Scum Wars Mafia - Game!

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Today is Saturday, you have tomorrow and you're currently online.

Then ask him questions.

I have tomorrow to read 100 pages and make a book report while i'll be gone for a part of the day? no sir.

I'll ask him questions when you stop ninjaing them.

 

[Chaco]

Looked at Scumfever, see nothing really out of the ordinary other than his girlfriend holding his nuts in her purse. He's V/LA. No problem there, he should have a chance to post instead of getting lynched. You are here, and are scummy. Problem solved.

 

[Chaco]

I have tomorrow to read 100 pages and make a book report while i'll be gone for a part of the day? no sir.

I'll ask him questions when you stop ninjaing them.

Then why stay here and keep responding? And how're you gonan post tomorrow if you're gonna be gone and have a book report to do?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I probably won't be posting a lot tomorrow, but will try to make the ones I post a bit better. Note: When I'm gone it's prolly like night in america so yahs.

Could we now stop hunting homework cuz it's leading us nowhere ingame.

im responding cause i owe an explanation after my first post.

 

[Chaco]

Just wondering, and no one's hunting homework. Just wondering why you cant make a good quick post since you've made like a spree of explanations.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Amidst the actual scum hunting, Yes.

k, fluff posting is null-tell. next

ROFL, you spearheaded like crazy in Wonderland. No way you coasted.

And BS, you're on Cacti right now. Go for who you want to lynch, not what you can take.

I think we have different definitions of spearheading.

anyways, are you trying to imply that i've been coasting in this game?

You've said you were noncommital even, why should I show you if you've already admitted it?

I never said this.

I don't trust you where as of the others I do trust more.

not an acceptable answer. That's like you asking "Why do you think I am scum" and me saying "Because you're scum"

Actually having one and not using your "said", actually it's not a defense it's trying to throw blame elsewhere.

using my "said"? what does that even mean?

I gave my defense to the points you brought up. So yet again, I ask. What was wrong with it?.

Also, what's wrong with me putting blame somewhere else? Like how the **** else does one defend themselves? If you don't wanna die then present better lynch candidates. Why would a townie just sit there and let town go in the wrong direction? I still legitimately think the two of you are scummy.

 

[Chaco]

Another terrible post, dissecting it now.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

So you want to twist a wagon on you to suit your needs?

What are you even asking here? How did you get this from the post I made?

 

[Chaco]

k, fluff posting is null-tell. next
No, it is not. In your mind it is, the type of fluff posting you are doing could also mean a lot. So by no means is it null. More so you want it to be.


I think we have different definitions of spearheading.
In wonderland you attacked the riddle lynch and died N1, spearheaded? Yeah, even Tom said it was.

anyways, are you trying to imply that i've been coasting in this game?
Not a bit, just **** posting.


I never said this.
My bad, you said flip flopping. WHICH IS THE SAME.



not an acceptable answer. That's like you asking "Why do you think I am scum" and me saying "Because you're scum"

I explained why I trusted them more. If you'd bothered to look mainly at FF, and Jungle is V/La. Jesus man.



using my "said"? what does that even mean?

Pretty much means that you are calling it a defense, when in reality it is not. Like calling a donkey a stallion. "Riding your "said" stallion into town"

I gave my defense to the points you brought up. So yet again, I ask. What was wrong with it?

It wasn't a defense, it was an attempt to attack others. A failed one at that btw, you've brought up no reasoning and are *****ing to high hell how I've supplied none.

Also, what's wrong with me putting blame somewhere else? Like how the **** else does one defend themselves? If you don't wanna die then present better lynch candidates. Why would a townie just sit there and let town go in the wrong direction? I still legitimately think the two of you are scummy.

Because you want town to go the wrong direction? Uhm, yeah, sounds about right. What scum does son. And learn to make a defense, attacking another player is not making a defense. That's attacking another player. Making a defense would be bakcing up your actions and supoorting why you made them, same goes for the posts.

This is becoming the same thing over and over.

 

[Chaco]

What are you even asking here? How did you get this from the post I made?

Cause it's what you're doing, and you've even admitted. You are using your "defense" to try and attack your wagoners.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

if I fluff post as town, how is it not a null tell? If theres a certain type of fluff posting i don't do as town or do as scum, point it out. then we can go from there.

flipflopping != noncommittal. It actually is being over committal. Also, I flipflop in all my games as town. especially in pwmaf. Another nulltell

Yu trust cacti more because you think he's busy. You trust JF more because you think he's V/LA[when he's actually not and has been back for atleast a wk]. You trust FF more becuz his posts seemed FF-like or w/e the **** yu said about FF.

I've given no defense? No reasoning

what is there to defend? Yu said ive been posting fluff and have been noncomittal. I said I post fluff as town. [way more as town than i do as scum] and I showed you how I haven't been non committal. So yet again, I ask you, what do you want me to defend against.

How is what i've been saying this whole time not a defense/reasoning. Fluff posting is a null-tell for me. ANd it's not even scummy in general. You also have failed to show me how I am noncommittal. So I can't defend against that point since it doesn't exist.

Flipflopping is something that i [myself] brought up against me. and I already stated that that is a nulltell for me since I do it in most games. That's the defense. That's what I've been saying this entire time.

You're over exaggerating the extent of which I've pushed blame on someone else. You also didn't respond to why there is anything wrong with doing this.

Chaco, if you were town and were getting accused of something, would you or would you not try to divert attention elsewhere after you have addressed the reasons why people were suspicious of you?

 

[Chaco]

I've addressed all of this multiple times, stop floundering. it's not a null tell, stop trying to disregard everything.

Jungle is busy, I talk to Jungle all the time. I KNOW he's busy. Trust me, I know more than the V/LA thread does when it comes in the aspect. Cacti, I really don't know. I'm assuming he's busy. If he's not, he's not.

No, I would not try to divert the attention. I tried to do that in my first few games, when Mentos told me never to do that. Haven't done it since, or at leas to my knowledge.

And you haven't really addressed them, I told you what to do to make a defense and you've ignored it and continued the **** posting defense.

 

[Chaco]

Because you want town to go the wrong direction? Uhm, yeah, sounds about right. What scum does son. And learn to make a defense, attacking another player is not making a defense. That's attacking another player. Making a defense would be backing up your actions and supporting why you made them, same goes for the posts.

There, in case you missed it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

you can't be serious.

Chaco in a nutshell: Make a statement and then provide no reasoning or evidence to back it up and ignore obvious superior reasoning because he wants to give off the vibe that he knows what he's talking about.

You need to SHOW me how I've been noncomittal.
You have to EXPLAIN how fluff posting is not a null-tell.
You need to EXPLAIN how everything I've been saying does not equate to a defense.

you say a defense would be explaining my actions. this is quite hilarious cuz yu've never even pointed out ANYTHING i've done that was scummy. I can only explain/defend against the crap you say.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Macman
You have taken stances, as in "I want Cacti/Junglefever/the current bandwagon target" lynched, but you haven't supplied reasoning, and you've switched your target around from post to post. And yeah, though there is quite a bit of fluff, when you're town you also post actual content. However, I looked back through a lot of your posts, and haven't seen a single reason on why or why not to lynch anybody. Anyway, in Wonderland mafia, you were solidly on the Riddle wagon. (I should know, as that's one of the main reasons Marshy and I killed you N1.) When I've seen you as town, you've given more than just "Up to lynch the current bandwagon candidate". However, that's all you're giving here, and that's just not town behavior.

@Marshy
I don't like how you came to Macman's defense, because I think Chaco's got a good case here. I'd rather lynch someone legitimately scummy then someone who's just lurking. The thing about inactives, is that while they don't help town, lynching them is just a wasted day, as they don't draw connections, and don't help at all in future days (aside from the slight chance that they might flip scum).

@Gheb
What do you mean I'm just riding my claim? Not liking how you just backed off of Macman when Marshy tried to stop the wagon.

@Chaco
Great stuff. I'm having flashbacks from Wonderland Mafia D1.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

This tunnelvision is not healthy. Macman hasn't done anything except defending himself recently and I think he's getting more hate than he actually deserves right now. I admit that I'm still a little suspicious of him but I think Cacti's a better play.

I think scum loves situations like this because they can stand on the sidelines and avoid attention while you two bust each others heads. Don't let this come down to some stupid play - both of you are incredibly stubborn right now and I still like to take into account that this whole debate could be T vs T.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nick I didn't "back off" Macman. I just feel that getting rid of Cacti would be better at this point.

 

[Chaco]

you can't be serious.

Chaco in a nutshell: Make a statement and then provide no reasoning or evidence to back it up and ignore obvious superior reasoning because he wants to give off the vibe that he knows what he's talking about.

You need to SHOW me how I've been noncomittal.
You have to EXPLAIN how fluff posting is not a null-tell.
You need to EXPLAIN how everything I've been saying does not equate to a defense.

you say a defense would be explaining my actions. this is quite hilarious cuz yu've never even pointed out ANYTHING i've done that was scummy. I can only explain/defend against the crap you say.

Your entire iso amounts to ****. Good enough?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

This tunnelvision is not healthy. Macman hasn't done anything except defending himself recently and I think he's getting more hate than he actually deserves right now. I admit that I'm still a little suspicious of him but I think Cacti's a better play.

I think scum loves situations like this because they can stand on the sidelines and avoid attention while you two bust each others heads. Don't let this come down to some stupid play - both of you are incredibly stubborn right now and I still like to take into account that this whole debate could be T vs T.

Define recently.

Why?

What makes you think this is T vs T? Don't hit me with the 'I said could' bull**** just explain urself.

 

[Chaco]

Nick I didn't "back off" Macman. I just feel that getting rid of Cacti would be better at this point.

What made you come to this? Nick has a point.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Define recently.

Today.

What makes you think this is T vs T? Don't hit me with the 'I said could' bull**** just explain urself.

I didn't say "I feel it's T v T". I said "We should take that option into account". Don't skim, plz.

Why?

What made you come to this? Nick has a point.

Cacti will remain a huge problem for the rest of the game. I don't want to deal with that bullcrap any longer. Macman has made legitimate efforts to defend himself - you may not like everything he said but at least he can be talked to. Cacti is a wasted vote regardless of his allignment. And I'm still suspicious of him based on what I said in 577. Throwing dirt on a player early in the RVS and then coasting through D1 also looks like an effective mafia tactic.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I thought it was kinda logical that it should be considered an option, why mention it?

And today isn't like that much anyways, it's p. much only his argument with chaco. Are you that quick to change your view on him?

 

[Chaco]

Then vig kills him, and we lynch the scum? Or either way, doubly effective if that's what town wants.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@Macman
You have taken stances, as in "I want Cacti/Junglefever/the current bandwagon target" lynched, but you haven't supplied reasoning, and you've switched your target around from post to post. And yeah, though there is quite a bit of fluff, when you're town you also post actual content. However, I looked back through a lot of your posts, and haven't seen a single reason on why or why not to lynch anybody. Anyway, in Wonderland mafia, you were solidly on the Riddle wagon. (I should know, as that's one of the main reasons Marshy and I killed you N1.) When I've seen you as town, you've given more than just "Up to lynch the current bandwagon candidate". However, that's all you're giving here, and that's just not town behavior.

Saying I want someone dead IS taking a stance. And I generally give reasoning for all my suspicions unless the reason is blatantly obvious, general town consensus. I've been posting content, I don't know how you don't see it. It's the same as how I do in every game. I ask questions and create conversation. And please don't reduce what i've been doing to saying I just want to kill the current bandwagoned candidate. Cuz this is so ****ing false it's funny. I've started bandwagons, I've given my suspicions on people who weren't even seen as scum by the majority of people in town. Don't give me this **** like I'm only ok with killing the person everyone else wants to kill

in wonderland maf. I coasted all of d1, came back like the last 3 rl days of the day and asked riddle a question and he responded badly and then also claimed my character and got lynched. Clearly I'm going to tunnel him after he does that. But my point here is that, I coasted most of the time i was alive.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

you can't be serious.

Chaco in a nutshell: Make a statement and then provide no reasoning or evidence to back it up and ignore obvious superior reasoning because he wants to give off the vibe that he knows what he's talking about.

You need to SHOW me how I've been noncomittal.
You have to EXPLAIN how fluff posting is not a null-tell.
You need to EXPLAIN how everything I've been saying does not equate to a defense.

you say a defense would be explaining my actions. this is quite hilarious cuz yu've never even pointed out ANYTHING i've done that was scummy. I can only explain/defend against the crap you say.

Your entire iso amounts to ****. Good enough?

How do you want me to defend against that sir Chaco. You also haven't done the showing or explaining I asked for. Basically yur ignoring my rebuttals, and reasoning for why yur wrong and just continuing to go with, "OMG, Macman is so scummy, we must lynch him NAO" without gracing town with an actual reason/case/argument

and nick you are incredibly dumb for saying Chaco has a good case on me. He doesn't even have a case! like wtf

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I thought it was kinda logical that it should be considered an option, why mention it?

If it was "kinda logical" why didn't anybody show the slightest effort make it actually look logical? I mean I don't see the logic behind tunneling a player the whole day.

And today isn't like that much anyways, it's p. much only his argument with chaco. Are you that quick to change your view on him?

Where did I say I changed my view on him? Don't skim, plz. I said I'm still suspcious of him

Then vig kills him, and we lynch the scum? Or either way, doubly effective if that's what town wants.

I love how people take the vig for granted when we don't even know if there's on in the game.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

'I admit that I'm still a little suspicious of him'
implies that you were more suspicious before this whole thing.

it looked logical to me that it's an option, because you never REALLY know for sure what someones alligment is.

 

[Chaco]

Saying I want someone dead IS taking a stance. And I generally give reasoning for all my suspicions unless the reason is blatantly obvious, general town consensus. I've been posting content, I don't know how you don't see it. It's the same as how I do in every game. I ask questions and create conversation. And please don't reduce what i've been doing to saying I just want to kill the current bandwagoned candidate. Cuz this is so ****ing false it's funny. I've started bandwagons, I've given my suspicions on people who weren't even seen as scum by the majority of people in town. Don't give me this **** like I'm only ok with killing the person everyone else wants to kill

in wonderland maf. I coasted all of d1, came back like the last 3 rl days of the day and asked riddle a question and he responded badly and then also claimed my character and got lynched. Clearly I'm going to tunnel him after he does that. But my point here is that, I coasted most of the time i was alive.

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=3102544

 

[Xiivi]

You are not a Jedi*, Macman.

Rebel*.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

chaco, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379714&postcount=705

also, funny how yu haven't iso'ed anyone after yu did nick. Even tho you promised to on multiple occasions

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

could anyone tell me what iso stands for?

 

[Chaco]

chaco, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379714&postcount=705

also, funny how yu haven't iso'ed anyone after yu did nick. Even tho you promised to on multiple occasions

Already explained.

 

[Chaco]

chaco, http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9379714&postcount=705

also, funny how yu haven't iso'ed anyone after yu did nick. Even tho you promised to on multiple occasions

Also another terribly petty defense doing exactly what I've accused you of.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Saying I want someone dead IS taking a stance. And I generally give reasoning for all my suspicions unless the reason is blatantly obvious, general town consensus. I've been posting content, I don't know how you don't see it. It's the same as how I do in every game. I ask questions and create conversation. And please don't reduce what i've been doing to saying I just want to kill the current bandwagoned candidate. Cuz this is so ****ing false it's funny. I've started bandwagons, I've given my suspicions on people who weren't even seen as scum by the majority of people in town. Don't give me this **** like I'm only ok with killing the person everyone else wants to kill

in wonderland maf. I coasted all of d1, came back like the last 3 rl days of the day and asked riddle a question and he responded badly and then also claimed my character and got lynched. Clearly I'm going to tunnel him after he does that. But my point here is that, I coasted most of the time i was alive.

Tell you what Macman, here's all of your D2 posts before Chaco started his case against you. I'll let the evidence speak for itself. Also, there is a valid case against you, as (if I may paraphrase KevinM) "You can't say it isn't there when multiple people saw it." Ronike, Gheb, Chaco, and I all saw it.

really?

****ing vig so dumb

vote: frozenflame

unvote, vote: ronike

lol xiivi wtf are thses colors

wait, does purple mean im scummy

lolol

answer my q =[
why did yu claim... again/it's prolly fake

yu cant just tell me? ppl stay bein difficult.

well i see no main points

Gheb you play doc?

also xiivi yu cant make amazing posts like this and then tell me people don't like yur playstyle. don't leave homie

/pointless post that doesnt have anything to do with the game... haven't really started thinking stuff through based on recent events

MAYBE THERE ARE 2 ROLEBLOCKERS AND THE TOWN ROLEBLOCKER BLOCKED THE MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER

/unnecessary speculation

law lity

OH lololol
i was talking about doc in melee lol cuz of yur postbit

answer this gheb

Ronike, what is your role name?

not acceptable

vote: gheb

what is this back and forth ****, gheb u srs right now?

gheb i don't understand why you are being difficult. You're supposed to answer questions[since they are inherently beneficial to town{unless it's rolefishing type crap}] and if you refuse we pressure you with the threat of a lynch, and if you continue to refuse we lynch you.

No idea why you are being difficult right now, get off your stubborn high horse and actually cooperate please.

I don't see what could possibly be so wrong with asking you to explain your reasoning behind an fos

anyways

i agree with the lurkercactiscumlikeinmonsterislandandtvallstarmafia bandwagon. just didn't feel like hopping on since he was at L2.

I mean, i guess it's gonna kill you whether you give a reason or not then

i'm also gonna hold you to this response for when you do cave at actually give a reason

BBAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

super effective!

why though?
what was so scummy about him that made you want to kill him?

This wagoning is important because otherwise people will think it's ok to just brush off questions like they're nothing. Not everyone can get away with that **** like i can.

and cuz yu being unhelpful is scummy and antitown.

also don't see how that answer could get you killed... elaborate?

stop saying that anyone with half a brain can answer/figure out the answer to the question I asked. How do you expect people to know why you wanted xiivi dead? Don't be dumb, this is how we play the game. Asking questions and ****.

Explain how the question was pointless and/or didn't pertain to finding scum. Stop being stubborn/closeminded

lol kevin dont be dumb

not really.

its hard to show how something is not happening. Up to people to prove their own worth

i guess yur devoted to get banned then

and yes im very down with cacti

im not scum

cactus, ronike, or ff
but cactis the top

If you don't really know why people are voting cacti, why is he the highest on your scum radar?



put your vote back on cacti

id actually be down for a frozen lynch i think
maybe ronike/gheb

vote: frozenflame

i think yu shud just get lynched

don't stop him

what is this crap?

like wtf, why would you bring this up then if you don't wanna hold it against him.

im down with just off gheb
vote:gheb

reading the rest of the post now

are you suspicious of these people?

also, why did you bring up the Kevin commenting on rvs silliness thing before my Lynch the miller thing is the former happened after?

Marshy, what do you think about kevinM? [also, put me on yur town list]

Not a case in sight, and every vote you made was already popular opinion. Except for a little back-and-forth with Gheb, you never do anything major to provoke discussion, just a little question here or there to make it feel like you're doing so.

 

[Nicholas1024]

http://www.smashboards.com/search.php?searchid=3102544

Chaco, that link doesn't work.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

How do you want me to defend against that sir Chaco. You also haven't done the showing or explaining I asked for.

humor me. quote me to where you did the showing and explaining. Also respond to the stuff in italics

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Also another terribly petty defense doing exactly what I've accused you of.

what? I don't even understand wtf yur getting at anymore.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Tell you what Macman, here's all of your D2 posts before Chaco started his case against you. I'll let the evidence speak for itself. Also, there is a valid case against you, as (if I may paraphrase KevinM) "You can't say it isn't there when multiple people saw it." Ronike, Gheb, Chaco, and I all saw it.

Link me to the post where this alleged case is.

Not a case in sight, and every vote you made was already popular opinion. Except for a little back-and-forth with Gheb, you never do anything major to provoke discussion, just a little question here or there to make it feel like you're doing so.

point? This is how I play as town. I ask questions and try to get conversation going and comment on everything.

every vote I made was not popular opinion. FF wasn't popular opinion. I also gave reasons for why I found frozen to be scummy d1. And most people weren't down with getting rid of ronike. That Gheb **** was also completely started by me. The only one that was popular opinion is Cacti. Which has merit cuz he is scummy/antitown as ****. So you saying all of my suspicions were popular opinion is just blatantly wrong.

Me not making a case on someone the entirety of d2 doesn't mean anything. Who has made cases on people today? Enlighten me.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

also, you posting that nick makes me realize I haven't even been flipflopping much today. My suspicions stayed consistent. Or atleast appeared to in thread. [I kept changing my mind about who I thought was scum in my head. But i guess i never actually posted it.]

so theres like no visible flipflopping going on, which would mean that even if flipflopping = being noncommittal [which it doesn't] if wouldn't matter because I haven't been flipflopping. So chaco still has to show us how i've been noncommittal.

It doesn't seem to me like he has an actual reason for wanting me dead. And continues to play in a way that ignores/discards anything I say. And is just telling me i have no reasoning or that it's ****ty reasoning without ever once explaining how.

Chaco was initially reminding me of TNM, which was why I was hesitant to vote him earlier. But now I realize that he has yet to show I've been noncommittal. He also just went along with me saying I was flipflopping though there hasn't been any evidence of it in thread in order to just push his crap against me along. it just seems like he's pulling stuff out of his *** and is trying desperately to get me lynched because it'd probably would save his scum partner cacti from the noose.

vote: chaco

still hella suspect of Ronike.

would like to hear from Frozen the most.

 

[Chaco]

Nothing but an OMGUS. I'm done with you, get lynched today or die tonight. Your choice, choose it wisely.