Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[DrewB008]

use both

i use A for uairs because of all the advantages you listed, and c stick for those late ones that require a delay anyway that will hit grounded opponents

also c stick for like running off plats or ledges and uairing is easier generally

 

[strangely mundane]

How should I be DIing Falco's up tilt? I was thinking away but that doesn't seem to work.

 

[Daedatheus]

So, do any good players normally do their uairs like this (using the A button), or am I just dumb and people have hands that can reach the c-stick earlier than me?

It's just so much harder to reach the C-stick in time for a uair unless your hand is pre-positioned beforehand (which is a stupid idea).

Ideally for the best speed, you should not be handling the C-stick with the tip of your thumb, just like you should be pressing A with the tip of your thumb. Ideally, the end of your thumb only presses the jump button you use (which, if it isn't Y, you should get into the habit of using as it is closer to everything), while the joints of your thumb press the other things.

While in position to press Y, the middle bend of your thumb usually fits perfectly over A and can access B quickly (although for some characters IE those with shines, sometimes using the end of your thumb for B is better for technical precision), and the joint at the bottom of your thumb, or at least close to there, can wield the c-stick without having to move too far.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

At low percentages for falcos dtilt I'm pretty sure you're just bum****ed for a bit.

Then my suggesting would be up an away

 

[skyheart]

where can i find vids for big d

 

[DtJ Jungle]

it's this new place called youtube
here i found the link

www.youtube.com

it has this cool search function. Type in Big D ssbm.

 

[metashinryu]

umm i have a big question here.

recently i have found my falcon gameplay stuck for a bit,i really think i cant learn more stuff other than mindgames and stuff(which i hate) and wanted to freshen up a bit and tried chicken for secondary,learnt some good falcos sh¡t(waveshining,pillaring etc) that im still practicing,and i found out that it REALLY improved my falcon gameplay,like,i can gentleman **** easy,spacing nairs **** now,faster and more fluid movement and all the crap you could think of improved dramatically as hell.

so my question is,does being technical and stuff can replace mindgames tricks,etc? cuz my falco gets good everytime i practice at home(and that somehow affects my falcon mobility) and my falcon gets worst(well not worse,bored as per say) everytime i start to practice crap on cpus,but gets hella better everytime i play real people(which i dont play very frequently) and i still dont think i can play falco to ppl till it gets better.

should i use the chicken as a training tool or something or i should start considering picking up falco,cuz i really have a facility learning *technical* stuff(hell,i learned drillshine practically 5 mins ago)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

What the **** is teh chicken.

And you shoudl have a balance of mindgames and techniqual stuff, never just one or the other.

 

[metashinryu]

What the **** is teh chicken.

And you shoudl have a balance of mindgames and techniqual stuff, never just one or the other.

chicken=falco man.was a joke XD

and i do have a balance of both,just that i like one more

 

[skyheart]

ata boy junglef, now i can just click the link and copy and paste then hit search

 

[Mokumo]

mindgames and technical skill go hand in hand with captain falcon because it takes a lot of technical skill to control him. chances are if you improve your technical skill and learn some trixies then your mindgames will improve too. I mean, the key to mindgames is setting up your opponent to put them in an bad position compared to you so that you can exploit their mistakes. I think if you're faster, it'll be easier to catch your opponent.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Hahahaha <3 skyheart.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I often use the chicken reference.

Heres the thing. Really the best is playing smart, and just outplaying your opponent with spacing, good use of mindgames, moderate tech. I think ppl can argue that this is unbeatable.

Tech skill allows you to do what it is that you want. What tends to happen is that either you play smarter than your opponent or you try to outtechskill them.

+Basically more techskill makes the game easier to play as far as controlling your character and doin what you want to do-All the way across the board.

If you are more technical then you can change your metagame to some more detailed micro actions because you have a higher level of precision +

More tech skill means diff gameplay and essentially easier as long as you have the spacing and basic knowledge of the metagame. Go for both
[I feel that whole thing was poorly worded ]

 

[DrewB008]

youre better off typing bigd without the space

actually its probably about even

prepare to be disappointed

 

[skyheart]

that's ok i know someone who only allows vids of himself getting ***** on youtube

 

[DrewB008]

i wish that was my excuse

 

[skyheart]

well you aren't good enough to s******

 

[DrewB008]

first off where did this hostility come from

second off i cant figure out what you typed to make s****** show up, i dont think ive heard of that word

 

[skyheart]

no hostility, read wrong

 

[No_Face]

scar why did you beat me in falcon dittos at chu's


baaaaw

 

[skyheart]

when you are running at an opponent, say you sh and dair, cstick or down+A

 

[Mokumo]

it depends on where I want to land :-P

 

[DrewB008]

c stick is generally easier, i can do both about evenly, c stick helps a lot with dairs from up higher though so you can time the fastfall right when you want it

 

[skyheart]

yeah that makes sense, that's one of the things i've noticed myself struggling with, i feel that i could be a lot faster

 

[4% APR]

well you aren't good enough to s******

yeah for real, what is that word?

 

[skyheart]

don't worry about it, let's focus on falcon related things

 

[DrewB008]

sandbag would make sense

but thats not a censored word

 

[Scar]

swf doesn't censor partial words does it? sdouchebag

nope

 

[DrewB008]

does it normally censor douchebag

edit: nice test scar

s****** is the right length

 

[Scar]

DrewB008 please return to normal Captain Falcon discussion, this is your second warning. Regulation of SWF is enforced by handing out infractions, which can potentially lead to a forum ban.

We value your membership.

 

[skyheart]

when should i use the light shield with falcon? and when you are infront of fox, as in right in front of the character, what is the best thing to do as they are shielding?

 

[Scar]

fox prob isn't shielding if he's in front of you, but if he is the best option would be to run up and grab him, or if he expects that run up and do nothing and punish his mistake, but he can nair OOS which would suck

idk fox has too many options it all depends on the player and their individual weaknesses, there really are no hard and safe rules besides after dairs and other times when they are vulnerable and in stun etc

light shielding is dumb, bigD when do you light shield

 

[skyheart]

mmm fox is by far my hardest matchup, i just can't get around some of the stuff, i guess i'll keep trying at it, sometimes it just feels hopeless

 

[DrewB008]

light shield fox's dash attack and he wont end up behind you, and for edgeguarding marth

BAM

edit: ive seen that light shielding fox's dash attack thing happen but no promises on whether or not it actually works with falcon

light shield with dk

 

[skyheart]

with dk??? what do you mean

 

[Oracle]

DK has a small shield. It's unrelated haha

Is F-Tilt angled up a useful launcher? I know it works on another captain falcon from a D throw at mid percents, leads to a nice, easy up air->knee combo.

 

[DrewB008]

its ok but i think its really hard to get the timing to follow it up

cooler combo: uthrow normal ftilt in falcon dittos at like 50-60%, most people will miss the tech because they hit L/R to tech the throw at the same time they got ftilted, free knee

 

[Mogwai]

Scar can Falcon beat Fox, Falco or Shiek, ever?

DrewB008 please return to normal Captain Falcon discussion, this is your second warning. Regulation of SWF is enforced by handing out infractions, which can potentially lead to a forum ban.

We value your membership.

this is probably my favorite post on smashboards ever.

for the record, some words are censored when they appear within others like the f bomb:

****tard
****hole

*** is not though, since it would interfere with a whole lot of real words like assassin.

 

[Strong Badam]

light shield with dk

the best dk advice i've read on this forum

i like randomly tech-chasing people with a character I don't use based on reading skills and then doing a tapion combo.

 

[Scar]

Scar can Falcon beat Fox, Falco or Shiek, ever?

ok so this is a reaaaally good question, im hoping we get more like these

captain falcon loses to all of these characters so the short answer is no.