Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[ranmaru]

No no, no voting oneself at all. Everyone else vote him. Cello don't vote yourself, not that I'd care. But we want to catch scum voting you, so make yourself useful by NOT voting yourself.

Also Cello, don't forget this. If you are town you'd follow this.

 

[ranmaru]

Even if you believe me to be/are trying to portray me as scum, it is empirically better to lynch Ranmaru before me. If I were scum, then my faction would lose regardless. If you continue this pursuit, when I am lynched toMorrow, then I shall vote you on Day 5 and NEVER take it off. I've said this before, but I mean it now.

Also, I don't think that would be helpful to town. Why would you vote him if he only is suspicious of you?

Cello, what do you think of J? Of Smarg? (Did you vote her at all yesterDay? Why or why not?) What do you think of Swords? July?

 

[ranmaru]

J, I need more discussion from you. I feel as though you left the vote on Cello, and didn't really have anything else to add.

Swords, I see you there. Please post thoughts.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I really don't want to risk this game on a Cello lynch, so Ran toDay.

Not going to vote him now though. Since I want him to be dead by the end of toDay already, placing my vote on him now would be pointless.

Swords, did you ever get an answer from J? I know Gord answered soon after, but I didn't see anything from J on it.

Did you ask him again?

Also, why do you think J tried to shut July down? J said that she should make a case. Then, said cases were scummy (to intimidate July into not making a case)

I then asked J why this was so, and he responded with "How is this relevant to the game?"

Yet you, Swords, didn't ask about that.

Just some thoughts.

1 & 2: No, I did not. I thought Gord's answer was good enough.

3: I did not really consider J to be trying to shut down options. I thought J was accusing July of doing something scummy, or at least planning on doing something scummy. Kind of on the same note that if someone said they were going to do "action x," which someone else thought was scummy, they would point it out to them, if you catch my drift.

I suppose J might have trying to discourage July, but I doubt it.

4 & 5: Wait, which part did you ask him it? 1&2 or 3?

Hey Sword Dancer. Third time I see you there. Would you like to post in the discussion?

Yeah, sorry, before I posted I went to breakfest with my family and then lunch afterwards.

however this is my first time viewing the thread today though.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ran what makes you think I'm scum?

Also do youy think J was shutting down options? Your post made it sound like that.

 

[ranmaru]

That's fine. I just won't be voting myself. I'll answer those questions soon.

 

[#HBC | J]

I just get home to all this and bleeeck. Ran/Cello? Really lol?

Ryyyyyyker D= Where is you? They being mean to me. ;~;

 

[ranmaru]

Ran what makes you think I'm scum?

Also do youy think J was shutting down options? Your post made it sound like that.

Well I was thinking that you could be scum because of not following up on J and instead following it up with Gord. Although this is minimal because I know Smarg is scum, so there can only be one left.

Yes, I do think he is trying to shut down options.

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July, why is your vote not on me like you said you would be making a case on me toDay? Picking on the easy wagon? Nice.

Pressuring July to vote. Is right about July picking the easy wagon.

Kay, my vote rests on you till you get it.

Vote: July

More pressure.

I don't see why though July.

Your explanation is weak and just seems like a way to hop on the Joey wagon without seeming like a bandwagoner but still reeks as such.

Is right about July hopping onto Joey.

July what if someone were to tell you, "cases are scummy."

What would you say as you are preparing that case against me?

This right here, is J trying to intimidate July into not making the case.

@J: Well, by definition a case is only scummy if its done by someone who is scum, so I'm not concerned. Also, unless they were like the god of mafia...or like confirmed town telling me not to make a case...I wouldn't listen to them.

Did you know that most veteran DGamers consider cases scummy?

I see this post. So I am curious why he brought it up, I ask him.

@J: State why veterans consider cases scummy please.

Right here.

Relevance to this game is...? Why don't you question me on something better.

Yes he says it isn't relevant, when it is. He contradicted himself.

It's not that cases are scummy. It's that-

July, I wanna see your case.

Gord was a bit confusing here, his fault though.

Seems someone sees what I mean.

Agrees with Gord.

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Yet I don't know why He asks Ryker to comfort him. Also he didn't have to worry about July's case since it was only a playbyplay.

Swords, you didn't really question J at all about this. What do you think?

 

[#HBC | J]

=o I can to attack that post as well?

Yay.

 

[ranmaru]

Sure, go ahead. : ]

 

[#HBC | J]

Do I have to make a case why Ran is town too?

Lol not at the moment I'll just get to toDay's posts.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I didn't feel and don't feel that I really had to follow up on J, since Gord gave the answer which I just kind of considered to be the answer.

So I actually went back to look at what you are talking about. Yes I think it's slightly scummy for J to just deflect your question like that. I say only slightly thought because that's just one instance of isolated scummy behavior from J, and it doesn't amount to much.

However, since I looked beck I noticed that you didn't really pursue it either, so I don't see why you're getting on me for this. Why do you feel that I should comment on this?

Do I have to make a case why Ran is town too?

Sure, go ahead.

 

[July]

@J, please answer my 1439. I would like Ryker to answer it too but I want to hear your opinion first.

@Swords: The problem with your point #3 is that J said he was going to make a case against me. The next Day J asks me where my case is and where my vote is, which I don't remember saying I was going make or do, in that order. But I decide a case against J was well deserved, and then J inferred I was planning to do something scummy (make a case) even though he had said he would have to make a case against me to get me lynched just the day before. This is why it seems like J was shutting down options rather than pointing out scummy behavior.

Swords, opinion on KevinM?

 

[#HBC | J]

Sure, go ahead.

Thing is, I don't want to xD

I mean it's kiiindof obvious I guess but meh.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J, please answer my 1439. I would like Ryker to answer it too but I want to hear your opinion first.

I'm getting to it D=

 

[July]

Lol kk J, I just have internet for a limited amount of time today and want to get the chance to respond.

Although I really disagree with Cello on the 24 hour Day thing, I want to hear from everyone and if that means waiting past 24 hours thats fine, considering we haven't heard from Smarg, Kevin, or Ryker yet.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryker will agree with whatever I say, JFYI.

Smarg will disagree with whatever I say, JFYI.

KevinM will have nothing really prevelant to say, JFYI.

=D

and Kay I understand.

 

[ranmaru]

I asked because you asked them both, and followed up with Gord only. That is why.

I guess I was vla and stuffs but I still posted on that same page. Even so, I posted about it now.

I felt you should comment on it since Gord was willing enough to help, so should J. I mean, I guess it's better to have answers in different pov's, and not just one of them answering it well.

 

[ranmaru]

EBWOP: My last post was in response to Sword's 1452.

 

[ranmaru]

Although I really disagree with Cello on the 24 hour Day thing, I want to hear from everyone and if that means waiting past 24 hours thats fine, considering we haven't heard from Smarg, Kevin, or Ryker yet.

I agree with this. Town needs time to gather info.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Ranmaru: Put your vote back on me.

@smargaret: I need you to vote for me too. I forgot about that. That will put me at L-1, which is what proves that Ranmaru and J are scum beyond any shadow of a doubt, since if Sworddancer, July or Kevin were scum, then they could win by finishing me off. Once that is established, we will KNOW that J and Ranmaru are the scum team.

Also, your 1326. Can you please explain exactly what lynch order you are advocating there and how your lynch order has changed since the Smarg lynch.

smargaret ---> Ranmaru --> Cello --> J

 

[ranmaru]

Why would Smarg vote you if she thought you were town?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Ranmaru, do you not understand what I am doing here?

If you are Town, then with your vote on me, we have proven 100% that J is the 2nd scum, OR I am scum. Regardless of what the truth is, we can safely lynch BOTH of us by lynching you first.

If you are Scum, then with you, smargaret, myself, and J voting for me, then we LITERALLY CLEAR 4 people (one of whom already was, Ryker), or Town will lose if I'm wrong. But, losing now won't matter much in the long run, since I'm going to vote for J on Day 5 anyway.

I'm especially comfortable with this path BECAUSE you unvoted me. If you were scum with any of those people, then you would have had ample reason to vote for me once more. I just asked smargaret to vote for me. We KNOW that you aren't both scum because one of you is the Voyeur. If neither J nor I are the 2nd scum, then scum could simply WIN. You would have realized this, and not objected to my course of action.

I am PROVING who the scum are. Not "feelings", not "thinking", but proof. What do you not understand about this?

 

[#HBC | J]

Oh goodness, the illogical fallacies.

Gonna wait till I finish this post real quick.

 

[Cello_Marl]

If scum CAN vote altogether to win, WHY would they NOT?

That is proof to me.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm tempted to just let Cello sit till Ryker comes on to say something....hmmm.

Btw did I forget to mention I love this game started back up? I was getting bored.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah this game is fun. I was glad too.

 

[ranmaru]

If scum CAN vote altogether to win, WHY would they NOT?

That is proof to me.

It's not that easy, Cello. I will vote later because I'm not interested in gambits. I'd rather see what everyone brings to the table and then decide.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Ranmaru, put your vote on me. If you don't, then I can still prove my point in more roundabout fashion.

I can have one of July, Kevin, Ryker or Sworddancer vote for me, putting me at L-2. If smargaret is scum with anyone other than J or whoever is voting for me, then her team would win. We can then switch off the voter with someone else, which will PROVE that J is scum, OR that I am scum.

In either case, lynching Ranmaru --> Cello --> J is STILL the optimal course of action.

 

[#HBC | J]

Cello, why are you making it so tempting?

 

[Cello_Marl]

J, tell Ranmaru to put his vote on me, or explain why you won't.

 

[#HBC | J]

Cello, tell Ryker to put his vote on me, or explain why he won't.

 

[Cello_Marl]

He won't put his vote on you, because it is statistically unsound to do so. He will be voting for Ranmaru.

 

[#HBC | J]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Wrong answer.

Try again.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You're high. Did you not pay attention to anything said yesterDay? smargaret's analysis? (I didn't either, but that's beside the point)

If we mislynch toDay, then we lose if smargaret isn't scum (she isn't, probably), since toMorrow would leave us with 4v2. Even if we put scum on the Guillotine, we go to 2v2, which means they can force a No Lynch, and kill that Night (since the factional kill isn't stopped by the lynch). 1v1. Since scum cannot be stopped from attaining a majority by forcing another NL then NKing, scum wins on our 3rd mislynch rather than our fourth.

Conversely, if we lynch scum now (even if it was yesterDay), then we have another mislynch available (the third promised by Xiivi) since scum cannot force two No Lynches. 5v1 toMorrow will go to 3v1 with my being placed on the Guillotine.

Even if you believe me to be/are trying to portray me as scum, it is empirically better to lynch Ranmaru before me. If I were scum, then my faction would lose regardless. If you continue this pursuit, when I am lynched toMorrow, then I shall vote you on Day 5 and NEVER take it off. I've said this before, but I mean it now.

You argued the opposite yesterday.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The only way this will backfire is if Ranmaru is somehow Town and J isn't scum. But if Ranmaru IS Town, then that means that J is 100% scum, if I don't get quicklynched.

So actually, I'm hoping that you really ARE Town, Ranmaru. Funny.

So many holes in this assumption. Why are you intentionally portraying yourself as a moron?

 

[July]

These quotes are from yesterDay:

You're both acting ********.

@Ranmaru: There is a counterclaim in place. We KNOW FOR A FACT that one of you is lying. There is no "chance" of lynching scum if we lynch both of you, there is simply FACT that we will lynch ONE scum AND ONE Town if we lynch both of you. HOWEVER, REGARDLESS OF WHO WE LYNCH TODAY, IF WE LYNCH ME TOMORROW, THEN WE WILL KNOW WHETHER THE OTHER PERSON IS SCUM OR TOWN. There is absolutely NO reason to lynch a Town player when we can KNOW that that player is Town. As the supposed Voyeur, I cannot understand how you do not see this. From your perspective, we should lynch smargaret, who you know is SCUM, then lynch me, simply because I am suspect. At that point, smargaret will flip scum, and PROVE that you are the Town Voyeur.

Let's look at it this way. Let's say that you are town, and smargaret is scum, and we choose to lynch smargaret toDay. ToNight, Joey will die.

ToMorrow, according to your plan and Kevin's plan and idiocy's plan, we would lynch you. At that time, smargaret would flip scum, and we would have just put the Voyeur on the chopping block for no ****ing reason whatsoever. The Day after will see me put on the chopping block because J and Ryker are ********, which will mean we run out of mislynches. If you don't think I'm going to be lynched after you two (should we take that route), then you're ****ing stupid.

What if, instead, we chose to lynch me? WE WOULD KNOW THAT YOU TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT BEING THE VOYEUR. We would then...NOT LYNCH YOU, BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU'RE TOWN.

It's not WIFOM, it's "we ****ing know there is a Voyeur in this game, and there ISN'T going to be another counter-claim". Yes, you will die that Night for this, because you are CONFIRMED ****ING TOWN. BUT, that means we STILL have our 3rd mislynch, instead of squandering it on CONFIRMED ****ING TOWN.

The scenario above makes just as much sense if we switch your name and smargaret's name.

The difference between the two of you lies in the people that think that you are scum and those that think that smargaret is scum. To a man, the people voting for smargaret think that I am her scummate. WONDERFUL. FINE. I don't ****ing care. BUT, we THREE shall BE the next three lynches, so it shouldn't really matter to them in what order we die. But, it DOES to me, because I KNOW that they are wrong, and as block-headed as those morons are, they won't lynch the real 2nd scum after we're both gone (that scum being KevinM).

So what exactly happened that this is no longer the best plan? Back here KevinM was the second scum, now it is J/Ran correct? Looking back at your lynch plans there is no consistency; you were willing to die toDay as long as Ran died before you, under no circumstances were Ran and Smarg supposed to die back to back, and now you are advocating that:

smargaret ---> Ranmaru --> Cello --> J

I feel like you are just working Day by Day to push your lynch back even though you know its inevitable.

 

[July]

Ninja'd, my quotes relate to Ryker's statements though.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@J, please answer my 1439. I would like Ryker to answer it too but I want to hear your opinion first.

Lol, when I read this I realized I had no idea what 1439 said.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker will agree with whatever I say, JFYI.

Smarg will disagree with whatever I say, JFYI.

KevinM will have nothing really prevelant to say, JFYI.

=D

and Kay I understand.

Which is hilarious, but true.