Rushdown Characters

[Curbed]

Hey, I'm a new melee player, mainly playing SF before this, and I was looking for an aggressive, rush down oriented character. I'm not a huge fan of sitting back and having to wait for other characters to attack to be effective.

I main'd akuma, so I was hoping for characters who have good mix up games and can pressure into big damage combos if played well (as in top tier level). Any advice/suggestions would be really appreciated.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

Fox/Falco for best rush down characters that can change strategy at the drop of a hat (lasers are beast)
lower tier characters like that are Pikachu and Mario
I probably missed some, but fox is your best bet

 

[Jimbo Slice]

Definitely Falco. He has all of the characteristics you described. However, the higher tiered characters generally have enough versatility to be played in a variety of ways. Falcos come in styles anywhere as conservative as Forward and Dr PP to as aggressive as Shiz and Chopz. Welcome to melee. It r@pes.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

yeah falco is a pressure monster. however powersheilding slows you down sometimes. he basically locks them down then dies when he's hit or grabbed. he's pretty hard to use compared to most people and offen times people forget to learn mindgames as him so they never get any farther.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

The thing is that most high tier characters can be played in multiple styles. In my opinion, the faster the character, the more versatility they have in terms of rushdown and baiting. Fox is my favorite character simply because the character itself has very little inherent weaknesses, has a lot of speed and a good projectile. Being able to run up to someone and pressure with quick moves is just as important as being able to control space, to me.

 

[rhan]

Falcon has a knee.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

falcon can't rushdown as amazingly he really can't approach right. maybe i've just played against sheik to much I don't know.

 

[Pikaville]

I was going to say Fox/Falco but you guys already have it covered.

Depending on the matchup Sheik would be a good choice too(although not quite the same aggression level as Fox/Falco)

 

[choknater]

falcon can definitely do it. scar plays like that lately

 

[TheLake]

zelda cant

 

[KirbyKaze]

At high level, there aren't any.

I guess Falco and Fox are the closest to what you're thinking of. Falco much more than Fox.

 

[G.L.]

FalCO all day

 

[LushLahti]

We don't need any more Falco's. Fox plz.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

falcon can against slower characters. his knee beats or trades with anything while its hitbox is out and cant be shield grabbed... though once your opponent knows how to beat falcon its pretty easy to just avoid silly stuff like that. falcon is fun tho

 

[Merkuri]

I recommend Captain Falcon.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

how about he watchs some top level matches as a few chacters and see who looks fun.also keep in mind there are like & ways to play as falco and fox.

 

[LushLahti]

how about he watchs some top level matches as a few chacters and see who looks fun.also keep in mind there are like & ways to play as falco and fox.

What do you mean "like & ways" lol?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

like 7 ways.

what does that ssay about how i type?

 

[t3h Icy]

Use Bowser.

 

[victra♥]

and only use up-b and <100% ledge get up attack

 

[Curbed]

Thanks for all the feedback, from videos I was thinking Falco as his approaches seem really diverse when I was watching Mango/shiz's plays. I'll probably try to learn Falco although he seems to have a high learning curve.

Also, how is marth's play style like? I saw brawl videos, which I know is nothing like melee in metagame, but I felt like he had a more aggressive playstyle than any of the starfox characters, is that just because of the players I was watching or does that only apply in Brawl?

 

[Fletch]

Marth is very spacing-based, not necessarily a rushdown character. Like everyone else said, Falco is probably your best bet, or else maybe watch videos of Mango's Fox for an idea of how to play a rushdown Fox. Most top tiers give you some liberty on how you play any way though, so you should really just use who you're comfortable with. Just compare how completely differently some of the top pros play their characters and you'll see (i.e. Jman versus Mango Fox, all the different top Falcos, the top 4 Falcons, etc.)

 

[Curbed]

Well in that same vein I saw Mango's marth and it seemed to much more aggressive than say m2k's. When he was vsing lucky he was able to approach and punish pretty well. I get the point though, different people play their characters in different ways. I'll to not be bad and learn falco, although im pretty bad at getting the entire shffling down

 

[Fletch]

I saw your post in the Brawl forum asking the same thing, and good luck finding a real "rushdown" character in that game outside of Metaknight. I didn't respond though because I don't like the general stupidity of Brawl General Discussion and Brawl in general.

 

[Kason Birdman]

just go marth. just do it.

but really, if you wanna main falco I SUPPOSE we can let you. as long as you'll come to the falco boards and join the ****.

I might reccommend falcon for you. hes someone fun to start off with (although hardish) and you wont get raged on for playing him. he makes you think a lot and is mad sexy.

 

[Curbed]

Yea I guess brawl isn't for me then, but falcon does seem interesting. On the other hand falcos combos look much more interesting to me and he has a baller jacket!

Curious, does space animals metagame revolve around heavy use of wavedashing and shining?

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

simple answer: yes

long answer: **** yes

 

[CableCho57]

falco for sure. not to mention he's a bit easier than fox

 

[SSBMLahti]

We need moar Marths

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

the reason why most marths aren't uber aggressive is because if they miss an attack they get ***** pretty hard plus all the projectiles slow him down a lot. I mean you have to hit with the tip for his attacks most of the time(approach) like if you are to close when you try to fair them you'll get punished from them sheilding.

plus they won't stop moving so fast so if harder to make sure you land that hit. why mango's marth is OK is because he's very very smart he can win as basically anyone no matter how he plays.


also YES if you can't WD as like 90% of the cast you'll be very limited and get f***ed up. also waveshining as both space animals is the only way to do some combos where nothing esle would work like if you shine marth as fox you have to waveshine to nair or up-smash to keep the combo going.

as falco shine waveshine forward if fox DIs hard forward. to dair into a shine.

but WDing is the best way to space DDing is great but I never do it even as a pichu main I find WDing near impossible to win without. he has one of the shorter weaker ones but still he gets a lot out of it.


but also everyone can be played different you can rush people with pikachu unless they are very defncive like ice climbers or peach. same could be said for pichu but i'm very defencive and adpative as him.

 

[Charlesz]

c falcon or falco.

 

[Rubyiris]

rushdown character: Yoshi.

Falco, Fox, Falcon, etc are so versatile that they don't effectively fall into a true rushdown trope.

Yoshi does, however.

 

[Theftz22]

Just warning you that fox and falco have high technical entry level.

Play Marth

 

[Rubyiris]

Just warning you that fox and falco have high technical entry level.

Play Marth

who is this aimed at? :|

 

[Theftz22]

The OP obviously.:freak:

 

[Dark Sonic]

The melee top tiers are diverse enough that the majority of them CAN be played as rush down characters really. The only difference is HOW they lock you down.

Fox and Falco are all about shield pressure, hammering on shields until it's either too small to be effective or the opponent does one of only a few possible options (all of which are heavily punishable). They use their SPEED to remain safe when pressuring

Marth's lock down game is more about positioning, trapping opponents above them or slow pushing them to the ledge to limit their options. By occasionally throwing out some of his more risky attacks, you can keep an opponent wary of your options and make them more hesitant (I guess it would be the equivalent of getting up and DPing instead of teleporting away just to remind them that you CAN). He uses his RANGE to remain safe

You could keep going down the list for a long time. Playing offensively or defensively is really just about preference for a lot of the good characters.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

The characters in this game are too diverse to say they need to be played in one particular style to succeed. Every top pro has a different style. I really can't think of any players who are pure emulations.

In other words: see IHSB and compare him to HugS. Both very successful, yet radically different in their approach to the game.

...its beautiful.

 

[Kanelol]

Falco (PILLAR PILLAR PILLAR LAOWLAWLLAWLAOWLAWOAWLO) > Fox (If you play like I do) > Falcon (This one's a little trickier, but the whole "tech-chase" style that Falcon utilizes makes him a rush downy character in the sense that he cuts off a lot of options of his opponent)

 

[Lovage]

2d fighting archetypes like rushdown, zoning and grappler characters don't really apply to melee

but falco is probably the closest to a rushdown character

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqBPIJPC9Dc who plays more of a rushdown tactic? as in player. also match-ups change how you play.if fighting fox to beg for grabs vs puff most people prefer landing something else.