Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Reaver197]

This is me dropzone dairing people. I can do the knee, but maybe I don't DI as much to the side or up as I do with the knee. That's probably it.

Also, surprise Randall combos. Deliciously unexpected.

 

[P.C. Jona]

so you were talking about

whether or not you could survive attempting a dropzone dair

not whether or not if you got hit by it, you could survive it

exactly wow some people

 

[Reaver197]

Yeah, man. You got what I was saying.

Also, the dair takes a couple more frames before you can jump again than the knee does. About 2 - 4 it seems.

 

[iamthemicrowave]

sup **** im in thailand paying for internet by the minute

dont have time to read questions

just wanted to say sup

sup dudezzzz

 

[P.C. Jona]

really?
because i figure if you can do a knee on fd and survive
and you can do a stomp on fd and survive

your double jump and up-b always go the same height so why not on yoshis?

but now that i think of it
sometimes you can land on the stage when you dropzone knee
soo
yea my bad
i still think its possible tho
probably need to be like frame perfect

 

[Tomacawk]

wtf are you doing in thailand
im so confident that you didn't post why previously that I'm not even gunna look back any pages

 

[KAOSTAR]

really?
because i figure if you can do a knee on fd and survive
and you can do a stomp on fd and survive

your double jump and up-b always go the same height so why not on yoshis?

but now that i think of it
sometimes you can land on the stage when you dropzone knee
soo
yea my bad
i still think its possible tho
probably need to be like frame perfect

I was thinking about it, I think its kinda dependent on their DI because it affects timing. If they try to DI down I think theres a good chance you may die because you are lower when it connects.

Sometimes they are higher, farther, whatever, but the timing is diff to knee or stomp and then you cant jump out.

Thats my guess really. Im pretty sure you can dropstomp if you dont fast fall and you stomp literally as soon as ur feet dont have ground underneat them.

 

[Reaver197]

Well, I only do the stomp if they DI down. If they do any other DI that leaves them higher, then I knee or bair them (depending).

I can do dropstomp everywhere else though. It's only Yoshi's where I seem to die before I can jump, unless Randall is there (yeah, Randall). But, yeah, I probably have to be frame perfect though, but I can do the knee there, so I thought I was close enough at it. Or hold up/right more on the stick while I do it.

Geh, I'll mess with it some more today.

Edit: Yeah, it's possible. I just suck at it. lol.

 

[BigD!!!]

4% i speak spanish and chinese son

im only gonna be in thailand for like 2 more days then im taking classes for the semester in dharamsala, india

google it

going to a thai kickboxing match tomorrow

 

[Mokumo]

why would you dropzone dair when you can knee them every time (unless they di away)?

 

[Meneks]

4% i speak spanish and chinese son

im only gonna be in thailand for like 2 more days then im taking classes for the semester in dharamsala, india

google it

going to a thai kickboxing match tomorrow

You really speak thai and chinese?
And bring back some biriyani from india...

 

[Reaver197]

why would you dropzone dair when you can knee them every time (unless they di away)?

For when they DI down. Or are at a low percent when you grab them on the ledge.

 

[P.C. Jona]

wrong answer

its just cuz its sexy
and unexpected, very unexpected

i remember the first time scar did it to me
i was pissed lol

 

[Mokumo]

you can DI down falcon's down throw? i thought you can only DI left or right because thats perpendicular.

if you do that to a fox that's half as good as pc jona then they'll meteor cancel it -> grab the edge before you -> shine spike

just knee them

it's still pretty sexy tho.

 

[P.C. Jona]

why would you compare me to a fox player

my fox is beast tho

all i do is walk and up smash
its unstoppable

 

[4% APR]

4% i speak spanish and chinese son

im only gonna be in thailand for like 2 more days then im taking classes for the semester in dharamsala, india

google it

going to a thai kickboxing match tomorrow

****, that sounds pretty cool. How is it over there?

 

[KAOSTAR]

you can DI down falcon's down throw? i thought you can only DI left or right because thats perpendicular.

if you do that to a fox that's half as good as pc jona then they'll meteor cancel it -> grab the edge before you -> shine spike

just knee them

it's still pretty sexy tho.

The word
d is perpendicular to left and right.
o
w
n
The throw bounces you and sends you degrees of forward.

You have to Di the direction you are sent not the name of the throw.

 

[BigD!!!]

meneks i speak spanish pretty well and can stumble through most situations in chinese, so it was kind of an exaggeration before

its pretty cool here my man 4%, street food is the ****

mokumo, dropzone dair alternative is basically as safe and as guaranteed as the knee so talking about the danger in dthrow dair then saying just knee is not great advice.

didnt wanna get too off topic

 

[Scar]

why would you dropzone dair when you can knee them every time (unless they di away)?

who are you playing that you can knee them every time

 

[Meneks]

meneks i speak spanish pretty well and can stumble through most situations in chinese, so it was kind of an exaggeration before

its pretty cool here my man 4%, street food is the ****

mokumo, dropzone dair alternative is basically as safe and as guaranteed as the knee so talking about the danger in dthrow dair then saying just knee is not great advice.

didnt wanna get too off topic

Thats pretty sick...
Well have fun in india I guess..
Are you quitting smash?
and do you plan on coming back?

 

[Mokumo]

who are you playing that you can knee them every time

after a dthrow at the ledge

if theyre at high percent and they DI in really well i usually go for the gentleman. maybe a tilt or something? if they don't DI, i knee them and hope i don't fastfall by accident and die, while they survive the knee. if they DI away i hog the ledge.

i mean i dont get the knee in every time but i usually try not to mess up my advantage

 

[g-regulate]

dropzone sucks anyway. high risk and doesn't always work.

 

[Strong Badam]

i have shinespiked someone while they were trying to dropzone knee me.

 

[P.C. Jona]

if your not stupid and you actually pay attention to their di
you dont go for a dropzone if its not gonna work

when you get a grab and do the throw quickly you basically got it because they dont have enough time
to di it

and sometimes if they di away, and theyre like fox/falco you can just fall off the edge double jump out and knee and **** them while they try to side b
but thats only if they double jump out immediately

um oh i was thinking
when they di away can you hit them if you drop off, double jump up air back on the stage or will it miss?

 

[GamerGuitarist7]

oryoucanmissthekneetheysidebsafelytotheedgeandthenbackairyouuntilyouloseyourstock.

 

[P.C. Jona]

yea back airs are gay
your right

 

[Mokumo]

i dont think you should try to hit them if they DI away. if they DI away it usually tells me that they know what they're doing, so i just hog the ledge and edgeguard from there.

dthrow -> stomp off the stage has worked for me against peach a few times in the past. you have to short hop though, you dont just run off.

 

[Ocho(*8*)]

dthrow -> stomp off the stage has worked for me against peach a few times in the past. you have to short hop though, you dont just run off.

Yeah, watch the latest SS vs Pink shinobi set, SS does that like 5 times in a row (mostly towards the end of the set if I remember).

its on HMW's channel

 

[Scar]

mokumo the point is that often times dthrow vs spacies leaves them too far below you to knee, so i just started to dair

i still knee if they DI the right way

also dthrow dair is good vs players that can't meteor cancel, but sadly since it combos out of the throw they still have their jump, so it's not going to work for long since sooner or later people are going to find out that if they smash up on the stick or press X or Y, they'll meteor cancel and then be able to upB

anyways wtf bigD you're in india? when are we gonna play smash

 

[P.C. Jona]

i still knee if they DI the right way

elaborate plz
so your telling me even if they di away, which is the right way, you go for the knee
or do you mean something else which i hope you do because if not im gonna be

 

[Roneblaster]

elaborate plz
so your telling me even if they di away, which is the right way, you go for the knee
or do you mean something else which i hope you do because if not im gonna be

he means if they di it correctly for him, which means it was the wrong di for them

(im guessing)

edit

This is me dropzone dairing people. I can do the knee, but maybe I don't DI as much to the side or up as I do with the knee. That's probably it.

Also, surprise Randall combos. Deliciously unexpected.

sigged

 

[Scar]

in other words if dropzone knee is going to work based on their DI, i still do it

it's not like i've totally forsaken dropzone knee

it's just that it doesn't always work so you have to improvise, upwards DI calls for run off uair - i did that yesterday in tourney for a kill

run off aerials is a really important part of finishing combos, you can't just say ok this one works sometimes let's make it our bread and butter, so when someone says "why dropzone dair" my answer is "because nothing else combos"

EDIT==============================================

on that earlier point about surviving run off dair, i would assume you can't survive it on yoshi's and at the very lease i'd say that it's very difficult to do so and not to be attempted in tournament

but sometimes when i run off dair i barely make the ledge, and other times i clear it pretty hard and land onstage

my assumption is that my timing is off either on when i start the dair or when i double jump, but i'm pretty sure i double jump very early so my best guess is that in trying to survive that, try to keep the timings tight for when you start the dair

 

[Magus420]

I'm pretty sure the total room for error on both starting the d-air as you leave the ground and jumping out of it is almost nonexistent on YS. If your timing is even the slightest bit off on either part you're going to die before getting the jump off.

 

[Strong Badam]

i am almost 100% sure that it's impossible to dropzone dair and survive on yoshi's
it's barely possible to even survive on other stages lol... the blastzone is too close to do it, but you can knee, uair or bair.

 

[Magus420]

Nah you can definitely survive if you time it right.

 

[Afro_Chris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40en-G4--VI&feature=PlayList&p=685029B923FA0DDA&index=0&playnext=1

hey i'm looking for some help in the ditto, any advice that can help my falcon to become better would be great, oh sry but some of the matches like messed up so i gotta reload them plz comment on the ones that are already posted tho

 

[Roneblaster]

edgeguard with something other than a scooped UAir
tech chase grabs to soften them up at lower % ?
practice gentlemans

 

[P.C. Jona]

yea up tilt edge guard is your friend
its so gay
i say its falcons only gay move
because it gimps like crazy

like if you get a grab facing off stage
you can down throw and then up tilt
to catch them trying to double jump knee back
because thats what everyone does..idk why

also you should try to tech chase with grabs early on instead of throwing out stomps and knees

 

[Reaver197]

Ah, ok. Thanks for the responses Scar and Magus.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I kept gettin naired by luigi and samus when I went to finish my combos with the knee.

Was I just ****ing up and being slow, or is that something that I should worry about when goin for the knee.

Most of the time this was with uairs going into knee, and it seemed like they got out pretty fast with that nair.