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#HBC | Mac

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I agree with this, that its more of a vibe thing, but in looking back, you've been trying to stay out of the light a lot today, and a number of your posts just seem fillery or passing off choices you should be making to others.

I also agree with chacos post after this.
you realize this is not a point. Point implies that there is a specific thing that was said that would implicate me as scum, which this isn't. vote: ronike for this.

You are not a Jedi, Macman. Hand-waves will not convince anyone. Although, you are right. It is more than obvious that you're scum here.

Also, I don't like how you'll just "hammer anyone". That implies that you don't care who gets lynched, which in turn implies an anti-town mindset.

Looking back at your posts, I see what Chaco means. You've been saying "I'm down for a player X lynch", and "Not seeing the weight behind Player Y's lynch", but I haven't actually seen you give any reasons, or try to make your own case.
As long as it's not who I think is town, i don't care who is lynched. Anti town maybe, but not really.

but word, let's see how far this goes
 

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you realize this is not a point. Point implies that there is a specific thing that was said that would implicate me as scum, which this isn't. vote: ronike for this.
The point does not imply such a thing, that's up for interpetation.


As long as it's not who I think is town, i don't care who is lynched. Anti town maybe, but not really.

but word, let's see how far this goes
evn ur scumbuds?
 

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who says 'I agree with the point chaco made' when there was no point but just him stating his general feelings towards me.

xonar, do yu think i'm scum?
 

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who says 'I agree with the point chaco made' when there was no point but just him stating his general feelings towards me.

xonar, do yu think i'm scum?
You can agree with someones feeling towards someone else.

About you, I just dislike your overal playstyle, so I find it hard to judge you outside of that.
 

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...honestly there is no possible way that Macman can gain townie points from me. I just looked through all of his posts which quite frankly is noting but rubbish. He's committed nowhere, and has been posting fluff all day. I encourage you to look through his posts as well so that you may realize I cannot do point on him. I need content for point recognition, there is none to be seen other than speculation, calling the vig dumb, and just yammering on.

I'm keeping my vote on Macman. I think the reasons are quite evident and it appears town is seeing eye to eye on this matter. I can't see Mac flipping town. I know town Macman all to well, and this is not him.

If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to ask. I will answer all of them.
 

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No, what I've seen of Frozen in this game I have liked. I feel pretty good with my reads on Frozenflame, and at this point have seen nothing but typical town Frozen play. This is consistency in his game, so I'd say just let the prods get to him.
 

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So yur case is that i haven't committed or taken stances? And have been posting fluff all day?

really now. that's funny because there seems to be plenty of other people[including you] who haven't even posting or who have just talked about nightaction and have done much less than I, as well as haven't. funny yu pick the person whose meta as town is to post a **** load a fluff anyways. It's also funny because I have been taking stances all day, noncommittal is the opposite of what I've been playing. I'd understand if you said I was flipflopping alot, cuz I have been doing that, but yu didn't so I don't understand why yur suspect of me.

so what exactly is your take on others who have been inactive or not posting much of anything?

can yu explain to me how townmac acts? since you supposedly know him "all to well"
 

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Noncommital = Flip flopping, Mac.

Your defense here is quite frankly terrible, and filled with "oh my god you suck". Take time and reevaluate everything. If your town, give me reason to believe it.
 

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wheres the omgus?

non committal doesn't equal flip flopping.

non committal equals never taking stances. WHich is the opposite of what ive been doing


also, good **** not answering any of the q's I just asked yu
 

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I don't mean as in OMGUS voting, I literally mean as in you are *****ing about me going to you.

And yes noncommital means not taking stances. Never is a whole new ballgame. Think of it as in a relationship, you test the waters and then dump them once they start the typical female junk. Thus non commital. You are acting like a commitophobe this game, thus flip flopping your opinion.

I can answer your questions now, well the first has already been done, and I feel the second is worthless in quite honesty. It's just a rabbit trail you're trying to lead me down. Anyways, make a real defense and then get back to me. You are trying to flip this onto your voters, I can tell your intention quite clearly.
 

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I mean, if you know townmac so well, there has got to be something you know that townmac does. There has to be some way you can tell. And I want you to tell me what that is.

what is the point of your second paragraph? That doesn't show how i've been noncommittal, nor does it refute my defense of how i haven't been noncomittal. If i was noncomittal, I wouldn't be taking stances, and I wouldn't be so eager to use my vote. Noncomittal would be more like saying **** like "well, he might be scum, but he also might not".

what is there to defend? Yu said ive been posting fluff and have been noncomittal. I said I post fluff as town. [way more as town than i do as scum] and I showed you how I haven't been non committal. So yet again, I ask you, what do you want me to defend against.

and yes, i find you scummy for this because people who tend to push crap cases on me usually end up being scum. Ronike I find scummy for bandwagoning under the pretense of having an actual reason while in actually he didn't.

so what exactly is your take on others who have been inactive or not posting much of anything?

can yu explain to me how townmac acts? since you supposedly know him "all to well"
i'm sorry, but can you repeat your answer for this first question. And I still would like for you to answer the second.
 

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18th Vote Count

Cacti (4) - KevinM, frozenflame751, Scumfever, Marshy

Macman (4) - Gheb_01, Ronike, Chaco, Nicholas1024

Scumfever (2) - Cacti, Xonar

Ronike (1) - Macman

Meta-Kirby (1) - Xiivi

Not Voting: (1) - Meta-Kirby

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
 

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Townmac tunnels and spearheads, which is the complete opposite of you here. And no, I've seen no evidence of playstyle change up until this point.

And yes, you have been noncommital, flip foppy, and all sorts of the words.

Just because you say you post more fluff as town than scum does not make it true, that's just WFOM that has no other use than to be discarded.

Ronike, does have reason, as do all of your wagoners. You are just poorly trying to refute it.

Feelings about most players were outlined in my larger post, and Frozen was outlined previously. Anymore you'd like covered?
 

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Do I post alot of fluff as town? Yes or No?

I barely tunneled at all in paranoiafia, monster island, allstar, monster, and tournament sleepover. And I was town in everyone of them. What do you say to that?

I do spearhead on occasion, but there are plenty of games where i just coasted for alot and still turned up town. Like in the beginnings of monster island mafia, and wonderland. Also, I've spearheaded quite a bit in this game, i've been on gheb's *** for a while.

You fail to show me how I've been noncommittal at all. All you're doing is saying that i've been noncommittal but you don't show evidence of me being non committal to back up your points.

I want to know why you are choosing me as your top lynch candidate as opposed to others who have been vastly more unhelpful and way more noncommittal or just borderline inactive.

you say my defense/reaction is poor, why is that? What makes it bad? What would have been an acceptable reaction/defense?
 

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Ronike, what is your rolename? I am not sure if you answered this before

Chaco, your large post had said nothing about other inactive, noncomittal people. I want to know what you think of them? Like Cacti, and scumfever, and ff? Why me over them? Still should tell me how I'm noncomittal tho.
 

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wow what an atrocious wagon. how the hell is macman getting wagoned over cacti/scumbagfevah/scummeta kirby? ronike is off gg list and im considering a scum rolecop trying to lynch an indy for gg points. chaco doesnt even have anything to compare townmac and scummac because macman has one completed game as scum i think and it was like months ago. macman not a play today. surely the scum arent sniping for power roles with 2 days before deadline :rolleyes:

wanna hear more from macman wagoners

ideal scenario i think is finishing off cacti vig killing scumbagfevah then going from there
 

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ronike is off gg list and im considering a scum rolecop trying to lynch an indy for gg points.
That's what I thought at first too and it's why I asked Ronike if he can prove his town allignment. It can be useful for town though I guess so I don't think he's a play toDay.

wanna hear more from macman wagoners
Stuff I pointed out in 577 on Macman plus I don't think the way he tried to incriminate me all day is convincing. TownMacman usually cuts the guy who gets the most hate some slack. This time around he seems to scapegoat me pretty hard. Fosed him sometime before that.

ideal scenario i think is finishing off cacti vig killing scumbagfevah then going from there
Right, let's just lynch Cacti and get this nonsense over with.

Unvote Vote Cacti

Not liking Xonar and Nick riding on their claims. Can't believe you guys are actually town because you aren't playing pro-town. I also have a sharp eye on people standing on the sidelines during major discussion - this makes me suspicious of Scumfever, Meta-Kirby and to some extent Frozen. So much scum it's hard to think straight in this game :urg:

:059:
 

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Requesting Cacti Prod. Last Post was 1/20 @ 3:50 EST

Looks like somebody doesn't understand the posting deadlines.
Also, I too looked back through Macman's posts. While some of them HAVE been less-than-beneficial (smileys, "this", "we're not friends anymore"), there have been some instances in which he has voiced his opinion towards certain people (FoS'ing FF, saying that CK/Xonar was suspect, questioning a couple of individuals etc.). Nevertheless, anybody in the entire game has been more helpful or productive than Cacti has been.
 

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for some reason, i've never been suspicious of metakirby. I think it's because of his answer to my miller question.
 

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wow what an atrocious wagon. how the hell is macman getting wagoned over cacti/scumbagfevah/scummeta kirby? ronike is off gg list and im considering a scum rolecop trying to lynch an indy for gg points. chaco doesnt even have anything to compare townmac and scummac because macman has one completed game as scum i think and it was like months ago. macman not a play today. surely the scum arent sniping for power roles with 2 days before deadline :rolleyes:

wanna hear more from macman wagoners

ideal scenario i think is finishing off cacti vig killing scumbagfevah then going from there
Meta Kirby isn't scum, at least in my eyes. Provide reasoning. You've provided no reasoning at all and you get a following when I'm actually providing reasoning for Mac.

Oh and yes, Marshy, I do have something t compare scumMac and townMac. Might wanna watch what you're flinging. Because believe I have and did last night quite a bit. I know what I'm talking about.

Wouldn't buy Mac as a PR, even if he flipped it I wouldn't care. Cacti's more valuable as town if Mac's gonna play like this. I'd say Cacti is busy if he's gone like this, so why not let him getting replaced than going for any easy lynch like always?

Your ideal scenario is utter trash, by the way. I mean really, it's trash. You're gunning for two players, or at least one I can undeniably back up as away on life. Jungle has been busy for quite some time now. I find it hilarious that you go for those. FoS

Any more objections to Mac wagon? State them. He's dying regardless.
 

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I'll step it up tomorrow.
I've seen you lurking around all day, step it up before deadline please. I'd like to see the right guy lynched, and I's really value the opinion of our clear since you're the only one we have. Thank you.

Also, I figured out what Mac was doing now earlier. He discarded your question because he couldn't gun for you because you are clear, so blatantly obvious.
 

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yet again you don't respond to any of my qs.

im not gonna die, unless yur trying to imply that you are the vig. Then shooting me would be dumb. /don't respond to this just don't shoot me vig!

Wouldn't buy Mac as a PR, even if he flipped it I wouldn't care. Cacti's more valuable as town if Mac's gonna play like this. I'd say Cacti is busy if he's gone like this, so why not let him getting replaced than going for any easy lynch like always?
lol what does this mean?
Cacti's more valuable? Explain. What exactly is wrong with the way i'm playing? I mean, plenty of people don't like it, but you never seemed to have a problem with my playstyle before.

kevin/marshy, are you feeling the same sense of dejavu that I am?
 

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Cacti as town, beats you sticking around as scum.

In the past few games, notice how I ALWAYS investigate you. I only like it when you're cleared. So don't tell me I don't have a problem with it.
 

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Also, I figured out what Mac was doing now earlier. He discarded your question because he couldn't gun for you because you are clear, so blatantly obvious.
more like I wanted him to take a stance on the subject. But i don't particularly care for him to do so if he's town.
 

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more like I wanted him to take a stance on the subject. But i don't particularly care for him to do so if he's town.
Why would that make a difference? Like I said, you were trying to gun on your wagoners.
 

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Ronike, what is your rolename? I am not sure if you answered this before

Chaco, your large post had said nothing about other inactive, noncomittal people. I want to know what you think of them? Like Cacti, and scumfever, and ff? Why me over them? Still should tell me how I'm noncomittal tho.
Honestly I've already covered all of those except Scumfever. I'll do so in a minute. Reason I ignored you is because you keep asking me to do things I've already done.
 

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Why would that make a difference? Like I said, you were trying to gun on your wagoners.
the only reason i want him to take a stance, is so I can use to further gauge what I think his alignment is. Which there is no point in doing since he's nearly confirmed town.

and yes, people on my wagon are scummy to me. Gheb I understand becuz he just seems bitter and nick is a uncced cop so im not tryna focus on him or anything.
 

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Do I post alot of fluff as town? Yes or No?
I barely tunneled at all in paranoiafia, monster island, allstar, monster, and tournament sleepover. And I was town in everyone of them. What do you say to that?
You fail to show me how I've been noncommittal at all. All you're doing is saying that i've been noncommittal but you don't show evidence of me being non committal to back up your points.
I want to know why you are choosing me as your top lynch candidate as opposed to others who have been vastly more unhelpful and way more noncommittal or just borderline inactive.
you say my defense/reaction is poor, why is that? What makes it bad? What would have been an acceptable reaction/defense?
Chaco, your large post had said nothing about other inactive, noncomittal people. I want to know what you think of them? Like Cacti, and scumfever, and ff? Why me over them? Still should tell me how I'm noncomittal tho.
specific questions you didn't respond to. I want you to answer them.
 

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I've seen you lurking around all day, step it up before deadline please. I'd like to see the right guy lynched, and I's really value the opinion of our clear since you're the only one we have. Thank you.

Also, I figured out what Mac was doing now earlier. He discarded your question because he couldn't gun for you because you are clear, so blatantly obvious.
Cause I'z makin homework!

/don't respond to this just don't shoot me vig!
What were you thinking xd

Ehs waiting for some more responses from mac less focused on chacs.
 

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Do I post alot of fluff as town? Yes or No?

Amidst the actual scum hunting, Yes.

I barely tunneled at all in paranoiafia, monster island, allstar, monster, and tournament sleepover. And I was town in everyone of them. What do you say to that?

Out of those games, I was only in one. And you still did tunnel slightly.

I do spearhead on occasion, but there are plenty of games where i just coasted for alot and still turned up town. Like in the beginnings of monster island mafia, and wonderland. Also, I've spearheaded quite a bit in this game, i've been on gheb's *** for a while.

ROFL, you spearheaded like crazy in Wonderland. No way you coasted.

And BS, you're on Cacti right now. Go for who you want to lynch, not what you can take.


You fail to show me how I've been noncommittal at all. All you're doing is saying that i've been noncommittal but you don't show evidence of me being non committal to back up your points.

You've said you were noncommital even, why should I show you if you've already admitted it?

I want to know why you are choosing me as your top lynch candidate as opposed to others who have been vastly more unhelpful and way more noncommittal or just borderline inactive.

I don't trust you where as of the others I do trust more.

you say my defense/reaction is poor, why is that? What makes it bad? What would have been an acceptable reaction/defense?

Actually having one and not using your "said", actually it's not a defense it's trying to throw blame elsewhere.
Done and done.
 

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Cause I'z makin homework!

What were you thinking xd

Ehs waiting for some more responses from mac less focused on chacs.
Today is Saturday, you have tomorrow and you're currently online.

Then ask him questions.
 

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the only reason i want him to take a stance, is so I can use to further gauge what I think his alignment is. Which there is no point in doing since he's nearly confirmed town.

and yes, people on my wagon are scummy to me. Gheb I understand becuz he just seems bitter and nick is a uncced cop so im not tryna focus on him or anything.
So you want to twist a wagon on you to suit your needs?
 
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