Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Dukefire]

Honestly, this is how I view the attention on leakers whenever they are brought up.

Either they are right or will get talk crap if they are wrong (effect depends on how believable the info was and how many people followed it.)

 

[zferolie]

Just wait for someone to dynamax lopunny or gardevoir hehehe

 

[Kirbeh]

Just wait for someone to dynamax lopunny or gardevoir hehehe

That was going to happen anyway if it hasn't already. Overall though, dynamaxing is actually pretty disappointing tbh. Everything else was neat tho

 

[zferolie]

That was going to happen anyway if it hasn't already. Overall though, dynamaxing is actually pretty disappointing tbh. Everything else was neat tho

Just waiting for all those gigantes fetish artists to go to town lol.

I think dynamax is a cool feature, as it lets every pokemon do it, not just the few mega evolutions of the past. Plus 3 turns seems more reasonable

 

[Dukefire]

Just waiting for all those gigantes fetish artists to go to town lol.

I think dynamax is a cool feature, as it lets every pokemon do it, not just the few mega evolutions of the past. Plus 3 turns seems more reasonable

Better since its does even the playing field when playing against other trainers. Sure, using the Dynamax is a strong counter and/or advantage, but activate it wisely since you only have one shot per battle.

 

[meleebrawler]

We can always use an inspiring image to boost spirits:

Deviant artist twisted-wind has lots of Shantae art to peruse.

 

[Kirbeh]

We can always use an inspiring image to boost spirits:

Deviant artist twisted-wind has lots of Shantae art to peruse.

Intentional? Art is nice though.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Honestly, this is how I view the attention on leakers whenever they are brought up.

Either they are right or will get talk crap if they are wrong (effect depends on how believable the info was and how many people followed it.)
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And then there are those that are half-right, half-wrong.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I got a question for you guys: Where do you guys think Shantae would place in the tier list if she ever makes it in? Personally, I think she has potential to be top tier probably somewhere in the top 10.

Yeah, it's just too bad it isn't about our genie right now. I get the impression that every thread's becoming a general topic.

I wish she was in the Season Pass. But I think she is out of the running unless they announce a 2nd Season Pass.

 

[Wademan94]

I got a question for you guys: Where do you guys think Shantae would place in the tier list if she ever makes it in? Personally, I think she has potential to be top tier probably somewhere in the top 10.



I wish she was in the Season Pass. But I think she is out of the running unless they announce a 2nd Season Pass.

Depends on what her moveset and play style would be like

 

[Dukefire]

Here is a shantae artwork for tonight.

Artist: gpwlghr123

 

[Sunny-Zee]

Here is a shantae artwork for tonight.

Artist: gpwlghr123
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Ya know, this sort of puts me in mind of a beautiful little tradition in anime...

Spoiler: Beatdowns for days behind this point

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

From what I've seen of this "leak," he didn't directly say Banjo-Kazooie was coming to Smash. Here's the thing: if it happens, everyone will say he leaked it. If it doesn't, he can say it was never meant to be a leak and get off scot-free. That's why I'm not going to believe this. People keep talking about how he's risking his account and whatever, but he really isn't because he carefully worded it.

Then it can be just a Mii Costume...

 

[Dukefire]

Then it can be just a Mii Costume...

The fans are not going to be happy with that due to all of the hype fuel loaded on the train.

 

[Wademan94]

The fans are not going to be happy with that due to all of the hype fuel loaded on the train.

Imagine if they start a trailer showing off a Banjo-Kazooie Mii costume at the start for a few seconds before revealing Banjo-Kazooie as fighters...

 

[Dukefire]

Imagine if they start a trailer showing off a Banjo-Kazooie Mii costume at the start for a few seconds before revealing Banjo-Kazooie as fighters...

Which could end up like this trailer.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I got a question for you guys: Where do you guys think Shantae would place in the tier list if she ever makes it in? Personally, I think she has potential to be top tier probably somewhere in the top 10.

Word of Advice: Ignore Tier Lists.
They're not the law.
Just enjoy the characters you love and have fun.

I wish she was in the Season Pass. But I think she is out of the running unless they announce a 2nd Season Pass.

And how do you figure that?

We still don't know who the other four characters are at this point.
So how do you know she won't be one of them?

 

[Wademan94]

Here is a shantae artwork for tonight.

Artist: gpwlghr123
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Well meleebrawler you wanted more art that focused more on her hips, There ya go.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Well meleebrawler you wanted more art that focused more on her hips, There ya go.

Nice to see that fans are already making art of Sonia. She became a fast favorite of mine.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

I got a question for you guys: Where do you guys think Shantae would place in the tier list if she ever makes it in? Personally, I think she has potential to be top tier probably somewhere in the top 10.

I always thought most DLC characters got a lot of TLC and were pretty good like Cloud and Bayonetta. Joker seems to follow suit (no card pun intended). My guess is that they would probably put a lot of effort into making Shantae just like the other DLC characters. I understand that "effort" doesn't necessarily mean "high tier", but historically agile characters with many options fare better than others with less options or are more vulnerable due to less speed/lag, etc. Shantae, to me, seems like she would be a more agile character with many potentially viable options in her moveset. Either in top 10 or top 15.

I can say one thing for certain, though: If they gave her the classic dances as her taunts, she'd have the best taunts in the game hands down.

 

[Shinuto]

I always thought most DLC characters got a lot of TLC and were pretty good like Cloud and Bayonetta. Joker seems to follow suit (no card pun intended). My guess is that they would probably put a lot of effort into making Shantae just like the other DLC characters. I understand that "effort" doesn't necessarily mean "high tier", but historically agile characters with many options fare better than others with less options or are more vulnerable due to less speed/lag, etc. Shantae, to me, seems like she would be a more agile character with many potentially viable options in her moveset. Either in top 10 or top 15.

I can say one thing for certain, though: If they gave her the classic dances as her taunts, she'd have the best taunts in the game hands down.

If her jab is rapid she'll already have something decent since it would be a disjointed AND quick jab. Imagine Pikachu's jab but disjointed like Marth/Lucina.

 

[Dukefire]

She could be a mixture of in your face and ranged combat. Her weight is mid, so a balance on launch power and average survival rate. Also, her transformation act like Shulk Monado arts.
Example with 3 animals:
Elephant is Heavy and High Launching Power, but lacks mobility options.
Harpy can jump higher and have multiple jumps, but can be KOed easier due to the lack of weight and harder to stop on ground.
Monkey is a fast, agile animal with potencial combos, but lack launch power, easy to launch and attack percent is low.

She can use her magic attacks like the fireball, storm puff, and Pike Balls as range or even trap tools.

Her human abilities can be applied as standard movement like the Backdash for dodging.

For the gimmick, her magic meter can affect her magic attacks like one pike ball on low, triple on medium and super for max. Or it can be applied on how long the command was held and the magic meter is a timer of sorts.

Add or change anything if you want.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Marcus on Twitter went against the grain by having Shantae's hair being a 3. I approve of this.

 

[Dukefire]

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Marcus on Twitter went against the grain by having Shantae's hair being a 3. I approve of this.

Its actually the number 17, not a three.

 

[Wademan94]

This is how I interpret Shantae’s moveset:

Spoiler: Full Moveset/Animation Ideas

On-screen Entrance: Shantae flies in with Sky on Wrench and hops onto the stage saying "Ret-2-Go!"

Neutral Attack: whips her hair to attack up to 3-times in succession (Both the down tilt and neutral aerial also use the hair whip)
Dash Attack: Slides forward with her feet up (Rottytops race from GBC game)
Forward Tilt: Power Kick from Pirate’s Curse
Up Tilt: She manually pushes her ponytail upward to have it whip opponents from above

Forward Smash: Elbow dash from the first Shantae game, propels her forward a good distance
Down Smash: Puts her hands together and shakes her hips forward then backward (uses the dance mapped to the A button in the first game/elephant dance from Risky’s Revenge)
Up Smash: 2-hit spin kick from the first Shantae game, the kick could potentially knock any opponents in front of her upwards to get hit by the somersault

Forward Aerial: Based off her twirl attack from the first game, she spins around ballerina style with her hair hitting opponents as she twirls around. Propels her forward in the air
Back Aerial: Uses a short-range Flamethrower, hits multiple times
Up Aerial: In a pose similar to her Half-Genie Hero artwork, she thrusts her hand upward with a Fireball in her hand
Down Aerial: The drill attack from the first game, similar to Sonic’s Down air, but can hit an opponent more than once.

Grab: non-tether grab and she pummels her opponent by using her hip.
Forward Throw: She pulls out her scimitar and dashes into her opponent
Back Throw: Throws her opponent behind her and slashes at them with her scimitar
Up Throw: Tosses her opponent up while holding her scimitar above her head similar to the Pirate’s Curse artwork, then slashes it forward in an arc.
Down throw: Throws her opponent to the ground and pogo bounces on them with her scimitar

Neutral Special: Transformation Dance, similar to Half-Genie Hero, Shantae dances and activates a selection of transformations around her and must select a direction to transform similar to Shulk’s new Monado Arts activation (lasts for 10-15 sec., shield and B to cancel out) Each Transformation would have one attack and one special attack

Forward-Monkey (Low Damage and more taken, High Jump, Wall Climb)
Attack: Monkey Claw (arching slash, can be used to juggle opponents)
Special: Monkey Bullet (weak but fast dash, slightly slower than Fox Illusion)

Down-Elephant (Low Speed and Jump, High Knockback and Less Taken)
Attack: Elephant Dash (slow but powerful dash attack)
Special: Elephant Stomp (high knockback)

Back-Spider (double jump allows her to use webbing to pull herself up if a surface is above, also capable of grabbing enemies and pulling them to her to jump off of)
Attack: Spider Leg (performs an uppercut with her frontal leg similar to the Bonelegs enemy in HGH, effectively attacks enemies above her)
Special: Spider Venom (continuously deals damage similar to flowers)

Up-Harpy (Less Traction and Floaty, Multiple Jumps)
Attack: Harpy Talon (overhead slash, potential meteor smash)
Special: Harpy Feather (low damage, but can fire multiple at a time)

Side Special: Triple Fireball-shoots out three fire balls-one straight forward, one angled upward, and one angled down.

Up Special: Storm Puff-summons a Storm Puff to hang on to as it floats upwards for a bit, the puff will send thunder down at its peak and disappear after. She can jump off at any time, but if she hangs on too long she’ll be shocked off in the direction she’s facing (no damage).

Down Special: Pike Ball-similar to Mega Man’s Leaf Shield, one Pike Ball revolves around Shantae. It lasts a bit longer but can’t be thrown.

Final Smash: Half-Genie’s Power: To start, Shantae would transform into the mermaid to trap her opponents in bubbles which would gather into one, then all her main transformations from HGH (Mermaid, Spider, Harpy, Monkey, and if they have time to model them out: Crab, Bat, and Mouse) fly back and forth across the screen to attack the captured opponents, and finally she’d fly up off-screen to smash the opponents to the ground with the giant elephant and send them flying. (inspired by several attacks Shantae uses for her boss at the end of Pirate Queen’s Quest) The background of the stage would change to resemble the Genie Realm from HGH.

Her taunts would consist of some of the belly dances from the GBA game, specifically the ones mapped to the D-Pad (potential Easter egg could have you transform to a Tinkerbat for a moment when you put in the button combination for that dance)

Idle Animations:
-Straightening out her hair like in Pirate’s Curse
-Places her hand on her hip and puts out her finger to create a dancing flame (cover art for Risky’s Revenge)
-Imitates Rottytop’s idle stance for a bit

Victory Animations:
-Spinning around in midair like she does when she completes a stage from her games
-Her flying in her monkey form to grab a gem, then transforming back to perform a dance (like in Super Shantae NAB)
-Landing from a jump and performing her Stage Clear pose from HGH

(just as a bit of a disclaimer, I don't want to spark any more arguments on the representation of her transformations in general, so I'd appreciate it if those points were kept to a minimum or made in a mutually respectful way)

 

[meleebrawler]

The way I see a distinct but also practical way to incorporate Shantae's transformations is just having them replace portions of Shantae's moveset when the appropriate dance is activated. All her moves are human and/or pirate gear by default. Monkey increases dash speed (and air speed if you jump from a dash) and changes her dash attack, Elephant provides armoured, powerful smashes (and perhaps also dash attack and down air), Spider buffs her grab game with the introduction of a tether and stronger throws, and Harpy gives multiple jumps plus an up special that grants free flight and a new set of aerials for a limited time.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

The fans are not going to be happy with that due to all of the hype fuel loaded on the train.

I mean, they did that with Geno a long time ago...

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I mean, they did that with Geno a long time ago...

Because that's all they could do.
Apparently, Square proved to be quite uncooperative, when it comes to Geno.
Otherwise, we might would've had him since Brawl.

 

[Dukefire]

Here is Nintendo's plans for E3

Also, a Bingo reference Sheet found on Twitter for what you predict at E3.

 

[Shinuto]

INDIE DAY?! Please Shantae!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Because that's all they could do.
Apparently, Square proved to be quite uncooperative, when it comes to Geno.
Otherwise, we might would've had him since Brawl.

When you think about it, SE supporters are up **** creek when it comes to character chances.

Anyone from DQ? Need to talk to five different owners of the license.
Anyone else from FF? Track down the individual artists and composers, and even then spirits and new music aren't necessarily a guarantee.
Sora? SE owns half of Kingdom Hearts, but Disney has the rest, and they're equally a hassle to deal with.
Crono? You'd be lucky if SE still acknowledges his series, never mind negotiating with the staff behind the original.

Yet people somehow expect a second character from them to show up.

INDIE DAY?! Please Shantae!

I'd expect Shantae 5 there at most. Besides, I don't know when the Treehouse part ends and the Indie Day part begins.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Word of Advice: Ignore Tier Lists.
They're not the law.
Just enjoy the characters you love and have fun.


And how do you figure that?

We still don't know who the other four characters are at this point.
So how do you know she won't be one of them?

I do ignore tier lists and play as the characters I love, but I just thought it would be fun to discuss where Shantae would probably be on the tier list.

I just think she is out for the Season Pass because she already has a spirit and I'm not saying spirits deconfirm characters, but I don't think we are going get any characters that are already spirits in the Season Pass. Perhaps maybe in a 2nd Season Pass.

INDIE DAY?! Please Shantae!

I would flip out and die of hype if Banjo & Kazooie and Shantae were both to be revealed at E3.

 

[Shinuto]

I do ignore tier lists and play as the characters I love, but I just thought it would be fun to discuss where Shantae would probably be on the tier list.

I just think she is out for the Season Pass because she already has a spirit and I'm not saying spirits deconfirm characters, but I don't think we are going get any characters that are already spirits in the Season Pass. Perhaps maybe in a 2nd Season Pass.



I would flip out and die of hype if Banjo & Kazooie and Shantae were both to be revealed at E3.

Id scream. Shantae and B&K reveal at this E3 is my absolute ideal double reveal, literally nothing would be better in terms of a double Smash reveal.

 

[Dukefire]

Though, it is not good to hold your breath even before the finish line is in sight. You might end up falling harder to DNF (Did Not Finish) rather to what place you got. Best to getting very close to the goal before making the final predictions.

Also, here is a Shantae artwork for today.
Artist: JSLIBRA

 

[Shinuto]

Hoesntly as long as Steve isnt revealed I'll be ultimately happy.

 

[Dukefire]

Hoesntly as long as Steve isnt revealed I'll be ultimately happy.

The future is uncertain as of now, so wishes are a gamble. So are the rumors and leaks people make at this point.

Best to watch on the sidelines while keeping your own hype in check. Trying to jump into the active storm now might end up you getting fried and burned depending how deep you go.

 

[Moderately obsessed]

The future is uncertain as of now, so wishes are a gamble. So are the rumors and leaks people make at this point.

Best to watch on the sidelines while keeping your own hype in check. Trying to jump into the active storm now might end up you getting fried and burned depending how deep you go.
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You either get destroyed by your own hype or watch it happen to others?

 

[Dukefire]

View attachment 226435 You either get destroyed by your own hype or watch it happen to others?

Well, not exactly on the point. But it can still happen regard the warnings, just don't get dragged in with the others if the hype dies in a big bang of salt.

 

[Paragon-Yoshi]

I just think she is out for the Season Pass because she already has a spirit and I'm not saying spirits deconfirm characters, but I don't think we are going get any characters that are already spirits in the Season Pass. Perhaps maybe in a 2nd Season Pass..

1. You just contradicted yourself.
2. More "Fan rules", which ultimately end up BS anyways.

Seriously, anything can happen.
Her chances are there.
Whatever happens, happens.

So stop being so negative. Be neutral!

 

[Dukefire]

1. You just contradicted yourself.
2. More "Fan rules", which ultimately end up BS anyways.

Seriously, anything can happen.
Her chances are there.
Whatever happens, happens.

So stop being so negative. Be neutral!

We can't change everyone's own options. But, it can be changed by the official company's announcements.

Which in turn, could end up them saying.......