Rusty Guillotine Mafia | Ovah

[#HBC | J]

DO NOT HAMMER! DO NOT PULL A JOEY!

that is all =3c

 

[#HBC | J]

Don't put him at L-1 either because knowing Cello, he WILL self-vote/self-hammer himself.

 

[ranmaru]

Good call man. I wouldn't have voted until later toDay anyways. I want to see more from Swords, Cello, Kev... Yeah. Smarg too, but she is vla for now.

 

[ranmaru]

Would Cello do that even as scum?

 

[KevinM]

Someone unvote Cello, why are we sitting with him at L-1?

 

[#HBC | J]

He's at L-2.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@J: If I were scum and self-hammered, my faction would lose regardless of whether my scummate was Ranmaru or smargaret.

@Ranmaru: Vote for me. If you're town, then smargaret is scum and this really will work out for the best, since it means that we truly will be in a better position toMorrow. And if you're scum, it will prove that J is your scummate.

@Ryker: I need you to really think and actually pay attention to what I say after Ranmaru puts his vote on me.

 

[ranmaru]

Sorry Cello. I'm not going to listen to you if you don't even respond to ANY of my posts in regards to you.

 

[Cello_Marl]

@Ranmaru: You would KNOW from your perspective that smargaret is scum. I can only be Town or scum. If I am scum, then if I self-hammer, then there is no NEED for discussion to continue since the game would be decided.

If you are Town, what is wrong with proving that you are?

 

[ranmaru]

Thing is, you shouldn't self hammer ever. It'll give scum more room to breathe.

There is always a need for discussion, town needs info.

Town trying only to prove himself sounds selfish, and not looking at the town as a whole.

Cello, are you thinking of the whole town as a whole? What is your motivation to win?

 

[Cello_Marl]

I have been at L-2 twice. Once with J, Ranmaru, and myself, and now with J, you, and July. In both cases, J is the ONLY common link. If smargaret were scum with ANYONE that isn't me, then why wasn't I lynched? Admittedly, the first L-2 is a bit sketchy because Ranmaru removed his vote after being told he was in a trap, but that can be rectified by him putting his vote on me.

The ONLY good explanation for that is that either I am scum, OR J and smargaret are scummates, OR smargaret is town.

Leave me in this position for 24 hours; when I am not quicklynched, THAT is absolute, 100%, definitive proof that one of the following is true:

1) smargaret is scum with me,
2) smargaret and J are scummates,
3) Ranmaru and I are scummates
4) Ranmaru and J are scummates

And we can cover all possibilities by lynching Ranmaru --> Cello --> J.

@Ryker: Tell/convince Ranmaru to vote for me. Why he won't is beyond me.

 

[ranmaru]

Nah, too risky. If you guys would rather lynch me to be safe, go ahead.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Thing is, you shouldn't self hammer ever. It'll give scum more room to breathe.

I am not going to self-hammer, you idiotic twit. If it were possible for my self-hammer to "give scum more room to breathe", then I would be scum with either you or smargaret, and the game would be over. I want to be put at L-1, BY YOU, purely to acquire the information that you desperately think that we need.

There is always a need for discussion, town needs info.

If there are 5 players in an open set-up game, and a Cop claims a guilty on a player, does the Town waste time "discussing" matters, or do they simply lynch both of them? In that scenario, the Town has all the information that it needs, just as we do here. But, here, we must proceed in a specific manner to cover all possibilities.

Town trying only to prove himself sounds selfish, and not looking at the town as a whole.

How is having a proven Town BAD for the Town?

Cello, are you thinking of the whole town as a whole? What is your motivation to win?

I am providing proof of who the scum are. I don't understand how you don't see this as a Good Thing.

 

[smargaret]

Ran is scum because I'm the voyeur, his failclaim proves this. The mechanic means this has already been discussed - saying no discussion means we've decided on a course of action already, not let's not figure out what we're doing today, does that make any sense at all?

Sorry, FMIL is going to be here literally any minute. J is Ran's scumbuddy; why else is he working so hard to get Ran off? Pay attention to his waffling right after Ran cc'd me yesterday.

Everyone looking at how I was on later last night - I left my computer on. I don't know what the window is for staying "viewing this thread" after you leave, and what leaving the computer on and the tab open does to it, but I really did go to bed after my 1527.

You have about 5 minutes to ask last minute questions.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Nah, too risky. If you guys would rather lynch me to be safe, go ahead.

I'm sorry, what?

What is too risky? Putting the person that you want to lynch at L-1 is "too risky"? HOW?

If you don't want to put me at L-1, which is A PREREQUISITE OF LYNCHING ME, what else do you propose OTHER than lynching you?

 

[ranmaru]

Why didn't you log out Smarg?

So you rather quick lynch without discussion?

Do you think town can win without info?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm sorry, what?

What is too risky? Putting the person that you want to lynch at L-1 is "too risky"? HOW?

If you don't want to put me at L-1, which is A PREREQUISITE OF LYNCHING ME, what else do you propose OTHER than lynching you?

Too risky at this time bro. I'd rather not the day end early. I do believe you'd self hammer, you have self voted yourself.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Ranmaru, put your vote on me, or tell us who you want to lynch.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Too risky at this time bro. I'd rather not the day end early. I do believe you'd self hammer, you have self voted yourself.

Do you believe that I am scum?

If so, why is my potential self-hammering a problem, since that would end the game in a Win for Town if I were to BE scum?

 

[smargaret]

I didn't log out because I'm lazy like that and it's not like my fiance - who is the only other person with access to this computer - is going to troll my mafia accounts. You don't stay logged in anywhere?

 

[Cello_Marl]

Have fun with her visit, smargaret. This game is already doomed or won.

 

[ranmaru]

Do you believe that I am scum?

If so, why is my potential self-hammering a problem, since that would end the game in a Win for Town if I were to BE scum?

Self hammering isn't good for town. It doesn't help. It seems gambity to me and I don't rely on gambits.

I like discussion. You'll have to wait. I'm sorry Cello, but I'm not anxious to end the day.

 

[smargaret]

fffffuuu she's here. now. bye.

 

[ranmaru]

Have fun with her visit, smargaret. This game is already doomed or won.

Why do you think it is doomed?

 

[Cello_Marl]

I am not going to self-hammer if I am Town.

I am going to self-hammer if I am Scum. Which, once more, would result in a Town Win.

It doesn't particularly matter if I am lying and Scum, since what I propose covers that contingency.

What is there to talk about when this will provide PROOF of who the scum are, OR result in a Town Win if I am scum and self-hammer?

 

[ranmaru]

Why do you dislike being scum?

How can we know that you dislike being scum?

You see, I don't trust your proposals at all. They seem crooked to me, and in a town where there is scum hiding, it's scary to try and see if you really would betray yourself as scum and betray your scum mates ultimately.

I simply do not believe your plan will work. I am fine with scum hunting. I'm a simple man, with simple pleasures. Don't try to complicated it.

 

[Cello_Marl]

You see, I don't trust your proposals at all. They seem crooked to me, and in a town where there is scum hiding, it's scary to try and see if you really would betray yourself as scum and betray your scum mates ultimately.

There are only two scum in this set-up. This OPEN set up, something you seem to keep forgetting about with your talk of masons and the like. Since there was a CC, we KNOW that one of you and smargaret is scum. If I were going to sacrifice myself, WHO would I be protecting? There wouldn't be ANYONE else to protect.

I simply do not believe your plan will work.

Please tell me, in your own words, what my plan is and why it "will not work".

 

[ranmaru]

Who do you want to protect?

 

[ranmaru]

Also about your plan:

It's wifom. That's why it can't work.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Ranmaru. Tell me, in your own words, what my plan is and why it "will not work".

Who do you want to protect?

The Town.

 

[ranmaru]

I did answer.

Did you ever protect anyone? List who and why.

 

[Cello_Marl]

What. Do. You. Think. My. Plan. Is.

Describe how it works, and how it is "wifom".

 

[ranmaru]

It's risky, and wifomish. We don't know what scum would do. So it's not worth it to take the risk. It's better to scum hunt.

I don't rely on gambits. You explained your plan.

 

[Cello_Marl]

Let's put it this way.

I'm mafia.

I am fully and freely claiming that I am scum, but NOT who my PARTNER is. Since, as scum, I could only have one partner. Since, as an open set up, we KNOW the roles present in the game.

As the Town Voyeur, you KNOW who the other scum is. Will you vote for me?

 

[Cello_Marl]

I'm claiming Mafia Cop, btw.

 

[ranmaru]

May I ask why you claim scum now?

I was roleblocked when I viewed Joey, so if you were scum, you'd be the roleblocker. (Because Smarg is on the guillotine) Yet, if the scum is claiming toDay, why would he have blocked me yesTerday NiTeE?

 

[Cello_Marl]

May I ask why you claim scum now?

I was roleblocked when I viewed Joey, so if you were scum, you'd be the roleblocker. (Because Smarg is on the guillotine) Yet, if the scum is claiming toDay, why would he have blocked me yesTerday NiTeE?

None of this matters (except the the Roleblocker part, which is why I claimed Cop).

Will you vote for me or not, and if not, why not?

 

[ranmaru]

So if you are rolecop, that means Smarg could have done an action and kill while still on the guillotine?

Not now, later I will. Want to see what the town thinks of this.

Now that you claimed, your plan wouldn't matter anymore.

 

[Cello_Marl]

I just claimed scum Ranmaru; why aren't you voting for me?

 

[Cello_Marl]

What could the Town's opinion POSSIBLY matter?

I CLAIMED SCUM. Your vote SHOULD BE ON ME.