Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ranmaru, do you not understand what I am doing here?

If you are Town, then with your vote on me, we have proven 100% that J is the 2nd scum, OR I am scum. Regardless of what the truth is, we can safely lynch BOTH of us by lynching you first.

If you are Scum, then with you, smargaret, myself, and J voting for me, then we LITERALLY CLEAR 4 people (one of whom already was, Ryker), or Town will lose if I'm wrong. But, losing now won't matter much in the long run, since I'm going to vote for J on Day 5 anyway.

I'm especially comfortable with this path BECAUSE you unvoted me. If you were scum with any of those people, then you would have had ample reason to vote for me once more. I just asked smargaret to vote for me. We KNOW that you aren't both scum because one of you is the Voyeur. If neither J nor I are the 2nd scum, then scum could simply WIN. You would have realized this, and not objected to my course of action.

I am PROVING who the scum are. Not "feelings", not "thinking", but proof. What do you not understand about this?

You're a funny dumb ***.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He won't put his vote on you, because it is statistically unsound to do so. He will be voting for Ranmaru.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Wrong answer.

Try again.

It's like I don't even have to play and it still gets done.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Cello needs to die. Ran needs to live. I'm confident that Smarg will flip scum and when she does, then we will have the cleared Voyuer. Me being cleared. And J looking damn fine.

Hell, the game will PROBABLY be over then and we'll have won. After that, we can lynch the better choice out of July and Swords. I still don't buy KevinscuM.

 

[KevinM]

I don't feel like risking the game off of Cello.

Why go for the option that possibly has us losing vs us buying another mislynch and seeing more connections?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It doesn't off someone who would be clear the next day.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

PROS TO CELLO LYNCH:

Cello shuts up sooner (yay)
Cello seems to be the majority's favorite scum pick.
Smarg scum CLEARS Ran. Which sends us into night phase with two clears.
Would probably make July shut up about J.

CONS TO CELLO LYNCH

If we're wrong about Smarg AND Cello, then gg.



Reason I'm confident the pros outweigh the con:

There's ****ing four against one. I mean, power in numbers.
If neither of them are scum, then our chances of winning are pretty slim.


I'd rather take the risk when I feel the odds are in my favor than to delay it and make it even worse.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: Are pretty slim even if we lynch Ran.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I thought you were just trolling, but you really would lynch me toDay wouldn't you?

Delay DOESN'T REDUCE THE ODDS AT ALL. I'm GOING to be lynched toMorrow; nothing I say or do could prevent that. Literally EVERYONE is in favor of lynching me toMorrow, INCLUDING MYSELF. It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to be scummates with ANYONE other than Ranmaru or smargaret; otherwise, we wouldn't have had that counterclaim.

If you lynch me toDay, then you need to be blacklisted from Mafia.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Kevin, put your vote on Ranmaru.

July, I'm saying here and now that I advocate my lynch toMorrow. If I go back on that, then that is more than enough reason to finish me off anyway.

Sworddancer, put your vote on Ranmaru. I cannot be scum and win; there is no reason to not follow this course of action.

smargaret, I don't need to ask for your vote, just that you put it on him immediately. Kevin will listen to reason, but Ryker is dangerously insane. We must focus on July and Sworddancer.

Unvote Vote Ranmaru

My proof ultimately doesn't matter since this game is going to come down to my personal judgment.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

^Dead men need to shut up.

Let everyone else decide. If we take our risk here, we gain a clear. If we take our risk later, then we simply played it safe.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

My proof ultimately doesn't matter since this game is going to come down to my personal judgment.

Someone thinks he's important again.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Cello is making personal attacks rather than attacking arguments. He says that he cannot take that course and win, which may be true, but safe money is on scum Cello putting himself out there as the next lynch until I'm dead and he can try to discredit J in a similar matter then trying to convince people to swap votes.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: It's not the wrong path to scum team Smarg/Cello. It's the ONLY path for them.

 

[Cello_Marl]

smargaret/Cello would never have claimed a Power Role that the Town KNOWS exists.

More importantly, smargaret/Cello CANNOT WIN by the method that you describe. EVEN IF I were to "discredit J" and get him lynched toMorrow, then I would STILL be left with J on the Guillotine along with two of Sworddancer, KevinM, and July. Obviously, J would be clear since the game is over, and having JUST "discredited" him, he WOULD vote for me. I couldn't lynch J a second time; so I would have to get one of the other two lynched.

No amount of text could convince ANYONE to lynch themselves in LyLo.

Tell me honestly, do you just not understand/realize this or are these your true thoughts?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Obviously, J would be clear since the game is over = Obviously, J would be clear since the game isn't over

 

[#HBC | J]

I go to rake leaves and my hero comes <3

Finishing post about now but Ryker seems to be doing just fine~

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hey July, I see you there.

Assume Cello and Smarg are scum for a moment. Assume you are in Cello's position. What do you do?

 

[#HBC | J]

*raises hand!*

I know I know I know!

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This is the part where you point out the one in the back of the class and see if they're paying attention.

 

[#HBC | J]

*lowers hand*

Fiiiine I guess.

So Ryker if Cello by some chance doesn't flip scum; Swords or July? July is weird but so is Swords. One of them i'd bet is scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Again, unsure, but since I'm unlikely to be here tomorrow, I suppose I should decide which one by the end of this phase.

Again, don't buy KevinscuM.

 

[#HBC | J]

Kevin can't be scum with Smarg. That's why we don't buy it.

I'm gonna be so upset when Ryker isn't here toMorrow. ;-;

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Hey Cello, to mirror you from TWEWY:

Since I'm the only feasible night kill tonight, shouldn't I get to choose the lynch today?

 

[#HBC | J]

I viewed Joey, yet I was roleblocked.

I shall be the lynch for toDay, so you can see Smarg flip.

I know some of you may be thinking I may be the true scum, for my mistake when I cc'd. That was a true mistake. It was an easy one to make.

It would be better for me to be lynched, because then I wouldn't be nk'd (I think) and I'd have that much more time to talk. You will know I am town since the game wouldn't be over.

Also, I wouldn't vote ToMorrow. Sorry guys, that's as bad as me voting myself. Nor would I vote myself toDay. Lynch Cello tommorow.

^Like this post.

You won't vote toMorrow because it's "as bad as you voting yourself"? How? If you're advocating my lynch, why won't you vote for me toMorrow?

But, you know what, sure. Don't vote toMorrow. It will be interesting to see how everyone else acts.

Vote Ranmaru

This Day better not last more than 24 hours. Or the Night either. I'm anxious to get this over with.

Me no like.

You answered your own question.

If I'm lynched toDay and the game is still going, it's obvious that only one of me/smarg was scum. Then, I'd be wasting my vote on you, because I'm giving scum room to breathe vote wise. (which is why I won't vote tomMorow)

But, I'll leave my vote toDay.

Vote: Cello

*facepalm* Town post yet again.

Even if you believe me to be/are trying to portray me as scum, it is empirically better to lynch Ranmaru before me. If I were scum, then my faction would lose regardless. If you continue this pursuit, when I am lynched toMorrow, then I shall vote you on Day 5 and NEVER take it off. I've said this before, but I mean it now.

*yaaaaaaawn*

Also voting oneself as town also does the same thing as voting your scumpick as confirmed townie or something. I will always question you if you tell someone to vote themselves, Cello.

Interesting.

EBWOP: I've said this before, but I mean it now = I've said this in other games before, but I mean it now.

Ah, alright then? One measly little vote.

"Even if you believe me to be/are trying to portray me as scum, it is empirically better to lynch Ranmaru before me. If I were scum, then my faction would lose regardless."

Which is why you'd want me lynched before you, so that your faction doesn't lose (as scum). Also, you are being selfish.

You didn't seem to fight for anything else in this game. You vote hopped everywhere, and now you strongly believe in voting me before you. You obviously weren't for the plan of voting me and Smarg back to back. You yourself said you'd be the second lynch, now it's me? Why?

Last paragraph is good.

Actually, this is perfectly fine, and you two idiots fell into my trap.

Unvote Vote Cello

If smargaret is scum, then she still has her vote. If she ISN'T scummates with one of you OR with me, then her team can win. That will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the scum team is some combination of the four of us.

You've just proven to the rest of us that you two are the scum.

Lmao, the contradictions and the call-outs.

Oh, in case it wasn't obvious, NO ONE ELSE SHOULD VOTE FOR ME.

We know for a fact that at least one scum lies in Ranmaru/smargaret. I can be lynched toMorrow, followed by J the Day after.

Lol I'm not getting lynched but that's cool.

Unvote: Cello There is someone else viewing. Don't want a quicklynch.

Actually, I forgot it was 5 to lynch, not 4.

Vote: Cello

Why is Ran so town all of a sudden~?

The only way this will backfire is if Ranmaru is somehow Town and J isn't scum. But if Ranmaru IS Town, then that means that J is 100% scum, if I don't get quicklynched.

So actually, I'm hoping that you really ARE Town, Ranmaru. Funny.

J isn't scum and Ran is town, therefore plan has already backfired and you know it will. ^^ Also how does J Scum = Ran Town? Who the heck would even quicklynch you? Also you are trying to set it up so that if we do end up lynching Ranmaru then when on the possible flip of town I look like scum just because you say so. Also if you are thinking Ran IS town or more or less hoping so then you must think that Smarg is 100% scum and thus hoping she flips scum. Therefore you have come to the conclusion the scum-team is J/Smarg. Howso? Is that really the scum-team? I didn't get the role pm stating that.

What do you mean? Why hadn't you pushed for scum at all this game?

=3c

Also Cello, do you see a chance of masons somehow being in this game?

Also, I did crumb.

*facepalm* Ran is def town. Like honestly.

Ok. You have noticed Ryker and J holding hands and saying that they like each other, correct?

Ooooh so this is where the mason......really? You haven't played a game with two people that think each other are town and are willing to bet the game on such. Handholding is such a powerful move in games if you can learn to trust the person you are holding hands with.

Although I wouldn't know why you would say this. This makes me doubt you even more, Cello. (Also add how you ignored my first response to this)

Cello ignores and picks and chooses what he wants to listen to it seems this game.

Yes, yes, what's your point?

I'm not saying anything else until you answer my other question.

If you don't, we can go back to discussing your lynch.

I'm curious about this thingy. Also he has still ignored you.

unvote: cello

Interesting, love the town hesitancy.

Alright, so thanks to getting lost in a museum, I get some time to post this morning lol.

@J (referencing question before thread closed): Both you and Ryker's reads, just because both of you agree on everything, even if you are town J, that doesn't mean you are right. The only person who can convince me that Ran is not scum is Ran himself. And even if you don't think Ran is scum, why make it so clear yesterDay that he wasn't a suspect? I would have liked to go into toDay with Cello and Ran both still on their toes, but you guys made it very clear who you wanted gone toDay and gave Cello time to work on his defense.

Why would you have liked to go into the day with both Cello/Ran on their toes? Why not state my views? I mean I am still hiding some cards but *shrug* that's how you play. Why are you only stating me but say J/Ryker? Why only can Ran convince you? I've had others convince me in the past of someone's scumminess. Why being so much like stone?

About the Smarg lynch. I think her lynch allows me to be able to scumhunt others instead of being on the guillotine and trying to get her lynched.

Of course, I'm also ok with myself being lynched. Yet I wouldn't push for it myself if people believe me, because I don't want to be selfish and be a myslynch.

J and Ryker have been very obvious about it. If it wasn't for the roleblocker, I might have voyeured one of them.

Also as I have been re-reading the thread, I'd also think one of a Swords/J being scum. That is why I'd like Swords to reply to the quote I quoted.

Also Cello has ignored me when I asked him about that.

Town again =3 But yea I could see Swords scum but hmm. Still debating on July/Swords dilemna.

J, I need more discussion from you. I feel as though you left the vote on Cello, and didn't really have anything else to add.

Swords, I see you there. Please post thoughts.

I was at school ;_;

Pressuring July to vote. Is right about July picking the easy wagon.

I'm pressuring July to vote me...? Mhmm that sounds right. She needed to take a stance and if she made a case and stated specifically WHY I was scum to her but not put her vote down on me. Why? It shows hesitancy and the fact that she might be trying to get people to see if they agree with it first before she finalizes her descion to pseudo-lead the lynch on me. Hence why I requested her vote on me. She comes to later present the said case and also I wanted to see where her mind was. Votes are key in determining things.

More pressure.

If you want what you want, you have to pressure.

Is right about July hopping onto Joey.

Glad you agree.

This right here, is J trying to intimidate July into not making the case.

Was not! D= I was pointing out an interesting tidbit.

I see this post. So I am curious why he brought it up, I ask him.

Right here.

Yes he says it isn't relevant, when it is. He contradicted himself.

Nope. It really wasn't relevant.

Agrees with Gord.

Actually Gordy agreed with me. Little mix up but meh.

Basically with this entire post thingy you are trying to say that I shut down all options but it's funny because there is a MUCH better example if you wanna say I am shutting down scum-hunting by defending you and limiting it to being a Cello lynch toDay with Ryker. I mean now that is kindof shutting things down to Swords/July/Cello as the remaining scum and stating clearly Smarg is a mafiate. Now THAT is shutting down but this is just well weak tbqh.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hey Cello, to mirror you from TWEWY:

Since I'm the only feasible night kill tonight, shouldn't I get to choose the lynch today?

LOL

10chars

 

[ranmaru]

You were pointing out an interesting tidbit, yet you never explained it fully. I still feel it was relevant because you asked about it J. Also, you are right. My bad, Gord agreed with you. Ah, you are curious? Well, I was thinking you and Ryker could have been lovers somehow.

I think July means that she wouldn't believe your reads just to see if I was scummy or not. She'd have to look at MY actions. So if she still thought so, she'd have to respond to your case of me, and refute it.

Plus don't you find it odd that Swords didn't follow up with you?

 

[ranmaru]

If you lynch me toDay, then you need to be blacklisted from Mafia.

Why is this? You continue to discredit yourself, Cello. How can town listen to you if you discredit yourself by doing selfish things?

Also, why did Smarg ask for Joey's help when she knew that Joey was possibly going to get nk'd?

Even so, Cello, have you ever voted against Smarg?

 

[#HBC | J]

@Mod: Can you list all dead players/flips in the front page please?

 

[smargaret]

Why on earth are we risking the game on J and Ryker's arrogance? Ran is the only possible play, the only way that he is not the only possible play is if Gboy had flipped scum.

If we had lynched Ran first and I started acting like this, you'd have no compunctions trying to get me lynched for it. His behavior today is strictly out of self-preservation, not the town's best interests.

Vote: Ran

I know I'm not going to convince Ran, J, and Ryker to do the right thing here, but the rest of you should think long and hard over whether or not you're willing to stake the game on J being right.

V/LA for the weekend. I'll be on briefly tomorrow morning and then not at all until I get back home sometime Sunday.

 

[#HBC | J]

I absolutely love how you single me out there.

Lol, how on earth could you possibly convince Ran to lynch himself xD

He isn't doing self-preservation, he's actually scum-hunting which you haven't done pri much all game.

 

[ranmaru]

What do you think of the recent discussions that have risen, Smarg?

 

[#HBC | J]

Actually her post is pri much scummed up to be:

"Guuuuuuys! Don't listen to J or Ryker! Lynch Ran. They are just being stupid and look at how scummy Ran is! Just look at him!. VOTE RAN. Don't listen to J/Ryker/Ran."

 

[ranmaru]

If Smarg doesn't answer I would think she is just leaving her vote on me for her scum pal to vote me later. (She doesn't even comment on the discussion)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

willing to stake the game on J being right

Thanks for the credit.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm asking everyone else what you gain from lynching Ran today other than the guarantee assuming we're wrong about BOTH Smarg and Cello.

 

[ranmaru]

Also, does Cello not have anything to say about Smarg? Do we know his reads on her?

 

[smargaret]

THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION. We decided on a course of action yesterday, you need to follow through with it to ensure town doesn't lose. And yeah, I don't want people listening to J/Ryker/Ran - 2/3 are scum, one is clear but playing to his ego not to the best interests of town.

The last couple of pages have been Cello trying some weird-*** gambit and Ryker and J stroking each others' egos. What is in there to respond to?

 

[#HBC | J]

THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION. We decided on a course of action yesterday, you need to follow through with it to ensure town doesn't lose. And yeah, I don't want people listening to J/Ryker/Ran - 2/3 are scum, one is clear but playing to his ego not to the best interests of town.

The last couple of pages have been Cello trying some weird-*** gambit and Ryker and J stroking each others' egos. What is in there to respond to?

Confession of being a mafiate member? I think sooooo~

 

[ranmaru]

@Smarg:

Yes, but before an action is done, there must be discussion. There is much you can comment on.

 

[ranmaru]

Smarg says town shouldn't lose, but also shouldn't discuss. How can town win without discussing?