Famitsu online page but do we have more data?

Yes, Japan is included in the poll I posted. It has a ton of polls from all 3 major regions, all combined into one. They have Japan results seperately from the US, also, and Shantae isn't doing so hot in Japan according to it. Note that the Japan polls included are a lot smaller than US ones, though.

 

[Biometal]

No list, but I'll leave this.

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[LaBeteNoire]

1. Morrigan Aensland. Yeah, yeah, very little chance but still a great character beneath the eye candy.

I can't believe I forgot her for my list!!! as a Universal Monsters fan, I've always loved the Darkstalkers series (I even used to watch the terrible cartoon series lol) and tho I like Felicia much more, I can;t argue that Morrigan would be the right pick...

I just wish we could get the series back. Capcom gave up on them after the last game did poorly, but it never came to Nintendo so they don;t know how big an audience there might be for them on the Switch...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I can't believe I forgot her for my list!!! as a Universal Monsters fan, I've always loved the Darkstalkers series (I even used to watch the terrible cartoon series lol) and tho I like Felicia much more, I can;t argue that Morrigan would be the right pick...

I just wish we could get the series back. Capcom gave up on them after the last game did poorly, but it never came to Nintendo so they don;t know how big an audience there might be for them on the Switch...

Seeing how Cloud can get in just from having a goddamn small cameo on a weird musical 3DS Final Fantasy spin-off, I'm not worried about Morrigan not fitting the criteria. After all, even if Project X Zone wasn't counted, she still showed up on other crossovers that got on Nintendo hardware (especially Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom). Besides, she's basically the queen of crossover appearances at this point.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

No list, but I'll leave this.

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You included Ickybod Clay and as such I will love you forever.

As for Morrigan. It's not that I think she doesn't fit the criteria, it's that I don't think Capcom cares enough about Darkstalkers to want to include her in anything... I wish NIntendo would pull a Bayonetta and fund a new Darkstalkers exclusive to the Switch... I mean it's not like Capcom is giving us Street Fighter any time soon...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Considering that people often forget that she even has a game series...I severely doubt that would stop Capcom from letting her be accepted in Smash.

The only thing that gets in Morrigan's way is lack of fan demand. It'd be odd to show up everywhere but Smash. And we already got characters whose series don't really have much of a future anyway.

No list, but I'll leave this.

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Don't be silly, everyone knows that Bad Mr. Frosty is Clayfighter's mascot.

In all seriousness though, Earthworm Jim would need to get in before any other Interplay character can stand a chance.

 

[PokéfreakofBACON]

Well as long as we're posting lists of who we want...

SSS tier "I will cry if they're not in")
Bandana Dee, Geno, any Rhythm Heaven character, literally any grass type pokemon

S tier "Please god put them in")
Any Zelda Rep, Zeraora as a Lucario echo, Quote from Cave Story

A tier "I would be very happy to see them playable")
Shantae, any 1st party character that isn't from FE, Mii Wizard/Mage, Phoenix Wright, Protoman as a MM echo, Kamek

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Well as long as we're posting lists of who we want...

SSS tier "I will cry if they're not in")
Bandana Dee, Geno, any Rhythm Heaven character, literally any grass type pokemon

S tier "Please god put them in")
Any Zelda Rep, Zeraora as a Lucario echo, Quote from Cave Story

A tier "I would be very happy to see them playable")
Shantae, any 1st party character that isn't from FE, Mii Wizard/Mage, Phoenix Wright, Protoman as a MM echo, Kamek

I was POSITIVE that the Sun and Moon rep would have been Zeraora. I would have been such a cooler pick than the least popular fo the three final starters... And yeah, another grass type is sorely needed. Plant is very under utilized in Smash. You have Ivysaur and Piranha that are all plant, then you technically have pikmin even tho they do fire and electric damage. And then you have the Villager's tree attack and Lucas' forward smash and that's all the plant based attacks in the game.

Contrast to how many fire/explosion attacks there are...

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Well if we going off the extra character slots in the data which I believe is 10 more after the Fighters Pass (Honestly believe Sakurai is gonna keep the 3rd party train going)
Here's my 10 in no particular order

1. Shantae (Shantae Series)
2. Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
3. Geno (Super Mario RPG)
4. Rayman (Rayman Series)
5. Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
6. Dante (Devil May Cry)
7. KOS-MOS (Xenosaga)
8. Saber (Fate Series)
9. Crono (Crono Trigger)
10. Master Chief (Halo)

 

[BlackInk]

Well as long as we're posting lists of who we want...

SSS tier "I will cry if they're not in")
Bandana Dee, Geno, any Rhythm Heaven character, literally any grass type pokemon

S tier "Please god put them in")
Any Zelda Rep, Zeraora as a Lucario echo, Quote from Cave Story

A tier "I would be very happy to see them playable")
Shantae, any 1st party character that isn't from FE, Mii Wizard/Mage, Phoenix Wright, Protoman as a MM echo, Kamek

I personally think Rex from xenoblade 2 and the Octolings from Splatoon 2 might have a shot. They already have scrapped plans for Rex and Inkling has a lot of potential for a great, unique eco fighter just from its ink gimmick.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

The only ones that are actually rules are Rule #1, arguably the rest (except #2) despite Sakurai only ever mentioning #1.

We already have characters that didn't have much console history when they were added (such as Bayonetta).

I was fine with Bayonetta at first when she was added back in Smash 4 doing the good old days despite being only mildly iconic, because I assumed that Bayonetta was going to be an exception for 3rd party characters who aren't highly iconic. But since Joker became playable, I don't want Bayonetta to be playable anymore. And also Joker's inclusion is a step towards Frisk, Jibanyan and Shantae.

 

[Biometal]

Considering that people often forget that she even has a game series...I severely doubt that would stop Capcom from letting her be accepted in Smash.

The only thing that gets in Morrigan's way is lack of fan demand. It'd be odd to show up everywhere but Smash. And we already got characters whose series don't really have much of a future anyway.



Don't be silly, everyone knows that Bad Mr. Frosty is Clayfighter's mascot.

In all seriousness though, Earthworm Jim would need to get in before any other Interplay character can stand a chance.

But "Icky always wins".

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Man, I was just watching Gremlins the other day. What a good movie. The Mogwai were so cute but could cause a lot of trouble if you didn't follow the rules. Let's see, you couldn't get them wet, had to keep them out of the sun... What was the last one? Oh yeah: DON'T FEED THEM.

Good advice all things considered.

 

[Wademan94]

I was fine with Bayonetta at first when she was added back in Smash 4 doing the good old days despite being only mildly iconic, because I assumed that Bayonetta was going to be an exception for 3rd party characters who aren't highly iconic. But since Joker became playable, I don't want Bayonetta to be playable anymore. And also Joker's inclusion is a step towards Frisk, Jibanyan and Shantae.

This justification feels needlessly arbitrary and sounds more like gatekeeping tbh.

 

[meleebrawler]

I can't believe I forgot her for my list!!! as a Universal Monsters fan, I've always loved the Darkstalkers series (I even used to watch the terrible cartoon series lol) and tho I like Felicia much more, I can;t argue that Morrigan would be the right pick...

I just wish we could get the series back. Capcom gave up on them after the last game did poorly, but it never came to Nintendo so they don;t know how big an audience there might be for them on the Switch...

Honestly that was just Capcom's dark age, something they're probably still trying to recover from. The Darkstalkers series may be in the grave now but it's far from forgotten, Teppen has lots of good art for the characters, including ones showing Morrigan doing what a succubus is actually supposed to do! I think they're just waiting for the right opportunity where they can take another gamble with the series without putting themselves in jeopardy. If Samurai Shodown can come back a rightfully deserved bomb then Darkstalkers has a good chance, too.

Right now we're getting the Devil May Cry games on the Switch, which is another series that's formerly been kept off Nintendo consoles, and Monster Hunter World (Iceborne) will likely keep them stable for a long while yet.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

I've already mentioned dozens of times that I don't like having 3rd party characters who aren't significantly iconic as playable characters because it's not necessary. And it can risk cluttering the roster with unnecessary mediocre additions. And I just mentioned that we're already a few steps towards it.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Honestly that was just Capcom's dark age, something they're probably still trying to recover from. The Darkstalkers series may be in the grave now but it's far from forgotten, Teppen has lots of good art for the characters, including ones showing Morrigan doing what a succubus is actually supposed to do! I think they're just waiting for the right opportunity where they can take another gamble with the series without putting themselves in jeopardy. If Samurai Shodown can come back a rightfully deserved bomb then Darkstalkers has a good chance, too.

Right now we're getting the Devil May Cry games on the Switch, which is another series that's formerly been kept off Nintendo consoles, and Monster Hunter World (Iceborne) will likely keep them stable for a long while yet.

Even if we just got Arcade Archive versions of some of the older Darkstalkers games on Switch I would be happy. Like I love the genre of fighting games, but most the time every fighting game just has a lot of characters that bore me (nothing but muscly guys punching and kicking) So I end up only ever playing as the one or two outliers like Blanka or such.

Darkstalkers tho, took full advantage of that fact that it was a video game that could do anything it wanted and as such had so many varied and interesting characters. Rikou, Felicia, Lilith and Bigfoot were always my favorites.

 

[zferolie]

God I hate that Capcom just killed the Darkstalkers after releasing a sub optimal port thinking no one wanted the series. Capcom SUCK during that time.. I want an HD sequel, make it just as fun as the original, and give us MIDNIGHT BLISS!!!!

How dare anyone who is posting lists not have shantae in their top. GET OUT OF HERE CRIMINAL SCUM!

No list, but I'll leave this.

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That there is some top clas choices. With Goemon an Mii costume, how do you feel? And why is lip in both echo and normal?

 

[Kirbeh]

I saw Darkstalkers so I'm obligated to post.

Seriously though, keeping it short to not go too off topic, but DS does not get the credit it deserves. A lot from DS (mechanics wise) ended up carrying over to SF when the Alpha series was getting developed and SF was better off for the experiments made with DS. SF wouldn't be the same as we know it now if it weren't for DS.

It's a series so beloved by it's niche that it inspired other fans/devs for years to come (BlazBlue, Skullgirls, etc.), yet it's also just that; extremely niche. So niche that most people don't know it exists and characters like Morrigan and Demitri have shown up in more crossovers than their own series has games.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

I saw Darkstalkers so I'm obligated to post.

Seriously though, keeping it short to not go too off topic, but DS does not get the credit it deserves. A lot from DS (mechanics wise) ended up carrying over to SF when the Alpha series was getting developed and SF was better off for the experiments made with DS. SF wouldn't be the same as we know it now if it weren't for DS.

It's a series so beloved by it's niche that it inspired other fans/devs for years to come (BlazBlue, Skullgirls, etc.), yet it's also just that; extremely niche. So niche that most people don't know it exists and characters like Morrigan and Demitri have shown up in more crossovers than their own series has games.

And I think it's only as Niche as it is because a lot of people who would normally like it never got exposed to it to know it exists. Particularly Nintendo fans who generally prefer cartoony/outlandish character designs and dynamic color pallets. I think if it was marketed to the Nintendo crowd Darkstalkers would really take off. Especially with how the Halloween/Goth?Spooky culture has taken off on the internet in the past few years...

Like why they heck isn't Hottopic putting Morrigan on everything they have?! People have to be tired of buying Jack Skellington all the time...

 

[Biometal]

That there is some top clas choices. With Goemon an Mii costume, how do you feel? And why is lip in both echo and normal?

Both glad he finally showed up, but also upset the way he showed up. 50/50. Yee.

Also, that's Lip's daughter, Furil, in the Echo section.

 

[zferolie]

Both glad he finally showed up, but also upset the way he showed up. 50/50. Yee.

Also, that's Lip's daughter, Furil, in the Echo section.

Ah they look so simular. God I would love Lip to come back. I should have put her in my dead/forgotten Characters spot on my list.

Also you Have Marina. More games need Marina in them. Shake Shake

 

[Wademan94]

Also you Have Marina. More games need Marina in them. Shake Shake

Maybe she could be an Octoling alt. if they become an echo.

 

[Sunny-Zee]

Maybe she could be an Octoling alt. if they become an echo.

Wrong Marina, mate.
THIS Marina:

Although Off the Hook Marina is very tempting.

 

[Kirbeh]

Maybe she could be an Octoling alt. if they become an echo.

I think you might be mixing up Splatoon Marina with Mischief Makers Marina, unless this was meant in jest and just flew way over my head.

Dang, 'd by Sunny

 

[Wademan94]

Wrong Marina, mate.
THIS Marina:

Although Off the Hook Marina is very tempting.

I think you might be mixing up Splatoon Marina with Mischief Makers Marina, unless this was meant in jest and just flew way over my head.

Dang, 'd by Sunny

Gotcha. Yeah I wouldn’t have guessed that.

 

[WingedSupernova]

Well does these polls include polls

We're doing character lists again?

1. Shantae (duh)
2. Monster Hunter. No matter what you decide to do with him/her I feel it'll be something fun.
3. Hollow Knight/Hornet. The biggest indie competitor left standing, though I kind of think the latter would be more interesting even if they'd both be nice.
4. Edelgard von Hresvelg. Loving or hating her is honestly part of her charm, and the myriad ways she can develop depending on choices leads to lots of room for interpretation in Smash events and plots. Including a FE antagonist the series currently lacks. Three Houses mechanics, heavy armour and an axe don't hurt either.
5. An ARMS character. My personal pick is Dr. Coyle, but poster boy Spring Man (his assist could easily be replaced by Springtron) and official fan-favorite Min-Min are also strong contenders.
6. Rex and Pyra/Mythra. Almost an eventuality.To make up for the lack of Blade switching a hybrid of normal and Torna style combat can be used. Fight with Rex normally who gets stronger over time with his blade's support (the two can be switched at any time here), and at peak strength Pyra or Mythra can take over for a bit giving a burst of strength before resetting the whole process.
7. Robin (Iconoclasts)/Agent Black. My "me" picks. Underappreciated gem of a story.
8. Arle Nadja. Puyo Puyo is having a strong resurgence in the west and on the Switch, to the point of being an SNES online launch title. A twofer with Lip would be even better.
9. Morrigan Aensland. Yeah, yeah, very little chance but still a great character beneath the eye candy.
10. Risky Boots! May not happen but she'd be a great way to get some Pirate's Curse rep if there isn't enough room in Shantae, and her personality would be incredibly entertaining in a competitive setting.
11. Reiji Arisu. The crossover star in a crossover... what more do you need?

You get brownie points from me for mentioning Reiji.

 

[Dukefire]

Anyway, we have ourselves a 2 month cooldown until Terry arrives and possible another slip up.

 

[Mango The Magician]

...Been almost a year since I last posted on this site, so hey. Anyways, I lost hope for Shantae after she was revealed as a spirit, but now with the confirmation of more DLC that hope has been somewhat rekindled so hopefully she has somewhat of a chance.

I've already mentioned dozens of times that I don't like having 3rd party characters who aren't significantly iconic as playable characters because it's not necessary. And it can risk cluttering the roster with unnecessary mediocre additions. And I just mentioned that we're already a few steps towards it.

I agree with the sentiment, but I think this is a losing battle. I think Smash will just keep crossing over with anything it can till the series dies or Sakurai leaves. I can't say I'm a fan of this...as I rather Smash be Nintendo only, but it's the nature the series has adopted over the years and I don't think it's gonna change.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

...Been almost a year since I last posted on this site, so hey. Anyways, I lost hope for Shantae after she was revealed as a spirit, but now with the confirmation of more DLC that hope has been somewhat rekindled so hopefully she had somewhat of a chance.


I agree with the sentiment, but I think this is a losing battle. I think Smash will just keep crossing over with anything it can till the series dies or Sakurai leaves. I can't say I'm a fan of this...as I rather Smash be Nintendo only, but it's the nature the series has adopted over the years and I don't think it's gonna change.

I'm not surprised that you agree with my opinion. Right now we only have two playable currently not highly iconic 3rd party fighters, Bayonetta and Joker/Ren. Adding Frisk or Shantae, would add up to three. And if we go too far, we might end up getting Beck (mighty no 9), Quote (cave Story) Chell (portal), or Lilac (freedom planet). Which would be very unecessary.

Is there anyone else here who agrees with my opinion above?

 

[LaBeteNoire]

You know, those Mogwai were so cute that it's understandable that you would want to feed them...

Spoiler: but DON'T FEED THEM

 

[Mango The Magician]

I'm not surprised that you agree with my opinion. Right now we only have two playable currently not highly iconic 3rd party fighters, Bayonetta and Joker/Ren. Adding Frisk or Shantae, would add up to three. And if we go too far, we might end up getting Beck (mighty no 9), Quote (cave Story) Chell (portal), or Lilac (freedom planet). Which would be very unecessary.

Is there anyone else here who agrees with my opinion above?

I don't think you need to worry about Frisk or Beck, Quote, Chell, and Lilac (no offense to those who want any of those characters) I just think they're all really unlikely. I think the extra DLC will be used largely for characters that are and have been highly requested while the fighter pass are characters that Sakurai chose. Frankly on this subject, I'm actually kinda against even Shantae, I'd rather have no third parties of any kind, but we've already gone this far so I support her.

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Anyways now that we've seen four of the fighter pass characters I think we can narrow down who the fifth may be. So far every character has been from a series that has zero represention in Smash meaning anything with any kind of represention is out, which includes things like Monster Hunter or Undertale, likewise there may be a pattern to be found. I think Joker is an outlier, so I'm not including him, but anyways Hero is highly iconic with stong ties to Japanese video game history, Banjo is iconic with strong Nintendo history, and Terry has fighting video game history, Smash is a Nintendo fighting game, that's japanese, I think number five will be relevant to what Smash is in some form whilist also being from a series that isn't already represented.

 

[Biometal]

That's exactly why I emphasize Marina Liteyears by her full name; saying only her first name will inevitably cause people to assume it's the Splatoon character.

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Someone please tell her that babies aren't supposed to be shaken before she does the thing.

 

[12cheeper]

At this point third parties are absolutely necessarily tbh.Aside from nintendo franchises with loads and loads of characters(basically just FE and Xenoblade) there aren't too many more characters at this point you can request without either scraping the bottom of the barrel of already represented series or digging up and reimagining some obscure NES/Famicom game protagonist.There's a few big first parties left sure,but there definitely aren't too many left.

 

[MeteoRain]

im SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad theres gonna be more fighters besides the 5!

right off the top of my head..
shantae
geno
crash
rayman
yoshimitsu

there is HOPE my friends. THERE. IS. HOPE!

Shantae, Geno, and flipping Crash Bandicoot! Back to back no less!

I'd be so overjoyed that my house could burn down as I total my car right after the reveals and I'd STILL call it the best day of my life.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Hey guys, there is a new poll please show your support and vote Shantae.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8-vylw-JH0u3_1-fJzMpOkYuJKHndvLB6uqdyuj9-iv1GrQ/viewform