Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Curmudgeon]

Kumatora? Mona? I don't think they should add human characters, it would ruin the whole animal racing feel. If they added an EarthBound/Mother it should be Boney or a Mr. Saturn

 

[Starphoenix]

Kumatora? Mona? I don't think they should add human characters, it would ruin the whole animal racing feel. If they added an EarthBound/Mother it should be Boney or a Mr. Saturn

Fortunately for you, it isn't happening.

Not to be "that guy", but would this not be better suited in the General Discussion thread? Unless you're going to talk about how this roster will supposedly impact the SSB4 roster.

 

[Arcadenik]

Kumatora? Mona? I don't think they should add human characters, it would ruin the whole animal racing feel. If they added an EarthBound/Mother it should be Boney or a Mr. Saturn

Mr. Saturn needs hands to steer the wheel.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Fortunately for you, it isn't happening.

Not to be "that guy", but would this not be better suited in the General Discussion thread? Unless you're going to talk about how this roster will supposedly impact the SSB4 roster.

Diddy Kong Racing becomes involved with Smash Bros Diddy in some way? Lol

 

[N3ON]

The only character I see a DKR sequel increasing their chances is Dixie (unless somehow another potential Smash candidate also appears - though I doubt it). I suppose Dillon as well if he actually is included, but I still don't think he would be at the level to merit playability.

After his sequel it'd be a different story, but then it'd probably be too late for SSB4.

 

[dezeray112]

Well for me, even though I would love to see the rumor about the DKR being true, I'll await for further/future confirmations to see if the claims are accurate.

Also, any idea where the image and the rumor about the DKR sequel was sourced from?

Just to get back on topic, what alternate costumes do you guys want to see in SSB4 if there are any?

 

[8-peacock-8]

Alt. costumes:
Dr. Mario
Rosalina (Peach)
Dry Bowser
Polygon Link from the N64
Ocarina of Time Zelda
Fusion Suit Samus
Classic Pit (Think of Pit's trophy in Melee. That's what I mean.)

 

[BKupa666]

That is one bizarre DKR roster...almost feels like a spotlight on characters that are a spot below Smash Bros. material, but are still somewhat noteworthy in their own franchises (barring a few exceptions, Dedede obviously among them). And
hooray at the prospect of a Krunch return!

 

[Opossum]

I would soooo play as Bunston...hopefully his cart doesn't fall apart into a million pieces if hit.


(On a serious note: Nintendo really likes the whole, "Ship Broke/Find Parts" thing. Pikmin, Starfy 5, Animal Crossing, Kirby RTD...)

 

[Arcadenik]

That is one bizarre DKR roster...almost feels like a spotlight on characters that are a spot below Smash Bros. material, but are still somewhat noteworthy in their own franchises (barring a few exceptions, Dedede obviously among them). And
hooray at the prospect of a Krunch return!

I haven't thought about it that way but yeah, you are right... it almost feels like a Smash Kart game featuring B- and C-list Nintendo characters that Nintendo want to market to gamers, to popularize these characters... most of these characters are usually overshadowed by characters who usually get more requests for SSB4.

Tiny Kong and especially Dixie Kong, overshadowed by King K. Rool
Dribble and especially Mona, overshadowed by Captain Syrup
Bunston, overshadowed by Starfy
K.K. Slider, overshadowed by Villager and especially Tom Nook
Kumatora, overshadowed by Porky and Masked Man
Meowth, overshadowed by Mewtwo, Zoroark, other 5th and 6th gen Pokemon that we expect but don't really want
Lololo and Rick, overshadowed by Waddle Dee

The roster makes sense because the rumor said that these characters were specifically selected so that they would NOT overshadow Diddy Kong because Diddy Kong is the star of the game. That's why there are no Donkey Kong, no King K. Rool, no Wario, no Starfy, no Villager, no Tom Nook, no Ness, no Lucas, no Pikachu, no Mewtwo, no Charizard, no Kirby, and especially no Meta Knight (we all know he would be too fast )

I know this is only a rumor that should be taken with a grain of salt but I really love this roster to pieces. I would buy Diddy Kong Racing Wii U for Dixie Kong, Bunston, Mallo, K.K. Slider, Meowth, Lololo, Rick, Squirtle, and King Dedede.

 

[lobotheduck21]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

I would love this, (squirtle, meowth, and king dedede lesser characters?)

realisticely this would only help dixies and maybe dillions chances in ssb4

and for the interesting pac-man moveset, let his moves be references to other namco arcade games

 

[Arcadenik]

I think Pac-Man's playstyle/moveset should take advantage of his round shape. He's round like a ball so how about having him bounce around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2. His spherical shape also allows him to roll around like a ball so how about having him roll around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2 and this concept was the basis of the DS game called Pac 'N Roll. Eating is what Pac-Man is most famous for and this absolutely must be part of his playstyle/moveset.

 

[ChronoBound]

That rumored Diddy Kong Racing Wii U roster is really bizarre. N30N already outlined the problems with it, so I am not going to say anything else. Its like the trolls don't even try anymore.

On this same subject, where did that rumored roster even come from?

 

[Arcadenik]

Ask Yani. He was the one who posted it here in the first place.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

Sonic for Hire Gilius Thunderhead: "I call total bull****!"

This is definitely fake because the whole point of Diddy Kong Racing is that it's a racing game with non-human/furry characters. Seeing Mona and Kumartora was a dead give away that this won't happen. Besides, Wario characters are more fitting for Mario Kart anyway.

 

[Opossum]

A sort of momentum shtick for Pac Man could be cool. Not sure entirely how it would work, however.

 

[SmashChu]

a Namco Rep is far more justifiable than Megaman. honestly people give Megaman WAY to much credit. yes he's popular but i personally wont get my hopes up.

See, that's the problem. Third party characters are special. You can't add a character just to rep something. Again, third party characters are suppose to be special. That's what make them fun. But to just throw would impair the roster which has strived by focusing on quality.

Not to mention, Smash Bros doesn't come out as often as a game such as Soul Caliber, so guest characters wouldn't lose their "magic" as easily as others would.

Glad you liked my post.

The magic, will, regardless, fade. Ever heard of the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility? Basically, it says that each time you engage in an activity, you get less "pleasure," from doing it, and will eventually you will feel worse than before. Take Ice Cream. You love ice cream. You eat ice cream and it's delicious. You have a second. It's good, but it's not as good as the first. This happens with the second, third and fourth. Eventually, you have the fifth and you start getting sick. You are worse off at the fifth one. You have less pleasure at the fifth rather than the fourth.

This is why third party characters wont work. Snake was cool the first time but wont be cool the second time. Essentially, we were surprised when we saw him but it's since worn off and the next time seeing him will not be as good as the first. In the same vein, these characters are not easy to get and implement. Snake coming back wouldn't be best. It would be better to move on or forget about it.

The problem is that you can't simply remove Sonic and not expect a big backlash, because Sonic was arguably the most requested character ever. You could not escape from Sonic during the days of speculation since the name popped up everywhere and everyone BEGGED and PLEADED for Sonic in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

There won't. I can already tell from the fact that people aren't requesting Tails and Shadow any more (after Brawl those were common).

Sonic was highly requested before Snake was shown, but people knew he wasn't going to be in. People will understand when he not back in. This is a Nintendo fighting game and I think everyone gets that. The game has done well thanks to a great roster and I think Sakurai understands the limit of third party characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Mario lost his charm after 3 games.
Cut him, no one will care if Mario is gone. Luigi is the superior brother anyway.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Mario lost his charm after 186 games.
Being the generic guy can only take you so far.

 

[yani]

On this same subject, where did that rumored roster even come from?

There is a post on GAF that linked a few tweets from someone leaking details and it was then edited with a link to that picture, which was found on reddit (and I'm assuming the person tweeting was just looking at that image). This just happened after we were discussing a rumor from a Gfaqs poster saying a Diddy Kong Racing is being developed by Monster Games with no roster information other than no Banjo/Conker (iirc)

But Star is right, I really didn't mean to derail the thread this much. I posted the picture in the Wii-U discussion at the Light House board, so further discussion about it should probably be taken over there.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think Pac-Man's playstyle/moveset should take advantage of his round shape. He's round like a ball so how about having him bounce around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2. His spherical shape also allows him to roll around like a ball so how about having him roll around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2 and this concept was the basis of the DS game called Pac 'N Roll. Eating is what Pac-Man is most famous for and this absolutely must be part of his playstyle/moveset.

I feel like Sonic could take that concept further.

 

[Deleted member]

I would love this, (squirtle, meowth, and king dedede lesser characters?)

realisticely this would only help dixies and maybe dillions chances in ssb4

and for the interesting pac-man moveset, let his moves be references to other namco arcade games

I think Pac-Man's playstyle/moveset should take advantage of his round shape. He's round like a ball so how about having him bounce around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2. His spherical shape also allows him to roll around like a ball so how about having him roll around? He did that in Pac-Man World 2 and this concept was the basis of the DS game called Pac 'N Roll. Eating is what Pac-Man is most famous for and this absolutely must be part of his playstyle/moveset.

Well I'd like to see a decent moveset for him if you can, but think beyond ICONIC techniques, you must find the perfect balance between having his techniques be iconic representations, but also give him a unique playstyle that makes him an interesting yet balanced character (balanced in the sense that he's not broken, but also especially not garbage), think of his character and think of what he could bring to the table to the game as a FIGHTER, a competitive fighter. The problem with Smash Bros is that it's littered with characters with a lot of lost potential to truly shine (Yoshi, Bowser, Sonic, etc...), but with a couple tweaks, they could become good and unique characters. However the last thing we want to add is another character with a very generic move-set that gives us little to work with. See, at least with characters like Chrom and Lloyd, who SEEM generic, you're given a little bit of room to work with in what you can do to make them very interesting and unique characters. So far, with Pac-Man, I haven't seen this, and this is why I stand against his character. I honestly I could give a rat's-*** about how important he may be to video-games, if he isn't a fun character then I don't want to play as him.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear in what you got cooked up, perhaps you can sway my opinion.

Just remember to keep in mind that Smash Bros is a fighting game first, if you want an idea at what I mean by play-styles, strategies and archetypes take a peak at this (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=331574) thread. Notice the examples I give to other fighters, and how Smash characters are similar. Also notice our attempts at fixing the current cast and at presenting intriguing styles at potential newcomers.

Oh, and before you say he could be a Joke character, consider that we already have had 4 of those... 3 of which make up our current roster in Brawl.

Mario lost his charm after 3 games.
Cut him, no one will care if Mario is gone. Luigi is the superior brother anyway.

Mario lost his charm after 186 games.
Being the generic guy can only take you so far.

mfw

There is a post on GAF

That explains everything. There's a reason I don't post there and on GameFAQs.

 

[SmashChu]

Mario lost his charm after 3 games.
Cut him, no one will care if Mario is gone. Luigi is the superior brother anyway.

Mario lost his charm after 186 games.
Being the generic guy can only take you so far.

Mario is part of the main cast. he is what he is. of course, in the same vein, no one gets excited to see him.

There are two things to note

1. Third party characters are special. This is why being prudent with them is a must and why Sakurai did 2 third party characters over three. This is also why Sonic didn't get added until a year after everyone else. You can tell from the amount of music and silly glitches he has.
2. This is a Nintendo fighting game; it's the other reason for being prudent. There is no harm to adding Mario because he fits like a glove, but third party characters don't. You can't throw them around because the integrity of the game becomes loss and it becomes a mess like most other cross-over games

That's the jist of it. Third party characters could happen, but I don't think it will be more than too and Sonic and Snake wont return. Remember, these are guest characters.

There is a post on GAF that linked a few tweets from someone leaking details and it was then edited with a link to that picture, which was found on reddit (and I'm assuming the person tweeting was just looking at that image). This just happened after we were discussing a rumor from a Gfaqs poster saying a Diddy Kong Racing is being developed by Monster Games with no roster information other than no Banjo/Conker (iirc)

But Star is right, I really didn't mean to derail the thread this much. I posted the picture in the Wii-U discussion at the Light House board, so further discussion about it should probably be taken over there.

The roster seems like a clever troll and has nothing to do with the initial rumors. It was even posted outside of the rumor threads. I'm confident that this is real, but that roster is fake.

 

[8-peacock-8]

People will understand when he not back in.

You greatly underestimate the terrible part of the Sonic fanbase. *coughmostofitcough*

 

[ChronoBound]

That explains everything. There's a reason I don't post there and on GameFAQs.

NeoGAF is one of the better game forums out there. The roster rumor was not given its own thread, and just contained within a post there. If you make a post there claiming you have inside information, and you don't provide your credentials to moderators, you will get banned.

4chan on the other hand is pretty much bottom rung.

 

[Big-Cat]

You greatly underestimate the terrible part of the Sonic fanbase.

Wait, it's only PART of it?

 

[8-peacock-8]

Wait, it's only PART of it?

I don't want to piss off the sane fans.

 

[ChronoBound]

You greatly underestimate the terrible part of the Sonic fanbase.

Sonic fanbase is pretty much one of the worst/creepy of all video game fandoms, if not the worst/creepy. I have seen many Sonic fans say that the Super Mario series has dipped to Sonic 2006 lows with NSMB2 and NSMBU. Those are not bad games at all (bland/redundant would perhaps be the more appropriate terms with the problems with those games), and for them to compare them to buggy messes that were most 3D Sonic games is completely delusional.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Sonic fanbase is pretty much one of the worst/creepy of all video game fandoms, if not the worst/creepy. I have seen many Sonic fans say that the Super Mario series has dipped to Sonic 2006 lows with NSMB2 and NSMBU. Those are not bad games at all (bland/redundant would perhaps be the more appropriate terms with the problems with those games), and for them to compare them to buggy messes that were most 3D Sonic games is completely delusional.

Well they have definitely become even dumber then i remember.

 

[Arcadenik]

I feel like Sonic could take that concept further.

Yes, he could but there are some things Pac-Man can do that Sonic cannot... like bouncing around like a ball and eating enemies.

If you have played Pac-Man World 2 (the only PMW game I actually played), Pac-Man would always bounce back up to the air after he does his variation of Yoshi's Down+B move. While Bowser, Yoshi, and Kirby don't bounce up when they land, Pac-Man does... and this could give Pac-Man options, you love options, right?

After Pac-Man bounces back up, he could do something like I dunno, ground pound again (press Down+B again) or do a flip kick like Diddy Kong (he can do this in PMW2) or do his Up+B recovery (start at 1:00) or do his roll like Yoshi or Jigglypuff depending on how you input Side+B (Yoshi's version from Pac 'N Roll, Jigglypuff's version from PMW2) or do an air grab by biting the enemy like Wario? His Final Smash would be turning into a giant 2D sprite that eats enemies (one-hit KO) just like in the arcade (3:50 at the end).

 

[Deleted member]

I don't want to piss off the sane fans.

Wait, those still exist? I thought Sonic 06 drove them mad.

NeoGAF is one of the better game forums out there. The roster rumor was not given its own thread, and just contained within a post there. If you make a post there claiming you have inside information, and you don't provide your credentials to moderators, you will get banned.

4chan on the other hand is pretty much bottom rung.

Welp, different strokes for different folks I suppose...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Sonic fan here, I feel sorry for all of you have to endure such drivel. Just a little tip, but stay away from the furry section of the Sonic fanbase since that's where a lot of the creepy stuff is. Also there are generally sane fans out there, so stereotyping would be a bad thing since it would be an unfair label.

But at least nothing could be as bad as the Brony cancer.

 

[ChronoBound]

Welp, different strokes for different folks I suppose...

More like NeoGAF does not have enough (or rather any) anime porn for your taste. Most people would pretty much agree NeoGAF is superior to 4chan when it comes to game discussion.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Wait, those still exist? I thought Sonic 06 drove them mad.

I'm friends with a few in real life. lol

 

[FlareHabanero]

Trying to discuss Super Smash Bros. on 4chan is kinda annoying. Usually when the topic comes up, usually people start complaining about mundane things or generally stupid subjects like the whole "relevancy" thing or why X character is better then Y and why thinking otherwise makes you look worse then Hitler. Then it ends up as one big cluster of insults and crying over who knows what.

Also waifus and WALUIGI TIME.

 

[Arcadenik]

But at least nothing could be as bad as the Brony cancer.

It's like saying "at least the hard stool isn't as bad as the soft stool" when they are both crap.

 

[8-peacock-8]

But at least nothing could be as bad as the Brony cancer.

Twihards still exist.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Twihards still exist.

At least those are easy to mock for their fangirl nature clogging their brains.

Brony culture is just painful.

 

[8-peacock-8]

At least those are easy to mock.

Brony culture is just painful.

I got used to ignoring them. Whenever they tried to yell at me for disliking MLP, i just remind them that their pony waifus aren't real and that ponies in real life spend their time crapping everywhere. (I've of course have never seen the 4chan brony freaks. I don't want to either)

 

[Deleted member]

Sonic fan here, I feel sorry for all of you have to endure such drivel. Just a little tip, but stay away from the furry section of the Sonic fanbase since that's where a lot of the creepy stuff is. Also there are generally sane fans out there, so stereotyping would be a bad thing since it would be an unfair label.

But at least nothing could be as bad as the Brony cancer.

Oh GOD the bolded parts... I've seen some ****ed up **** on /v/...

Yes, he could but there are some things Pac-Man can do that Sonic cannot... like bouncing around like a ball and eating enemies.

If you have played Pac-Man World 2 (the only PMW game I actually played), Pac-Man would always bounce back up to the air after he does his variation of Yoshi's Down+B move. While Bowser, Yoshi, and Kirby don't bounce up when they land, Pac-Man does... and this could give Pac-Man options, you love options, right?

After Pac-Man bounces back up, he could do something like I dunno, ground pound again (press Down+B again) or do a flip kick like Diddy Kong (he can do this in PMW2) or do his Up+B recovery (start at 1:00) or do his roll like Yoshi or Jigglypuff depending on how you input Side+B (Yoshi's version from Pac 'N Roll, Jigglypuff's version from PMW2) or do an air grab by biting the enemy like Wario? His Final Smash would be turning into a giant 2D sprite that eats enemies (one-hit KO) just like in the arcade (3:50 at the end).

So, the fact that he can eat opponents makes him what? A faster Semi-Grappler? We already have Yoshi who plays that role and is in DIRE need of some buffs (since Smash 64). What can he do as far as eating people that makes him any different from Yoshi, Kirby, and Dedede?

On the Bounce thing, Sonic CAN fill that role. He had a shield that let him bounce in Sonic 3, and then he got the Bounce Bracelet in Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 06. It pretty much does what you said, but MUCH better as it gains height from each bounce. In fact, I always wondered why that wasn't Sonic's DownB in Brawl. Likewise that same bounce mechanic needs to be added to Ganondorf's DownAir a la M. Bison. As far as eating balls to move, Sonic has the Light-Dash, where he does the Same exact thing as well, but much faster. And turning into a Ball, that's Sonic's entire gimmick, and it needs to be fleshed out a lot more.

Once again though, you're missing the point, all the moves you're listing off give Pac-Man no sense of direction or Combat strategy, it's just a mix and mash of randomly thrown moves. If these same ideas are thrown into Sonic's and Yoshi's characters then we flesh out their strategies in way that they would benefit from them. Sonic now becomes a fast Momentum character that is focused on Combos and Juggling, and Yoshi becomes a solid Semi-Grappler, who can now take advantage of his ranged grabs, with some added speed and strength, and a better jump.

More like NeoGAF does not have enough (or rather any) anime porn for your taste. Most people would pretty much agree NeoGAF is superior to 4chan when it comes to game discussion.

Jesus man, what got up your *** today?

I'm friends with a few in real life. lol

I'm just teasing, as Habamero said, it IS bad to generalize...