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[Ronike]

So you wanted to kill me directly after my vote on the wagon where I was pretty much the only person who bothered to add his opinion on other things (if Ronike flipped scum/town what my opinions would be) instead of just letting the quicklynch go by without any meaningful post for the day.

Mac asked you to answer why you wanted/did this. You have yet to answer, and have been saying "Oh, I'm playing this way for a reason." People asked you why you are playing this way and you say: "Not answering", to which people have gotten frustrated by your uncooperativness and voted you. Comprende amigo?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Unvote, Vote: Gheb

Would it kill you to give a reason?

Yes

I mean, i guess it's gonna kill you whether you give a reason or not then

i'm also gonna hold you to this response for when you do cave at actually give a reason

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Oui, je comprends mon ami.

And I still don't see what's the point of the question or why it's supposed to be important enough to wagon me down to L-2 for now answering. Yes, I wanted to kill him and I would've done so if I had the ability.

Since I confirmed now something that's already been blatantly obvious all the time will you guys bother to unvote me now?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

BBAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

super effective!

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman, there's actually a chance that giving a reason could kill me. Although it seems unlikely at this point.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Oui, je comprends mon ami.

And I still don't see what's the point of the question or why it's supposed to be important enough to wagon me down to L-2 for now answering. Yes, I wanted to kill him and I would've done so if I had the ability.

Since I confirmed now something that's already been blatantly obvious all the time will you guys bother to unvote me now?

why though?
what was so scummy about him that made you want to kill him?

This wagoning is important because otherwise people will think it's ok to just brush off questions like they're nothing. Not everyone can get away with that **** like i can.

and cuz yu being unhelpful is scummy and antitown.

also don't see how that answer could get you killed... elaborate?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

why though?

Don't have to deal with WIFOM bull later.

what was so scummy about him that made you want to kill him?

Miller claim and VIing D1.

also don't see how that answer could get you killed... elaborate?

Elaborating further on that WILL get me killed.

 

[KevinM]

Down with lynching either of these blatantly unhelpful people.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I love how you make it seem as if anybody has actually done something that could be even remotely considered as "useful".

 

[Nicholas1024]

Down with lynching either of these blatantly unhelpful people.

Who's the other one?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

And now the night shenanigans make sense.

First and foremost I'm ****ing ********. I COMPLETELY ****ed up who I thought Mon Mothma was character-wise when I said her being a pseudo cop doesn't add up. If Leia is a cop, Mon Mothma definitely fits the bill flavour wise. Both claims seem pretty legit IMO.

unvote: vote: Gheb_01

Frozen who's the play, how did your re-look at Ronike turn out?

Went back and looked over Ronike again like I said. Here's basically everything of substance from him D1:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240100&postcount=278
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240119&postcount=279
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240273&postcount=280
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240337&postcount=281
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240371&postcount=282
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9240373&postcount=283

Not all of the posts are by him, but you should get the point. Nick goes after him and Ronike basically blows him off. When's the last time you've seen Ronike that passive? I'd be hardpressed to go and find an example. Definitely does NOT seem like normal Ronike play, and more like cop play trying to lay low and not ruffle people's feathers. It's not much, but that's really all I've got.

As for how this applies to night results, with Nick as a claimed cop and Ronike blowing him off, a Ronike investigation is definitely predictable. With multiple cops having claimed (and fairly solid claims at that), would definitely NOT be surprised if we've got a non-normal cop on our hands or a framer of sorts. Flavour wise I'm leaning toward framer considering Leia doesn't really scream likely insane/paranoid cop at me, and with the Empire being, ya know, the Empire and ****, framing rebels seems to be right up the ally of many a potential scum character.

/end flavour speculation bull****

Like I said, no really strong or solid indicators but its basically a lot of little things that click to make Nick and Ronike look more TvT.

WTF is up Gheb's ***? Is he playing that ******* "I have a master plan lol ignore my blatant belligerence" style BS? I hate that ****, when people basically ASKED to be put on the chopping block and then pull the "OMG I'M TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM FAIL TOWN LOL" card when they get heat. Cut the **** dude.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

WTF is up Gheb's ***? Is he playing that ******* "I have a master plan lol ignore my blatant belligerence" style BS? I hate that ****, when people basically ASKED to be put on the chopping block and then pull the "OMG I'M TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM FAIL TOWN LOL" card when they get heat. Cut the **** dude.

I never said the underlined part.

I don't blame anybody for finding me suspicious and I'm fully aware that my recent posts don't help me in that regard. I still think that the whole "case" against me is massively blown out of proportion. Think about it: I simply choose to ignore a meaningless question that everybody who uses some common sense can easily answer themselves. If that's enough reason to wagon somebody to L-2 then I don't think anybody should expect a serious defense from me. How am I supposed to defend myself against votes without explanations or posts like "STILL SCUM" in the first place? I could understand it if there was some kind of basis for that whole argument but this just isn't scumhunting anymore - it's scapegoating.

 

[KevinM]

But you haven't tried scumhunting either.

You're openly being unhelpful while telling people to "stop pseudo scumhunting"

and never making a case, or an observation or anything all of D2.

You need to go.

Unvote
Vote Gheb

L-1

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright Gheb, you're at L-1. Time to be serious.

What was the deal with the refusing to answer Mac's question and just generally being dismissive and abrasive?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What just happened...
Sorry for being so inactive, I guess I missed the storm. Wondering how Gheb is gonna respond to being at L-1.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But you haven't tried scumhunting either.

I did D1. D2 I never got the chance to.

You're openly being unhelpful

As are Marshy, Macman, Meta-Kirby, Xiivi, Chaco and Scumfever. It's hypocritical to demand something of me that more of half of the game hasn't done period.

and never making a case, or an observation or anything all of D2.

I do have observations but I'm not in a position where I can point fingers at others. Putting me at L-1 won't change that. If you actually cared about my opinions and observation it you wouldn't put me at L-1 at the same time.

Frozen I have answered Macman's question already. I've been abrasive because that's how I play. I have been dismissive because I'm not the kind of player who likes to squander time by supporting stupid questions that anybody with half a brain can answer themselves. You guys act as I have dismissed legitimate discussion while in actuality I haven't done so at all. I have refused to answer a question that doesn't help in our discussion whatsoever and you want to put a rope around my neck for it? Good call.
It's obvious that you are not scumhunting and it's alarming that the town-alligned players on my wagon don't realize that. This makes me more suspicious of Kevin because he'd know better than to put me at L-1 for such a poor reason, especially since this is not D1 anymore and we already have a claimed Cop.

I challenge everybody on my wagon to answer this question: What have I done that deserves a wagon down to L-1? Dismissing a pointless question? Contributing less than everybody else (which I can already tell you is a flat-out lie). If you look for a scapegoat you should try harder or else your scum will be showing. If you look for scum you should try a LOT harder.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

unvote, vote: cacti

 

[#HBC | Mac]

stop saying that anyone with half a brain can answer/figure out the answer to the question I asked. How do you expect people to know why you wanted xiivi dead? Don't be dumb, this is how we play the game. Asking questions and ****.

Explain how the question was pointless and/or didn't pertain to finding scum. Stop being stubborn/closeminded

 

[Steel]

"Even I get boarded sometimes. You think I had a choice?"

13th Vote Count

Gheb_01 (5) - Cacti, Marshy, Xiivi, Nicholas1024, KevinM

Cacti (3) - Gheb_01, Ronike, Macman

Not Voting: (5) - Xonar, Frozenflame751, Scumfever, Meta-Kirby, Chaco

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

[M.K]

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As are Marshy, Macman, Meta-Kirby, Xiivi, Chaco and Scumfever. It's hypocritical to demand something of me that more of half of the game hasn't done period.

You just took all the people who haven't voted yet and said that we aren't doing anything to help this game? Please explain to me how voting is the clear definition between helping and not helping.
It's hard to help when you are so acting so crass towards the game in general.
If this is truly your "playstyle", than it's incredibly annoying. You aren't being SLY or SMART or CUTE with your one liners. In fact, it's almost the stupidest way to try and drive a point.

 

[M.K]

Pardon that first sentence. It's incorrect on a second glance.
But can you explain instead how the people named aren't contributing?

 

[KevinM]

FOS Macman

Afraid to stay on a wagon?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pardon that first sentence. It's incorrect on a second glance.
But can you explain instead how the people named aren't contributing?

Can you explain how they are contributing?

Kevin, who are your scumbuddies?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Macman I already explained D1 why.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Explain how the question was pointless and/or didn't pertain to finding scum. Stop being stubborn/closeminded

lol kevin dont be dumb

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Can you explain how they are contributing?

Kevin, who are your scumbuddies?

lol dumb.

if you claim people are not contributing it is up to you to show us how we/they arent contributing, not him to show us how they are.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

not really.

its hard to show how something is not happening. Up to people to prove their own worth

 

[DtJ Jungle]

thats fine. i'm saying the burden of proof would lie on him, not metakirby, thats all.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's impossible to prove something that isn't. The fact that nobody can show how any of the mentioned people have been useful is prove enough of them being not useful - aka useless. That's the most prove you can get for such a vague request.

Macman, I already said why the question is pointless: because I answered it D1 - before you even asked it.

So can we lynch Kevin and call it a day?

Unvote Vote KevinM

 

[KevinM]

Current top suspect remains Cacti.

Thinking Gheb is just dumb town.

unvote
Vote Cacti

 

[KevinM]

I think it's fairly obvious he wanted a reassessment btw, but you know you could just continue playing like an ******* and being detrimental to town, you're getting mad far with that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Kevin, Ronike, Nick

All three of you are part of a night investigation report toDay. What would in your opinion be the best way to handle this? In the hypothetical situation that we had to lynch one of you who'd you choose and why? Don't you think that - despite the fact that following a report isn't always a good idea on forumafia - we have to concern ourselves with this subject sooner or later? When we are in an endgame situation wouldn't it be a lot better if we've gotten rid of as much WIFOM muck as possible? Despite us not being forced to lynch one of you I'd say that now is a good time to discuss this at least.

@Nick

Would you agree with me that "insane" and "paranoid" aren't attributes that would fit your claimed character? I don't think people will believe either claim if Ronike flips town and I know I certainly won't. In terms of obtaining information - who do you think would be the most helpful lynch out of you three? Are you suspicious of anybody else?

@Ronike

In your report you mention that Kevin is an independently alligned "hired gunman". What role would you assume that to be? Do you think Nick's claim is a lie or is there something else that could've falsified his report? Can you give as a logical reason as to why your roleclaim has to be town alligned? You mentionedd that bigger games tend to have lots of independent roles. Since they're also a hinderance to the mafia wouldn't it be in the realm of possibility that your role could also be a mafia role?

@Xonar

Where are you? You are a pretty much a confirmed townie as your role has been confirmed and lines up with your nameclaim - not to mention that a mafia governor would be pretty broken. You have been fairly active in Monster Island Mafia. Any reason for your recent silence? It would be nice to know your opinion on what happened recently. Do yo think I'm scum or dumbtown? Do you think scum was on my wagon or not? Do you think I was scummy enough to justify a wagon down to L-1? What are your thoughts on Nick's and Ronike's reports? Do you find lurkers suspicious in this phase of the game?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I've been silent because I'm just disoriented, I'm kinda losing interest in SWF mafias lately too, and I hate it to always miss out on the conversation because of time differences.

I think you're town, with some fcked up role that requires you to be a ******, which makes it anti-town, so I would be ready to lynch you if you cross the line.
I do think scum is on your wagon, but I have my reasons for that. I'd rather not explain. I don't think you're scummy enough to go to L-1, but you ARE rather anti-town in my eyes.
The reports I honestly haven't looked into, which page are they on?
Lurkers, not really suspicious, I feel like there's a lot of 1v1 fighting going on or people are just away for exams (there are exams over here atm) so they're kinda inactive.

 

[Ronike]

I maintain out of the three of us, Kevin is the best lynch. I don't think I'm a straight up role cop, that seems like it would be broken and my pm specifically stated that it would helpful in finding independents. Not scum or anything else. So its hard to say without another investigation, but I don't think I would have been told if kevin weren't independent.

As for what role, I'd say he was Boba Fett, just like I said when I first claimed. The actual role should be pretty obvious: he's a general killing independent, like a serial killer or the like. I don't think that Nick's claim is a lie, nor do I think hes having a sanity problem. I think that its likely that the mafia has a lawyer to frame people, especially if I can investigate others.

As for why I HAVE to be town, unfortunately I can't give you a hard reason. I would point you to what seems to be my limitations, along with the general trend of having more independents than one in recent games, but I realize my claim still seems really odd. But hey, §teel's co-mod is the person to bring us the no-lose doc, the kingmaker, and Batman. Aren't odd roles a possibility?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Gheb
I do not think that I am insane/paranoid. As of today, I would be satisfied with a KevinM or a Ronike lynch. Should KevinM turn up town, Ronike would be an obvious next choice for a lynch. Should KevinM turn up some sort of indy, either Ronike's telling the truth (and we have a mafia framer), or there's a mafia stalker. If we lynched Ronike and he turned up town, KevinM would be next, but if he turned up mafia, that means we could semi-clear KevinM (town unless Ronike tried to bus his partner/ found an indie through a mafia stalker power...). So, as it stands, regardless of which one we lynch, we could be in for some wifom anyway.

 

[Xiivi]

If we're going to set-up speculate like that, Tom would probably put in a tailor+bookie. Always up for lynching someone who hasn't been wagoned yet like Meta-Kirby, but fine with Cacti/Kevin otherwise.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No Xiivi. This is exactly why I want you dead. Don't come up with your typical "hey I'm down for any wagon for no reason at all lololo" BS. Your posts have zero substance because they're either unexplained votes for the sake of bandwagoning or some "type each name in a different color" nonsense. If you were town and cared about winning you should stop this crap by now.

 

[Xiivi]

Your D2 contribution before "Daykill" shenanigans consisted of follow-the-cop wagoning, set-up/roleblocker speculation & telling Xonar there wasn't a N0. I can see you planned on being very productive before everyone got on your case.

 

[Xiivi]

I plan to do that with everyone, but since Nick had been mentioned thought it good to do him first.

My other suspect is CK, and he'll be next. Well now Xonar.

That would've made him look bad and given you far more heat to deal with. Best case would be you were able to defend properly, but at times it can be hard. Live and learn, you'll only get better.

Now, I plan on doing what I did to Nick with everyone tomorrow, but with more text on my part.

I wouldn't mind it, Marshy.

Almost dome compiling my junk, should be up later tonight or tomorrow at latest.

There's no reason in not testing it now that you've claimed it, plus it gives us a cleared townie.

Also, still adding up my scores and junk.

I'll drop hammer if need be, if Xonar won't hammer himself.

what happened with this btw?

 

[Chaco]

Xiivi, I've been V/LA for days now. I just got back. I have other things to tend to and I'll get junk posted later.