Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Aussierob123]

wtf s2j BANNED AGAIN?

 

[Walt]

what the fuuuuuuuuuuuck. you think he would have built up a banning immunity by now.

 

[Kanelol]

you think the mods would stop trying by now

 

[Windrose]

Wow....


10 wows.

 

[thumbswayup]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL hbweryi4w54g5346

idk if johnny made morpheus his avatar before or after this post but idc LOL

Before, that's why I made the post hahaha

 

[$mike]

sup guys

my combo video "Payday" is being released this monday

it would be beneficial for each and every one of you to find yourselves to the video when it's online

discuss

 

[Dark Hart]

uhhh my Samus ***** you mr. $mike

 

[$mike]

lol dark hart it's not funny to joke about something when in reality you get ****ed more than a thai hooker

shoutouts to scar

 

[ETWIST51294]

Hold up, where the ***c did Johnnys post go?

 

[JPOBS]

Hold up, where the ***c did Johnnys post go?

Big Brother is always watching.

 

[Windrose]

Can't you just upload the combo video today? =/ I want to see it now!!!!!!!

 

[ETWIST51294]

Imma re write it cuz im a falcon bro.

"metalrefectslime infracted me for flaming (legit)

but then he had to be a ****** and search for an old *** post to infract me on just to make sure i get banned."

eat a **** *****.

 

[Windrose]

I don't know what the back story is behind s2j vs the smashboard moderators but it'd be nice if he didn't get banned all the time w/e the reason is....

He is the most active pro falcon on the boards and it's hard to get advice from him when he's constantly banned... lol

 

[ETWIST51294]

I mean, he's always been banned a good bit but since that MRL dude became a mod he gets banned all of the ****ing time.

 

[Windrose]

Oh well....

On an unrelated note,

has anyone noticed how scar has been using getup attack from the ledge a lot lately? Especially as a replacement for rolling from the ledge. I first noticed this in his recent games against marth, he'd always use get up attack from the ledge instead of rolling...

I also noticed non of the top falcons use light shield edge guard against marth.. Is grabbing the ledge better or something?

 

[$mike]

good marths know how to get around the light shield edgeguard when they see it coming - edgeguarding good marths involves a lot of baiting/tricks to **** their reaction. that's why you don't ever see high level falcons simply sitting by the edge in light shield. it is occasionally used though, more notably by darkrain

personally i use the light shield as a bait to make marths think i'm actually going to use it when they up b, then i go bair them

or if they're dumb enough to fall for it then i just pretend like im gonna bair, then i light shield

 

[CaptainNanD0]

yea bait vs marth is really good, what i do now is jump up and down from the ledge then bair when i know they wanna go onstage, i think it's better then letting them get on cause they can DI the knee and live, bair kills them since it takes their jump and hits pretty hard

 

[Juggleguy]

Oh well....

On an unrelated note,

has anyone noticed how scar has been using getup attack from the ledge a lot lately? Especially as a replacement for rolling from the ledge. I first noticed this in his recent games against marth, he'd always use get up attack from the ledge instead of rolling...

I also noticed non of the top falcons use light shield edge guard against marth.. Is grabbing the ledge better or something?

Something most people don't know: ledge getup attack has almost the same number of "edgehog frames" as rolling does. It's an excellent replacement for rolling from the ledge, especially if you're not quite sure if they'll make it. Just ledge getup attack and you'll either hit them back off stage for another edgeguard opportunity or you'll still "steal" the edge from them as they plummet to their death.

 

[Gahtzu]

**** it just uthrow them near the edge around 30% -> double uair -> simply grab edge-> stock

 

[Aussierob123]

full jump uair to falling knee > double uair.

 

[JPOBS]

good marths know how to get around the light shield edgeguard

I honestly think, when done right, theres no way to get around it. Assuming the marth has to Up-B, the lightshield edgehog will always work. and by work, i mean either steal the ledge and kill them directly or force them onstage where you can do ledgehop dairs, knees and death combos.

the downside is that its uses less if the marth can DJ or airdodge to the edge/stage.

and yea, theres other ways to edgeguard marth anyway, but LS is pretty effective when used correctly. the marth can't directly avoid it through his own actions.

 

[Mizar]

yea bait vs marth is really good, what i do now is jump up and down from the ledge then bair when i know they wanna go onstage, i think it's better then letting them get on cause they can DI the knee and live, bair kills them since it takes their jump and hits pretty hard

this is also in isai's bag of tricks, it even looks cool

I honestly think, when done right, theres no way to get around it. Assuming the marth has to Up-B, the lightshield edgehog will always work. and by work, i mean either steal the ledge and kill them directly or force them onstage where you can do ledgehop dairs, knees and death combos.

the downside is that its uses less if the marth can DJ or airdodge to the edge/stage.

and yea, theres other ways to edgeguard marth anyway, but LS is pretty effective when used correctly. the marth can't directly avoid it through his own actions.

you're probably right, I don't think theres a way to get around it
as you said, it either kills marth or makes him land on the edge followed by getting ***** in the face

 

[$mike]

I honestly think, when done right, theres no way to get around it. Assuming the marth has to Up-B, the lightshield edgehog will always work. and by work, i mean either steal the ledge and kill them directly or force them onstage where you can do ledgehop dairs, knees and death combos.

the downside is that its uses less if the marth can DJ or airdodge to the edge/stage.

and yea, theres other ways to edgeguard marth anyway, but LS is pretty effective when used correctly. the marth can't directly avoid it through his own actions.

it'll definitely work if they're already at a point when they need to up b into it, lol. once they're in that position, there's nothing they can do to dodge it. but that's not what i was saying

i was saying that it's easy to get around if they see it coming, have their second jump and are still above you when recovering. the only exception to this is when they knocked out really far, in which case they can't do anything about it despite how obvious it may be.

 

[Tomacawk]

jpobs is right, but lightshield ledge hogging works even if they airdodge onto the stage. wait for it and ledgehop dair or knee.
fun fact, if marth fairs your shield with their dj and forces you onto the ledge, just edge hog them because 99% of marths are going to sweetspot the ledge or up b as soon as they see you try to get more ledge invulnerability
just edge hog datass

 

[JPOBS]

oh yea i forgot about that, you can also bair their airdodge on reaction.

 

[DJ Nintendo]

Nando knows how gay my Marth is against Falcon lol. Although you've gotten mad good against the character.

 

[Kuro Neko]

I love get up attack from the ledge.

 

[Divinokage]

Nando knows how gay my Marth is against Falcon lol. Although you've gotten mad good against the character.

To be fair, isn't that the case vs all your characters? I felt that your Samus was gay vs Ganon lol.

 

[Aussierob123]

Why would someone LS edgeguard marth if he's recovering high and has his second jump still lol. That person deserves to get owned.

 

[Walt]

holding edge > ledgehop > waveland off bair is **** against marth. not an every time edgeguard but a good mixup one to do. waveland off turnaround knee is also ****.

 

[Kanelol]

who stays on the ledge when they're edgeguarding

go out there with a weak knee/u-air/d-air (or all three)

i don't play that waiting ****

 

[Walt]

Doing all three is legit man. FUDair is king ballar.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Soft knee>Uair>Raptor boost is god.

 

[Jake13]

holding edge > ledgehop > waveland off bair is **** against marth. not an every time edgeguard but a good mixup one to do. waveland off turnaround knee is also ****.

Iono about the turnaround kne but waveland bair it like my fav trick

Thanks to isai for another useful bit of flash

 

[Divinokage]

Flashy FTL imo. =/

 

[DJ Nintendo]

To be fair, isn't that the case vs all your characters? I felt that your Samus was gay vs Ganon lol.

I guess so lol.

 

[Roneblaster]

as metal reeper said

weak-knee, up-air, slam dunk

is the BEST falcon combo, IMO.

 

[JPOBS]

im a big fan of knee to nipple spike

 

[CaptainNanD0]

yo jpobs tmr me and hax will do that in teams at no johns, i grab. he knees, i nipple

Money time

 

[JPOBS]

lmfao get dat ish recorded.

i just realized how similar you look to ur avatar nando, idk if that was intentional but its hilariuous lol