Shantae, the Half Genie Protector of Scuttle Town! (A Switch To A New WayForward)

[Wademan94]

I definitely think Shantae is the best pick for a retro rep.

I dont want to be mean to other indie character fanbases like some of them have been, I think it's great to cheer for whoever someone likes. Indie games in general are cool, I will just say that I find it wouldn't be very unique to have shovel knight in when he's in so many things.
If there's a new shantae game in the works on top of that, it could be great timing to have her be smash dlc. It's likely all going to be on the switch anyway.

I really like that shantae is both retro and modern at the same time. I love retro graphics, but they can be limiting too. I love how great the artstyle can get beyond pixelized stuff (even if I like those too), plus I'm a fan of cartoony stuff, and a lot of new gen kids probably are too. Just saying, it wouldn't be a bad choice for nintendo to go with her if they want an indie rep

I mean to be honest it’s hard to call Shantae a “retro” rep, especially with characters like Ryu Hayabusa on the table but I see what you’re saying. She very much suits the indie rep angle.

(Also Teeb I don’t know if you saw this post yet but I figured you’d appreciate it)

 

[Teeb147]

I mean to be honest it’s hard to call Shantae a “retro” rep, especially with characters like Ryu Hayabusa on the table but I see what you’re saying. She very much suits the indie rep angle.

(Also Teeb I don’t know if you saw this post yet but I figured you’d appreciate it)

I like it Pillow fights get thumbs up too.

Well shantae is still retro, having started on gameboy. The gameplay is still retro, while the artstyle and other stuff has gone beyond. It's an interesting mix.
I just feel like that could be up nintendo's alley easily. Anyway, we've got the dream, the rest is up to destiny..!!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Undertale?



Ah, that's what we call the Darkstalkers Effect.

I was thinking of a few options:

Quote (Cave Story)
Reimu (Touhou)
An Inti Creates character (either Gunvolt or Jason. Ekoro would probably...not be the best of choices)

Yeah, except that SK's IP isn't dead and he doesn't have fanservice going for him (unless someone counts the planned gender swap).

 

[Deleted member]

I definitely think Shantae is the best pick for a retro rep.

I dont want to be mean to other indie character fanbases like some of them have been, I think it's great to cheer for whoever someone likes. Indie games in general are cool, I will just say that I find it wouldn't be very unique to have shovel knight in when he's in so many things.
If there's a new shantae game in the works on top of that, it could be great timing to have her be smash dlc. It's likely all going to be on the switch anyway.

I really like that shantae is both retro and modern at the same time. I love retro graphics, but they can be limiting too. I love how great the artstyle can get beyond pixelized stuff (even if I like those too), plus I'm a fan of cartoony stuff, and a lot of new gen kids probably are too. Just saying, it wouldn't be a bad choice for nintendo to go with her if they want an indie rep

Don’t you mean indie rep?

Quote (Cave Story)
Reimu (Touhou)
An Inti Creates character (either Gunvolt or Jason. Ekoro would probably...not be the best of choices)

 

[meleebrawler]

I like it Pillow fights get thumbs up too.

Well shantae is still retro, having started on gameboy. The gameplay is still retro, while the artstyle and other stuff has gone beyond. It's an interesting mix.
I just feel like that could be up nintendo's alley easily. Anyway, we've got the dream, the rest is up to destiny..!!

Feels weird calling the gameplay retro, even if it is rooted in Nintendo classics. Do we call New Super Mario Bros. retro just because it's 2D platforming like on the NES/SNES? Unless you mean to say it's archaic and unfair in parts, which mostly is only true of the first game.

Playing up that angle with a Duck Hunt-type reveal (with Game Boy sprites) would be pretty cool, but it probably isn't very likely considering the first Shantae is hardly the most well-remembered, plus based on Sakurai's words reveal trailers for the DLC isn't a guarantee...

 

[Teeb147]

Don’t you mean indie rep?


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I actually did mean to say that :O Surprised you caught that.

Also, I think cave story was a fun game, i like it a lot more than shovel knight, but i can get that there's different tastes and some probably feel differently. I still think personality can count for a lot when it comes to a character, and i dont think any of them hold a candle compared to shantae

Feels weird calling the gameplay retro, even if it is rooted in Nintendo classics. Do we call New Super Mario Bros. retro just because it's 2D platforming like on the NES/SNES? Unless you mean to say it's archaic and unfair in parts, which mostly is only true of the first game.

Playing up that angle with a Duck Hunt-type reveal (with Game Boy sprites) would be pretty cool, but it probably isn't very likely considering the first Shantae is hardly the most well-remembered, plus based on Sakurai's words reveal trailers for the DLC isn't a guarantee...

"Do we call New Super Mario Bros. retro just because it's 2D platforming like on the NES/SNES?"

Umm, yes we do, lol. I think that was the whole point of the new series haha.

 

[Deleted member]

I actually did mean to say that :O Surprised you caught that.

Also, I think cave story was a fun game, i like it a lot more than shovel knight, but i can get that there's different tastes and some probably feel differently. I still think personality can count for a lot when it comes to a character, and i dont think any of them hold a candle compared to shantae



"Do we call New Super Mario Bros. retro just because it's 2D platforming like on the NES/SNES?"

Umm, yes we do, lol. I think that was the whole point of the new series haha.

Oh my mistake I wasn’t talking about quote he’s fine

I was talking about remiu (anime material)

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

>A wild shovel Knight fan appears!

Now, tbh, I never understood why Shovel Knight being in so many cross over is seen as such a negative thing or something to condemn. Is Shovel Knight making a splash throughout the indie scene hurting anything? Is it hurting Shantae?

And even if he's appeared in many stuff before, Smash is kinda a much bigger deal compared to other video game crossover stuff, so yeah, I'd say Shovel Knight being playable in Smash would still be kind of a big damn deal lol. (too bad it probably won't happen thanks to that pesky AT status...)

Not wanting to start anything with Shantae Supporters, Shantae is cool and all, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in wrt Shovel Knight.

The problem is that with each appearance, each one after that feels less special. It's becoming less, "Hey, Shovel Knight is appearing in this game!" and more, "Oh, this one, too, huh? Okay."

It's become more of a meme than anything. "Shovel Knight is on his quest to be in every game."

And this is definitely speculation on my part, but I can't help wondering if this hurts his chances of getting into Smash (playable). Sakurai might see his thousands of cameos, decide adding him in Smash won't seem very special, and pass on him.

You know, a thought just occurred to me...

What if an indie is one of the fighter pass characters, and it's neither of the ones who got small appearances? I could see a third party (har har) in this supposed fanbase rivalry having seized a darkhorse victory.

Undertale. I'm not predicting anything, but I think we all are sleeping on an Undertale rep. Shovel Knight was big, but Undertale was a phenomenon. They even made kind of a big deal about it coming to Switch.

 

[Biometal]

>A wild shovel Knight fan appears!

Now, tbh, I never understood why Shovel Knight being in so many cross over is seen as such a negative thing or something to condemn. Is Shovel Knight making a splash throughout the indie scene hurting anything? Is it hurting Shantae?

And even if he's appeared in many stuff before, Smash is kinda a much bigger deal compared to other video game crossover stuff, so yeah, I'd say Shovel Knight being playable in Smash would still be kind of a big damn deal lol. (too bad it probably won't happen thanks to that pesky AT status...)

Not wanting to start anything with Shantae Supporters, Shantae is cool and all, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in wrt Shovel Knight.

I don't really care about at all about Shovel Knight, but I don't hate him. I'm deterred from him because of certain portions of his fanbase who like to use Shantae as a foot-stool for him while over-glorifying his one and only game, which I also don't see the often exaggerated appeal of.

I get that Shovel Knight is the first Indie game for a handful of people, but that doesn't mean that every other Indie character is automatically trash just because they met him first.

 

[Deleted member]

Everyone here is talking about a possible indie rep like shantae,sans,quote,gunvolt,Isaac,etc but you all are forgetting about the most important and deserving indie rep of all time......



This guy

 

[SneakyLink]

Everyone here is talking about a possible indie rep like shantae,sans,quote,gunvolt,Isaac,etc but you all are forgetting about the most important and deserving indie rep of all time......



This guy

I’d rather have Sans over this pizza eating Banjo wannabe.

I’m 100% serious.

 

[Shinuto]

Imagine WF staff getting tools from the Smash team to work together to animate SHantae's reveal, its a good bunch of the smash females relaxing on a beach in swim wear, and then K. Rool and Ridley start wreck the place with cannonballs, as they get ready to fight, one is about to hit ZSS when a whip hits it away, revealing Shantae who poses in front of all the smash girls.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The problem is that with each appearance, each one after that feels less special. It's becoming less, "Hey, Shovel Knight is appearing in this game!" and more, "Oh, this one, too, huh? Okay."

It's become more of a meme than anything. "Shovel Knight is on his quest to be in every game."

And this is definitely speculation on my part, but I can't help wondering if this hurts his chances of getting into Smash (playable). Sakurai might see his thousands of cameos, decide adding him in Smash won't seem very special, and pass on him.


Undertale. I'm not predicting anything, but I think we all are sleeping on an Undertale rep. Shovel Knight was big, but Undertale was a phenomenon. They even made kind of a big deal about it coming to Switch.

Very true. Only issue is whether they'd go with Frisk first or throw caution to the wind by skipping to the skelebros.

Shovel Knight is also becoming like Ryusei Date in that he winds up getting lost and ending up in random games (according to some of his planned guest appearances, at least one involves him taking a wrong turn at Albuquerque while digging his way to the Tower of Fate, IIRC), while the rest of his cameos have no explanation for them (though I let that slide for Gunvolt and BM Zero). Heck, his abilities in his own game are on the simplistic side (although the phase locket is neat), when Sak is trying to go for character with more unique moveset possibilities.

Everyone here is talking about a possible indie rep like shantae,sans,quote,gunvolt,Isaac,etc but you all are forgetting about the most important and deserving indie rep of all time......



This guy

You do know that's from a jumpscare horror series, right.

 

[Captain Hazama]

I rather see a Five Nights at Freddy's rep in Dead by Daylight then smash.

Imagine WF staff getting tools from the Smash team to work together to animate SHantae's reveal, its a good bunch of the smash females relaxing on a beach in swim wear, and then K. Rool and Ridley start wreck the place with cannonballs, as they get ready to fight, one is about to hit ZSS when a whip hits it away, revealing Shantae who poses in front of all the smash girls.

Sounds cool, but I want to avoid the beach wear route. Then every fan will demand that all the female characters have a beach wear costume and the rating will go up.

 

[Biometal]

It's here:

 

[GoldLiger]

Guys the next DLC Tournament is up it's Shantae vs Tails!!!! Go to this link and VOTE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTlpOMuuil0&feature=youtu.be&a=
Oh and here is the video:

 

[War Anvil]

Guys the next DLC Tournament is up it's Shantae vs Tails!!!! Go to this link and VOTE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTlpOMuuil0&feature=youtu.be&a=
Oh and here is the video:

Too bad Biometal beat you to it.

 

[Kirbeh]

> Bringing up taking issue with others who compare SK to Shantae and then doing that very thing anyway. Yeah ok.

People need to stop treating it it like it's one or the other. Both have merit. Both would make for good characters. But one making an appearance doesn't stop the other. Being an AT, SK at this point is unlikely of course, but just generally speaking, the SK and Shantae fans who stubbornly pit them against each other aren't doing either any favors.

As for other potential/noteworthy indies; Undertale (Sans I guess? Or Frisk, UT fans don't seem to have a consensus on who would fit best.), Cave Story (Quote + Curly Echo if possible), Azure Striker Gunvolt (Gunvolt), and Skullgirls (Filia), the latter being my dream pick for an indie after Shantae, but also the least likely. I'm hesitant to add Freedom Planet to the list since I don't know how it did overall in terms of sales,reception, etc. Plus with it being heavily inspired by Sonic, I have my doubts Lilac would be seen as a unique addition or even welcomed due to Sonic already being in the game. SEGA would possibly take issue with such a similar character being featured side by side with theirs.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

> Bringing up taking issue with others who compare SK to Shantae and then doing that very thing anyway. Yeah ok.

People need to stop treating it it like it's one or the other. Both have merit. Both would make for good characters. But one making an appearance doesn't stop the other. Being an AT, SK at this point is unlikely of course, but just generally speaking, the SK and Shantae fans who stubbornly pit them against each other aren't doing either any favors.

As for other potential/noteworthy indies; Undertale (Sans I guess? Or Frisk, UT fans don't seem to have a consensus on who would fit best.), Cave Story (Quote + Curly Echo if possible), Azure Striker Gunvolt (Gunvolt), and Skullgirls (Filia), the latter being my dream pick for an indie after Shantae, but also the least likely. I'm hesitant to add Freedom Planet to the list since I don't know how it did overall in terms of sales,reception, etc. Plus with it being heavily inspired by Sonic, I have my doubts Lilac would be seen as a unique addition or even welcomed due to Sonic already being in the game. SEGA would possibly take issue with such a similar character being featured side by side with theirs.

I think FP2 needs to be out and proven to sustain the brand before being seriously considered. Besides, there's still the issue of whether more Sonic characters can get in at all first.

 

[Deleted member]

I think FP2 needs to be out and proven to sustain the brand before being seriously considered. Besides, there's still the issue of whether more Sonic characters can get in at all first.

Furries won’t do for a 2nd sonic rep like tails and Amy

So make way for the most important and deserving 2nd sonic rep

 

[Wademan94]

Furries won’t do for a 2nd sonic rep like tails and Amy

So make way for the most important and deserving 2nd sonic rep

You laugh but I’d gladly take Eggman as a fighter

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Furries won’t do for a 2nd sonic rep like tails and Amy

So make way for the most important and deserving 2nd sonic rep

Yo, I'd legit accept him as the second one. As far as attendance goes, he's second to Sonic himself. Thank god he hasn't been included as a boss fight.

 

[Kirbeh]

While I'd love to see Eggman, I'm unsure whether he's too big or not. And no, not in the way Ridley was "too big", but in the sense that he'd still need to be sized in relation to Sonic which would be fine if he were on his own. The problem would then be putting him in a machine to pilot which would need to be larger. It's probably doable, but he'd be pushing it in terms of size depending on what they put him in.

That aside, if we did get him, I want him to have a taunt where he pulls out and eats an entire sub in 2 bites like he did in Unleashed.

 

[Deleted member]

While I'd love to see Eggman, I'm unsure whether he's too big or not. And no, not in the way Ridley was "too big", but in the sense that he'd still need to be sized in relation to Sonic which would be fine if he were on his own. The problem would then be putting him in a machine to pilot which would need to be larger. It's probably doable, but he'd be pushing it in terms of size depending on what they put him in.

*Ahem*

 

[Wademan94]

I had an idea where Eggman would fight on foot but had access to a mini Eggmobile floating at the end of his arm that summoned parts of his machines for him to fight with. This was because I thought Eggman would be too large in his mech/regular Eggmobile.

I adapted this idea into a concept I had for a Sonic fighting game called Sonic Clash. The idea would be justified for story reasons, it’s a more traditional style of fighting game which I know is overdone but I always thought Sonic would fit that type of game. Is there anywhere on this site I could talk about those ideas? (Also for that game, the mini Eggmobile would be connected to Boom Eggman’s wrist controller that mainline Eggman stole from him, again for story reasons.)

*Ahem*

You know Eggman’s at least three times his size right?

 

[RetrogamerMax]

While I'd love to see Eggman, I'm unsure whether he's too big or not. And no, not in the way Ridley was "too big", but in the sense that he'd still need to be sized in relation to Sonic which would be fine if he were on his own. The problem would then be putting him in a machine to pilot which would need to be larger. It's probably doable, but he'd be pushing it in terms of size depending on what they put him in.

That aside, if we did get him, I want him to have a taunt where he pulls out and eats an entire sub in 2 bites like he did in Unleashed.

The problem with Eggman isn't his machine because they can downscale that like K. Rool and Ridley. The problem with Eggman is his height and downscaling that properly with his machine which, would look too little if he was going to be a balanced fighter. Eggman would probably be a bigger nightmare to program as a fighter than Ridley because of that reason.

 

[Dukefire]

The problem with Eggman isn't his machine because they can downscale that like K. Rool and Ridley. The problem with Eggman is his height and downscaling that properly with his machine which, would look too little if he was going to be a balanced fighter. Eggman would probably be a bigger nightmare to program as a fighter than Ridley because of that reason.

don't forget on programming the egg mobile's machine parts to fight since eggman DOES in fact take all of his fights against sonic in his mechs. Which does make it more suitable to being a boss to fight instead as a fighter.

Also, it would be funny if they added this for his final smash (which I highly doubt it.)

Fan made from a fan game called Sonic After the Sequel

 

[RetrogamerMax]

don't forget on programming the egg mobile's machine parts to fight since eggman DOES in fact take all of his fights against sonic in his mechs. Which does make it more suitable to being a boss to fight instead as a fighter

Eggman would have made a amazing boss in Ultimate. Hopefully if we get any new bosses though patches or with the DLC characters, Eggman will be one of them.

 

[Deleted member]

Eggman would have made a amazing boss in Ultimate. Hopefully if we get any new bosses though patches or with the DLC characters, Eggman will be one of them.

Yeah I guess your right

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Yeah I guess your right

Eh, I'm sure they'd figure something out.

Even if we somehow get a new Sonic character this time, I'd doubt they'd toss in Eggman as a DLC boss since Smash never even set that kind of precedence. DLC stages, yes. DLC stages with bosses in them, no.

 

[LaBeteNoire]

Well, this is pretty interesting. What do you guys think "Brave" could mean?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, this is pretty interesting. What do you guys think "Brave" could mean?

And Let’s be honest Japan’s gonna act like wild monkeys if dq comes to smash

 

[SneakyLink]

Well, this is pretty interesting. What do you guys think "Brave" could mean?

This:

Jokes aside, I’m guessing something Dragon Quest related.

Because the translation could also mean “Hero”.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

So, is Shantae in Smash yet?

 

[Kirbeh]

Yeah, my bets are on DQ. Not a surprising choice by any stretch, rather, I'd be more surprised if they didn't go with DQ DLC at some point given how big it is in Japan.

Going back to Eggman for a moment though, if they were willing to take a bit of creative liberties with his design, perhaps they could give him some armor based on a the Egg Robo?

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It'd be a bit more limited than his Egg Mobile in terms of weapons and gadgets that could fit inside but if they treated it sort of like a fusion between Samus and Iron Man in the MvC games, I think it could make for an interesting moveset. Using stuff from Sonic of course, I don't actually mean borrowing moves from Samus or Iron Man just a general style of how they were designed to play.

 

[Dukefire]

just be wary of a different newcomer since we are still walking on a minefield on Sakurai and Nintendo's home turf. One wrong move and you'll blow up, suffering mortal damage.

 

[meleebrawler]

Yeah, my bets are on DQ. Not a surprising choice by any stretch, rather, I'd be more surprised if they didn't go with DQ DLC at some point given how big it is in Japan.

Going back to Eggman for a moment though, if they were willing to take a bit of creative liberties with his design, perhaps they could give him some armor based on a the Egg Robo?

Spoiler

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It'd be a bit more limited than his Egg Mobile in terms of weapons and gadgets that could fit inside but if they treated it sort of like a fusion between Samus and Iron Man in the MvC games, I think it could make for an interesting moveset. Using stuff from Sonic of course, I don't actually mean borrowing moves from Samus or Iron Man just a general style of how they were designed to play.

You mean this?

 

[Kirbeh]

just be wary of a different newcomer since we are still walking on a minefield on Sakurai and Nintendo's home turf. One wrong move and you'll blow up, suffering mortal damage.

I didn't know being wrong about newcomer speculation was such a high stakes game.

 

[Dukefire]

You mean this?

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that armor just points boss material since his mechs are BIG in power and speed to compete against the blue hedgehog

 

[Kirbeh]

You mean this?

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I mean, maybe? I'm not too familiar with the comics. Though with that design, it also brings to mind the possibility of going the Tron Bonne route. And now I'm reminded that I also want Tron Bonne to come back. MvC, Smash, a new Legends or Misadventures. I'd gladly take any of those.