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[SA] Brawl Power Rankings v6.0 - UPDATE (7/12)

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@Aero

MK vs GaW = 50:50
Diddy vs GaW = 55:45
Snake vs GaW = 60:40
Marth vs GaW = 65:35 (dont even have to worry about this in Australia)
Everyone else can go and get absolutely ***** by the 2-D wonder kthx

theres some more 50:50 but w/e

Oh and Toon Link vs GaW = 60:40 :c
I mean srsly wtf. Doesnt matter in Aus though :D
 
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lol ghost u bad

GaW defeats Nado ... invalidates Nado!
GaW SDI is the BESSDI
so SideB and Jab and Usmash have never been punished so harshly

GaW kills MK so much earlier than the other way around
And we can kill up too
MK doesnt even kill up
Live forever with bucket breaking +1

and we can shark efficiently vs MK
And our offstage ***** him and our edgeguards with bacon and pro-ness are quite legit
MK edgeguards better than us but we still do it back
and MK has lots of gimps yah, but you can opt to recover high take some percent and not get gimped
or you can go low and if MK makes the tiniest mistake we can gimp him

GaW also enjoys being Above MK, Below MK, Level with MK, Diagonal to MK
MK can do some of those but if he's above us he is far more defenseless.
we also outrange him in the air

MK is puny.
 
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Ghost i have edited my previous post so read that

and yeah, I only play the best MKs.
Accept no imitations.
 
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Grim Tuesday said:
And despite all of those pros, he still gets wrecked by grounded shuttle loop.
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grounded shuttle loop and Nair OoS etc. is what brings it to even :reverse:
Also grounded shuttle loop is just a mind-battle

Will MK shuttle loop or not
do we want to running sheild UpBOoS
do we want to Bair space
do we want to bait it and set up an Uair
What if he does something else?

despite the fact if he gets it right, the shuttle loop is a potential kill move
we have the ability to Fsmash him when he touches the ground if we bait it right* and set ourselves up enough, and we have just as many options in the scenario to set that up.

*not if he has done SL in a way where he can land on a platform to cancel the shuttle loop instantly

@Ghost: It's obvious you weren't serious about 100:0 MK or the proposterous statement that VIC has anything but the best. However I still felt like explaining my point earlier of MK vs GaW being 50:50. I hope this is ok.
The information is there for your benefit and Grims too.
 
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lol ghost u bad
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:glare:
GaW defeats Nado ... invalidates Nado!
GaW SDI is the BESSDI
so SideB and Jab and Usmash have never been punished so harshly
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G&W doesn't defeat Nado unless the MK stuffs up or is super predictable, and SDI invalidates G&W's back-air so yea :p
GaW kills MK so much earlier than the other way around
And we can kill up too
MK doesnt even kill up
Live forever with bucket breaking +1
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Until MK shuttle loops you.
and we can shark efficiently vs MK
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Indeed
And our offstage ***** him and our edgeguards with bacon and pro-ness are quite legit
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Indeed
MK edgeguards better than us but we still do it back
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Indeed
and MK has lots of gimps yah, but you can opt to recover high take some percent and not get gimped
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And get shuttle looped forever until you die.
or you can go low and if MK makes the tiniest mistake we can gimp him
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And then you're sitting on the ledge against MK.....

GaW also enjoys being Above MK
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Shuttle loop
Below MK
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true
Level with MK
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Depends
Diagonal to MK
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Depends
MK can do some of those but if he's above us he is far more defenseless.
we also outrange him in the air

MK is puny.
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True, but getting him above you is hard.
Puny = small = harder to hit = :(

Anyway it's like 65:35 MK's favour imo (+2 MK), hard to overcome but not impossible.
 
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Vinnee Uairs MK out of Nado if he's at the bottom, and it's easy to UpB it from most points in the main cylinder of nados hitbox, and if you're on the edges you can escape first and UpB. due to the large horizontal area level with GaW that is still a windbox, this is possible with UpB and Uair.
And no, unlike Vinn i dont get those uairs from the bottom of the nado.
But I'm a scrub, I can't blame GaW for that now can I?

If you hit with anything more than the last 2 hits of GaWs Bair you are a massive scrub.
Although you can get away with more if it's a retreating Bair.

Yes Shuttle Loop does kill up. But that initial upwards killer hit only hits on the ground and GaW can avoid it if he expects it. MK often resorts to other options that kill horizontally because of this.

Shuttle looped forever? L2airdodge/bait/usebrain
I mean if you get hit because of poor thinking and reflexes then you cant blame G-dubs

Yeah you are sitting on the ledge vs MK. I said MK edgeguards as strongly.
It's an issue, it can be overcome, but its defintely one of the (few) points in MKs favour.

Shuttle loop? When GaW is above? LOL.
I LOVE IT WHEN MKS DO THAT. <3

they're all true.

MK can be popped up with a sheild poke on last hit of Bair
PS -> UairOoS when he uses some aerials (you can do this right after he Dairs you but is hard)
Nair Chain -> Utilt (or more Nairs)
whiffed Utilt somehow
And he just ends up there sometimes, you know how it is.

Being small doesn't make it that much harder really. It's a non-issue imo.
Like Oli is small and his grab covers everything at his height, if he was tall that'd be better
But MK doesnt really work like that and it doesn't matter.

I only vaguely understand the (+#) way of doing MUs (now now dont bother explaining)
I prefer 00:00
in this case I'd say 50:50 :D

edit: btw i replied to your points in order but i didnt specify which points
eh you can work it out its pretty obvious imo (then again i did write it.)
 
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Well, Shaya
Marth outspaces and shuts down GaW
I mean GaW juggles marth well, offstage game far better
But Marth just puts up this wall of infinite range and shuts down GaW. He has no oppurtunity for success.
Dean almost beat me at ACL. The first game I won on 120% last stock D:
I'd have to worry about him, but he's dropping Marth.

You dont have to worry because there are no marths.
and pocket marth isnt a legitimate substitute vs GaW, that'd be 50:50 since GaW can abuse some things if Marth allows.

SA has no Marths.

And you... Do you even play anymore JP lol?
Pretty confident vs you anyway. Grim probs wont be overcoming you with GaW anytime soon tho
Pocket MK that shiz though easy peasy

Now earl has a pocket Marth and it does just as good against me as his MK.
However in tournament him using Marth is risky as its less consistant than his MK,
so he uses MK, which is much more fun for all involved anyway.

Yep dont need to worry about marth in Australia.

Only MKs and Diddys and Snakes
it's how it is in VIC
and im pretty sure thats how it is in SA
And that's what counts. For Grim.

.. im not going to hell ;C

ps. Grim will just use MK if he fights a marth anyway im guessing, lol.
 
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a noble cause and still possible.
However I feel the match-up of MK vs Marth is not exaggerated enough despite already considered largely in MKs favour. I'd prefer my free win kthx
 
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Aerodrome said:
I feel that MK goes even with MK.

MK always wins. :awesome:

Edit: Splice, what are Princess Martha's match ups compared to G&W?
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Against the higher tiers? imo:
~40:60 Meta Knight
~55:45 Snake
~45:55/40:60 Diddy Kong
~50:50 Falco
~45:55 Ice Climbers
~55:45/60:40 Wario Olimar Pikachu
~45:55 King Dedede
~50:50/55:45 Lucario Zero Suit Samus Toon Link
~60:40 Mr. Game & Watch
 
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Marths MUs (marth is on the left)
30:70 Meta Knight
40:60 Snake
40:60 Diddy Kong
55:45 Falco
45:55 Ice Climbers
65:35 Wario
60:40 Olimar
60:40 Pikachu
50:50 King Dedede
60:40 Lucario
60:40 Zero Suit Samus
60:40 Toon Link
65:35 Mr. Game & Watch

^^A few of these have knowledge and experience behind them
Most are assumptions, as i dont know Marth much outside of his MUs vs GaW and MK.


Mr G&W MUs (Mr GaW is the number on the left)
45:55 Meta Knight
40:60 Snake
40:60 Diddy Kong
55:45 Falco
60:40 Ice Climbers (though its one of the easies CGs for ICs, and the GaW boards would disagree)
65:35 Wario
55:45 Olimar (Olimar has to work 5x harder and idk how much GaW ***** if he is really patient. this MU is if GaW plays agro.)
60:40 Pikachu
65:35 King Dedede
62:38 Lucario
55:45 Zero Suit Samus
40:60 Toon Link
35:65 Marth

OH YEAH
Dekar
I forgot about him
he uses GaW and Marth too
He is a little difficult I guess but its the same as Shaya for me, im not worried.

Grim, Dekar is your obstacle with GaW.

lolol is it that hard to put the circle thingy on the MK button?
 
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Marth's look consistantly better than G&W's. Apart from MK, which I'd disagree that Marth has less options than G&W. But I'm unsure about that.

Omg, the PSN network is still down.
 
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I'm pretty sure that on my lists GaW and Marth are pretty much equal, until the last 3 where Marth does far better.

Except imo MK Hard Counters Marth, which is a pretty big deal.
I don't think Marth has many options as GaW. He probably has a better approach game and ground game in the MU.
But in turn he is even easier for MK to approach, and gets combo'd harder/takes more damage when MK gets an opening.
He also can't compete as well offstage and i'd argue is easier to land a kill move on, easier to pressure as Marth can't deal with as many situations as
GaW imo, and he's easier to get gimps on.

Marth hard counters GaW though

So he's probs a better char.
But a lot of characters between them on the tier list need to bugger off.
 
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Do you have MSN, Aero?

And just because everyone else is doing it:

Jigglypuff's MUs (Puff on the left):
Meta Knight: 40:60
Snake: 30:70
Diddy Kong: 55:45 (LGL), 60:40 (No LGL)
Falco: 45:55 (LGL), 70:30 (No LGL)
Marth: 40:60
Ice Climbers: 50:50
Wario: 40:60 (LGL), 60:40 (No LGL)
Olimar: 40:60
Pikachu: ??:??
King Dedede: 40:60 (LGL), 60:40 (No LGL)
Lucario: 50:50
Zero Suit Samus: 50:50
Toon Link: ??:??
Mr. Game & Watch: 25:75
 
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Rofl Marth doesn't lose that bad to MK.
I've beaten every MK in Australia bar Earl (I've only played him in one tournament set, ever :'()
I only have losing records against Earl (^ one set only) and Amaterasu (even though our last two encounters I won pretty strongly).

It's an even match up, scrubs.

Also lol @ Marth losing to snake.
 
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No-ones going through Puffs Mason

ah well
I guess you are wasting your time just that little bit more than the rest of us
just had to go that little bit further
also where is GaW?

@Shaya: Losing record to Earl and Amaterasu
So uh, you're saying you beat the Metaknights in Sydney? It's not quite the same.
Apart from those scrubs, you beat Aled in one set. Unconvincingly i might add. And in 2009 anyway.
I dont think it's easy for MK, but I think there is a lot a skilled MK can abuse imo.

And dude i dont know about any of your MUs except vs GaW and MK and a bit about Wario.
I just thougth about those MUs fundamentals of characters quicksmart. idk the whole story of every MU.
 
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Shaya's not basing that statement off of his personal experience solely, he'd be factoring in other examples of high-level play to back his theories. Taking this into account an even matchup is not unplausable but I don't think it's quite even.

I don't know why Aero asked you about your opinions of Marth when I have about two years experience as a Marth main and Shaya has about three, compared to your approximately 0.
 
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Yeah I do, Grim. It's Princess_zelda_is_hawt(at)hotmail(dot)com

Since we're all doing it, I'm putting Zelda's match ups here:

85:15 MK
75:25 Snake
70:30 DKong
70:30 Falco
75:25 Marf
55:45 IC
0:100 Wario

cbf with the rest.

Edit:

Pezza said:
I don't know why Aero asked you about your opinions of Marth when I have about two years experience as a Marth main and Shaya has about three, compared to your approximately 0.
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Don't worry. I was only asking for his justification of why he thought G&W > Marth.
 
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Ignoring the fact that you need someone at the top of the metagame of their own character to make that comparison valid..

ZSS:Jiggs is nowhere close to even, are you kidding?
 
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My training partner used to play Jiggs.

And I actually know my character flowchart.

IF character must be in the air to play
AND is not Marth, MK, Wario
ZSS wins the matchup

It's pretty much as simple as that.

Also not here to gloat, but I am probably better than Apollo, and I'm also active in my character community.

If you want to actually get nitty gritty with the MU details I'm fine with that.
 
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