[SA] Brawl Power Rankings v6.0 - UPDATE (7/12)

[Grim Tuesday]

Who was your training partner? I'm skeptical...

Come to Reloaded and I'll money match your ZSS

 

[Zero]

Summoner, he doesn't post anymore/never posted.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

...Was he actually good...?

 

[Zero]

Better than you.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

...You've never even played me...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Now now, play nice.

 

[Zero]

DJB can vouch for him

 

[Grim Tuesday]

This guy, right?

I can't just believe that he is a better Jigglypuff than me without ever seeing him play, lol.

 

[Shaya]

IF character must be in the air to play
AND is not Marth
ZSS wins the matchup

heuheuhehueuheu

let's play some brawl sometime soon andrew.
****ing screw your study. Party hard.

 

[Zero]

That's a little egotistical.

@Shaya: ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh maybe

 

[Grim Tuesday]

A little egotistical? A few posts ago you said that he is better than me! Lol

Anyway, what ratio would you give it?

 

[Zero]

-1 at BEST for Jiggs, I would personally say a -2.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What do you feel she has that gives her such an advantage over Puff?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

up air. lol

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Yes, because a character with one of the highest aerial mobilities in the game and a move that almost stops her in the air for a second that can be used infinitely for stalling is susceptible to Zamus' Uair

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Trust me, that move is raaaaaape.

 

[Zero]

Because of uair in the air and because of dtilt on the ground.

Everyone is susceptible to ZSS' uair.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

That's true, but Aero seemed to be implying that that move alone destroyed Puff.

I'm gonna find ZSS' frame data and hit-boxes for Dtilt, then I'll get back to you, just a sec.

 

[Zero]

comes out on 5, ends on 29 iirc

definitely safe on Jiggs shield when spaced well enough.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Err... no, lol.

This thread says that the hit-box is out for 3 frames xD

And it has meh advantage, I can't imagine it being safe on shield.

I can't really judge how useful it is in the MU seeing as I have no idea how big the hit-box is, though the frame data doesn't cast it in a very impressive light :/

 

[Zero]

Most ZSS mains consider dtilt in their top 3 moves, with uair and dsmash.

Frame data is not the grand arbiter of utility.

Turn on your Wii and try it.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Will do.

I'm definitely not saying it's bad, I'm sure the hit-box makes up for it's average frame data.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Nah I wasn't implying it destroyes low tiers, but it's pretty close imo to being the only tool she needs.

It has the biggest disjointed hitbox for any up air in the game. It's dumb.

Dtilt has a huge hitbox and a very, very low hurtbox. It's safe on shield if spaced properly, similar to how her D-smash (which is a fudgetonne slower) is also safe on shield.

/randomknowledge

 

[zApollo]

Most ZSS mains consider dtilt in their top 3 moves, with uair and dsmash.

Good thing you said most, I find b-air considerably useful after u-air. Not really here to start up a character discussion though.

No changes will be made to the rankings list until SGX, so any requests to be removed/lowered from the list will not be considered until then.

 

[SethT]

ZSS = Side B over all

:>

just quietly of course.

 

[Shaya]

zss dtilt's marths shield?

oh baby.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Zelderp's Din's Fire > all

:>

 

[SethT]

Zelderp's Din's Fire > all

:>

quoted for truth

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Ok, seems like a good disjoint on Dtilt... Nothing that would warrant a +2 though :/ Puff can dair through it with her disjoint, shield grab it if she is close enough, power-shield it > aerial or time a jump OoS > aerial.

In Puff's favour, I guess I'll bring up how well she can pressure ZSS with constant SH aerials, can avoid Dsmash very well, and forces ZSS to use quite predictable KO options.

 

[SethT]

Lil'Nova?




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[Grim Tuesday]

Apparently, I have to take over Nova's job in the PR panel of being short with people, lol.

 

[SethT]

kaaaa~i :D

 

[Ghostbone]

Soo uhh

This thread somehow became a match-up discussion thread?

Better than what it was before I guess lol.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Leisha]

This is still going?

lulz

I checked this before and now its gained another 5 pages =P

Anyway, rob is sexy.

 

[Ghostbone]

ROB gets infinited by Captain Falcon

Not sexy.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Getting anything from Captain Falcon is sexy. How dare you lie to us.

 

[Ghostbone]

Captain Falcon is sexy.

R.O.B. isn't.

 

[Splice]

Because Mason mentioned M2K experienece
I decided to write up my M2K experience
Just for fun.
So deal with it.

I played M2K about 6~ times.
The first game we played I took first stock and came close to winning. He obviously trolling.

Aside from that I didnt get 3 stocked once (not 100% sure on this) and took him to last stock maybe one other time.
At the start of our short session he was gimping me heaps, but I started recovering higher to deal with this or taking less vulnerable routes to the edge and he didnt end up doing anything more than chip damage after that.

iirc he complained about GaWs Dsmash once

And I gimped him once.

I also remember I asked him for critique and he said he couldnt think of anything, he isn't a GaW main.

That was my M2K experience. The end.

ALSO
Aerodrome; I never meant to say GaW was a better character than Marth... I'm not sure what made you think that.

 

[Zxv]

I wanna verse Zero with Jiggs now.