Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Arcadenik]

The Evolution of the Yoshi Family

Egg => Baby Yoshi
Baby Yoshi + Happiness => Yoshi
Yoshi + Trade while holding Shroob's Vim => Yoob

 

[8-peacock-8]

The Evolution of the Yoshi Family

Egg => Baby Yoshi
Baby Yoshi + Happiness => Yoshi
Yoshi + Trade while holding Shroob's Vim => Yoob

Yoshi + Spiked collar = Boshi

 

[Arcadenik]

Yoshi + Trade while holding Bow => Birdo

 

[Big-Cat]

Video Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tKVGeSOiQk#t=5m05s

SmashChu if he ever went to a tournament.

WiiMote solo is still miles better than WiiMote+Nunchuck, I agree. Wiimote Nunchuck is incredibly awkward to me.

Wiimote Nunchuck is fine if you set it up right. I set it up so it was a pseudo-arcade stick, even though I didn't know they existed at the time. By this, I mean every function was more or less assigned to a single finger each. The only exception was that down on the D-Pad was jump.

 

[Deleted member]

This is what I see as the current pool. Dr. Mario, Young Link, and Pichu are only in because they're Melee veterans and Starfy is only on the list IF he was planned for Brawl (if not, then I feel he's pretty much out). Everyone else I feel have legitimate chances, even if I have doubts towards some of the characters here and I feel those not on the list will not be in.

Barring a possible retro surprise that isn't Mach Rider, I feel as our newcomers will come exactly from this pool and I'd be surprised if I was wrong.

I consider the old Melee vets barring Mewtwo and Roy to be out of the game completely, and Layton, as cool as he'd be has about as low a chance as Travis, if not lower, just putting that out there. If you wanna make a more realistic pool, I'd switch some things around, because there really is NO chance of Doc returning outside of an Alt. costume or something.

Do you think chars will be replaced? if yes who you think?

In my opinion:
-Lucas
-Toon Link
-Lucario
-Ike
-Falco
and Sonic and Snake

all run the risk of getting cut.

Mewtwo and Roy run the risk of not returning. Am I saying all 7 will be cut? No, but expect at least 3 of the mentioned 7 not to return.

EDIT: If Snake goes, trust me in that Simon will not replace him. (Nor any other Konami character)
Snake got in due to Kojima's request. Taking him out would be sticking a middle finger to him.
And with Kojima now taking charge of the Castlevania series....it's pretty obvious that between that series and Metal Gear, Metal Gear is going to have its character. Your only hope for Simon is if Kojima wants to have him added alongside Snake in Smash 4, which doesn't seem plausible to happen to be quite honest.

Well if both Snake and Sonic get cut, it IS possible that Simon replaces Snake. Especially if Kojima is working on Castlevania. I mean, it's not like the two don't talk to each other about these things. If Sakurai approaches Kojima with "Hey, I gotta replace Sonic and Snake with new guests, what do you think about using a Castlevania rep? You mind helping me think of the design and moveset?" I'm sure Kojima might respond with "Mite b cool," over ";_; FAKKU JUU ASUHORU, WII ARE NOTTO TOMODAICHI ANI MORU.... B-BAKKA!!"

peoples blind fanboyism in Megaman is actually funny at times. he is far from a sure thing. I just love that peoples only argument against Pac-Man is "I find him boring."

But Pac-Man IS boring, give me a good Pac-Man move set and playstyle and I might jump the bandwagon, but as it stands he seems to me as a generic Balanced archetype. MegaMan has many more options especially with his ability to transform.

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

Oh God, how I wish this was true.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Well if both Snake and Sonic get cut, it IS possible that Simon replaces Snake. Especially if Kojima is working on Castlevania. I mean, it's not like the two don't talk to each other about these things. If Sakurai approaches Kojima with "Hey, I gotta replace Sonic and Snake with new guests, what do you think about using a Castlevania rep? You mind helping me think of the design and moveset?" I'm sure Kojima might respond with "Mite b cool," over ";_; FAKU IU ASUHORU, WII ARE NOTTO TOMODAICHI ANI MORU.... B-BAKKA!!"

I agree with this.

 

[Gamingboy]

Takes the rumour with a grain of salt for the time being.

Yeah. I don't exactly see it as likely that there would be a "Smash Sidekicks Racing" game. I'm taking this rumor as being even smaller then a grain of salt. What happens if you split a grain of salt in half? Is it a half-grain? A micro-grain?

 

[Starphoenix]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

http://youtu.be/FopyRHHlt3M

 

[8-peacock-8]

http://youtu.be/FopyRHHlt3M

Don't want a Goomba as a pokemon?

 

[Gamingboy]

From what I see, there seems to be eight major factors when determining newcomers:

- Anatomy (appropriate means of fighting and locomotion)
- Origin (video game characters only, no characters from anime, cartoons, books, etc.)
- Party (1st or 2nd or 3rd party development teams)
- Popularity (fan demand)
- Recentness (major roles in post-Brawl games between 2008-2012)
- Region (international or Japan or West)
- Relevancy (overall importance to the series and/or to Nintendo)
- Sakurai (his four criteria, his friends, his biases, may be used to triumph other factors)

Generally agree, although some caveats about the ORIGIN thing.

It is a bit complicated as far as Pokemon, because it's not uncommon for new pokemon to be introduced in the anime or as trading cards before they are in any games. This also happened a little bit with the Kirby anime for a few characters, but not many. That said, I think it's safe to say that they are intended to be video game characters, since that's what they were being developed for.

And, let's face it, if saying "Zoroark first showed up in an Anime, he can't count" is your best argument against him, you are either a lawyer looking for loopholes, or you are too lazy to come up with a legitimate argument against him.

Similarly, there's the fact that some characters are popular (or at least got their initial burst of popularity) BECAUSE of appearances in other media. This is particularly true for Pokemon, but also exists to varying degrees for other franchise.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Well the PSASBR sequel news isn't on IGN, but it's on a bunch of different websites on Google, so go ahead and search on your own time.

Also, on one of those same websites, there is an article stating that there is apparently going to be Pokemon News revealed on January 8th. Here is the article http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a447961/pokemon-announcement-teased-for-january-8.html

I know this website is not IGN or Gamespot or anything, but who knows if this is true or not. If a new pokemon similar to that of Lucario is announced, I don't doubt that pokemon will be in Smash Bros

 

[Gamingboy]

Well the PSASBR sequel news isn't on IGN, but it's on a bunch of different websites on Google, so go ahead and search on your own time.

Also, on one of those same websites, there is an article stating that there is apparently going to be Pokemon News revealed on January 8th. Here is the article http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a447961/pokemon-announcement-teased-for-january-8.html

I know this website is not IGN or Gamespot or anything, but who knows if this is true or not. If a new pokemon similar to that of Lucario is announced, I don't doubt that pokemon will be in Smash Bros

It's been implied elsewhere that any Pokemon unveiled could be some type of Eeveelution, due to some hints on the poster for the next Pikachu short.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Here is my idea of a roster (to get the subject back on track)

Essentially, this roster is as small as I would be comfortable with. This roster addsd 9 characters, while some popular choices aren't included. I don't really think I need to list why I have particualr characters in this roster.

Here is a second choice

Not that I would be totally fond of some other characters not getting in, but this roster adds roughly 14 characters ( I think). This takes the roster total to 49, over 50 with transformations. I think having 50 roster spots would be perfect, but if character additions will be limited, I don't see it happening.

All in all, I'm expecting anywhere from 9-15 characters to be included. It will be less than most editions of the game already, so it would fit with what Sakurai has stated before. Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member]

Well if both Snake and Sonic get cut, it IS possible that Simon replaces Snake. Especially if Kojima is working on Castlevania. I mean, it's not like the two don't talk to each other about these things. If Sakurai approaches Kojima with "Hey, I gotta replace Sonic and Snake with new guests, what do you think about using a Castlevania rep? You mind helping me think of the design and moveset?" I'm sure Kojima might respond with "Mite b cool," over ";_; FAKKU JUU ASUHORU, WII ARE NOTTO TOMODAICHI ANI MORU.... B-BAKKA!!"

Hardly. If both Snake and Sonic leave, it will be because there will be no guests. Sakurai doesn't HAVE to remove them, and to think that its going to happen because Soul Calibur does it is unnecessary pessimism.

But Pac-Man IS boring, give me a good Pac-Man move set and playstyle and I might jump the bandwagon, but as it stands he seems to me as a generic Balanced archetype. MegaMan has many more options especially with his ability to transform.

 

[Arcadenik]

Generally agree, although some caveats about the ORIGIN thing.

It is a bit complicated as far as Pokemon, because it's not uncommon for new pokemon to be introduced in the anime or as trading cards before they are in any games. This also happened a little bit with the Kirby anime for a few characters, but not many. That said, I think it's safe to say that they are intended to be video game characters, since that's what they were being developed for.

And, let's face it, if saying "Zoroark first showed up in an Anime, he can't count" is your best argument against him, you are either a lawyer looking for loopholes, or you are too lazy to come up with a legitimate argument against him.

Similarly, there's the fact that some characters are popular (or at least got their initial burst of popularity) BECAUSE of appearances in other media. This is particularly true for Pokemon, but also exists to varying degrees for other franchise.

I think that if a character originated outside of a video game, the general rule of thumb is that said character is not eligible for Smash. But if said character is actually owned by Nintendo, I think that alone makes them eligible for Smash regardless of origin. Remember that Smash is a NINTENDO All-Star game. It's the only reason why I think Captain N could possibly get in Smash. Oh, and R.O.B. actually originated as a peripheral, not as a video game character. The first time we could actually play as R.O.B. itself was in Mario Kart DS.

Perhaps I should have had added an "Ownership" factor when it comes to determining who owns the rights to a character. But I thought the "Party" factor covered that already...

 

[FlareHabanero]

We are not going to get any Lucario equivalent and people are yet again jumping to conclusions.

 

[Ember Reaper]

(Rosters)

This is some good stuff Scoliosis!

The main rosters are both good to me for their size. The extras though, I think Dixie and Chrom would be well placed there. Otherwise the extras are good to me. I can't think of anyone else, and I feel like I'm missing someone.

 

[Gamingboy]

We are not going to get any Lucario equivalent and people are yet again jumping to conclusions.

Not entirely true.

While in general the first pokemon revealed for generations were usually "cute" or "gimmick" pokemon, Zoroark was the first revealed for Generation V, and hewas the Lucario equivalent. So while it is UNLIKELY that it'll be a Lucario equivalent, it is POSSIBLE. That said, I'm guessing Eeveelution or something cool but not related to a new pokemon (a remake of RS, perhaps).

 

[N3ON]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

Lolo isn't even partially owned by Nintendo.

We are not going to get any Lucario equivalent and people are yet again jumping to conclusions.

Unless you have some inside information, you're jumping to conclusions. It's entirely possible that the first 6th gen revealed will be more along the lines of Munchlax or Keckleon and not really work for Smash, but after the success of Lucario and the lesser-but-still-successful Zoroark, it could be entirely possible that Game Freak wants to kick things off with another Pokemon in that vein (or wait to reveal it until it would get its own movie - the first one revealed I'm guessing will share Genesect's movie). I'm not saying they definitely will, I'm just saying you can't possibly know. (I'm also not saying it's a definite thing that we get a Gen 6 revealed on the 8th and/or a Gen 6 makes it into SSB4 -- but I think both are a possibility).

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It is always entirely possible that the pokemon revealed, even if it is Lucraio-esque, won't even be in Smash.

Look at it this way even. The newest installment just came out. The next announcement will be one of a few things.

Either a R/S remake is coming soon, a new pokemon which will be in the next movie, or Black/White 3. My guess is one of the first two. If they are actually going down the Black and White 3 road, I couldn't imagine we would get another generation announced this early. i mean it could, but I just don't see it

EDIT: And thatnk you Ember Reaper! I appreciate the compliments. I will probably go and edit the extras when I get the chance.

 

[yani]

Lolo isn't even partially owned by Nintendo.

Are you sure on this? Lolo's games were made by HAL, and Lolo has appeared in some Kirby games IIRC.

 

[Arcadenik]

Are you sure on this? Lolo's games were made by HAL, and Lolo has appeared in some Kirby games IIRC.

If HAL Laboratory owns Adventures of Lolo... and Nintendo owns HAL Laboratory... then it must mean Nintendo owns Adventures of Lolo. Right?

 

[N3ON]

Are you sure on this? Lolo's games were made by HAL, and Lolo has appeared in some Kirby games IIRC.

Yeah, the Lolo games were made by HAL before they became first-party, and they retained the sole rights to their IP. The games aren't in the Chronicle and on the VC the publisher is listed as HAL, not Nintendo.

The characters that appeared in the Kirby games are actually Lololo and Lalala, who were obviously based on Lolo and Lala, but are different, and owned by Nintendo. I suppose Lololo could technically be included in the roster, but the artwork is of Lolo, and really Lololo has only made minor appearances in the Kirby games, so I doubt that very highly. Not to mention the rest of that roster is pretty unlikely as well, with the exception of the DK characters and maybe Dillon.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Speaking of Diddy Kong Racing....why doesn't Nintendo finish this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThbbN3o5yw

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

What I don't understand is why half of the roster except Krunch is gone. Whatever happened to everybody else from the original and DS game? (obviously besides Banjo and Conker). I just can't believe this is true.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's not true in the slightest.

A rumor is still a rumor.

 

[8-peacock-8]

What I don't understand is why half of the roster except Krunch is gone. Whatever happened to everybody else from the original and DS game? (obviously besides Banjo and Conker). I just can't believe this is true.

Probably because Rare owns them. (Especially Tiptup since he's in Banjo-Kazooie)

 

[N3ON]

What I don't understand is why half of the roster except Krunch is gone. Whatever happened to everybody else from the original and DS game? (obviously besides Banjo and Conker). I just can't believe this is true.

I believe Rare got the rights to all the characters in DKR except Diddy and Krunch (he got by through the Kremling technicality ). The reason they were in the remake is because Rare developed it, and allowed for the use of some of the characters.

According to a rumor, apparently Nintendo is trying to negotiate getting back the DKR characters for this game (except Banjo and Conker) from Rare/Microsoft. Honestly if that doesn't work out, (I'm guessing it's not true/won't work out) I expect the majority of the roster to be new original characters, with a few existing DK characters (and Dillon I guess) thrown in.

EDIT: I'mtooslow.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I still want Donkey Kong racing.

I want to race with Rambi. (They could even add Yoshi as a hidden Animal vehicle thing)

 

[Gamingboy]

BTW, I read somewhere that technically, Nintendo owns 1/3 of Pokemon, while Game Freak (still technically independent but only makes games for Nintendo, making it a 2nd party) owns 1/3 and Creatures Inc (which is a subsidiary of Nintendo) owns 1/3.

This has nothing to do with anything, really, but it's interesting to note.


One thing I kind of thought is that, if a new Pokemon generation were coming out but the game wouldn't be done until after Smash, it MIGHT be possible that we could end up with a "Roy debuted in SSB" situation, where it's in as something of a preview.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That Diddy Kong racing roster doesn't look legit at all

Not to mention that Tiny looks like this now

 

[yani]

Yeah, the Lolo games were made by HAL before they became first-party, and they retained the sole rights to their IP. The games aren't in the Chronicle and on the VC the publisher is listed as HAL, not Nintendo.

The characters that appeared in the Kirby games are actually Lololo and Lalala, who were obviously based on Lolo and Lala, but are different, and owned by Nintendo. I suppose Lololo could technically be included in the roster, but the artwork is of Lolo, and really Lololo has only made minor appearances in the Kirby games, so I doubt that very highly. Not to mention the rest of that roster is pretty unlikely as well, with the exception of the DK characters and maybe Dillon.

Ahh I didn't know that! The picture does state that the artwork isn't from the actual game, so it is possible that Lolo and Lololo were just a mix up of some sort (Since we have Rick and King Dedede too). This roster is certainly an interesting one, fake or not.

Although if this is true, I would be a bit disappointed that they couldn't negotiate to get the old characters back. But happy to race as Dixie once again

 

[8-peacock-8]

That Diddy Kong racing roster doesn't look legit at all

Not to mention that Tiny looks like this now

They could change her back though. So you never know.

Once again lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThbbN3o5yw

 

[N3ON]

BTW, I read somewhere that technically, Nintendo owns 1/3 of Pokemon, while Game Freak (still technically independent but only makes games for Nintendo, making it a 2nd party) owns 1/3 and Creatures Inc (which is a subsidiary of Nintendo) owns 1/3.

This has nothing to do with anything, really, but it's interesting to note.

This is true. Because Creatures is a first-party, it's a little more like Nintendo owns 2/3, but legally it's probably more complicated than that.

Ahh I didn't know that! The picture does state that the artwork isn't from the actual game, so it is possible that Lolo and Lololo were just a mix up of some sort (Since we have Rick and King Dedede too). This roster is certainly an interesting one, fake or not.

Although if this is true, I would be a bit disappointed that they couldn't negotiate to get the old characters back. But happy to race as Dixie once again

Yeah I guess it's technically possible we get Lololo, but I still wouldn't hold much hope in that roster. Seeing humans there personally really bugs me, lol. Bunston fits in quite well though. However, I doubt Nintendo would go through the effort of getting 2nd-party characters for a game like this.

Oh well, at least the DK character part is entirely believable. Well, maybe not Tiny's old appearance, but in general.

They could change her back though. So you never know.

They could, but considering the remake is what prompted her new design (another casualty of Rare making furry fodder ), and Nintendo seems to have stuck with it, I'm guessing that's not very likely, especially if Dixie is also included.

 

[8-peacock-8]

They could, but considering the remake is what prompted her new design (another casualty of Rare making furry fodder ), and Nintendo seems to have stuck with it, I'm guessing that's not very likely, especially if Dixie is also included.

Of course.

 

[dezeray112]

Well the PSASBR sequel news isn't on IGN, but it's on a bunch of different websites on Google, so go ahead and search on your own time.

Also, on one of those same websites, there is an article stating that there is apparently going to be Pokemon News revealed on January 8th. Here is the article http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a447961/pokemon-announcement-teased-for-january-8.html

I know this website is not IGN or Gamespot or anything, but who knows if this is true or not. If a new pokemon similar to that of Lucario is announced, I don't doubt that pokemon will be in Smash Bros

On the bolded - Nice find. Guess we'll wait and see within 5 days time.

 

[Arcadenik]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

For fun, I compared the casts from both N64 and DS versions of Diddy Kong Racing to the rumored cast of Diddy Kong Racing Wii U.

Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong = Conker (DS)
Tiny Kong = Banjo (DS)
Krunch

Dribble = Drumstick?
Bunston = Pipsy?
Mallo = Bumper?
Mona = Tiny Kong?
K.K. Slider = Conker?
Kumatora = Dixie Kong?
Dillon = Banjo?
Meowth = Timber?
Lololo = T.T.?
Rick = Taj? (well, he is a large hamster )
Squirtle = Tiptup?
King Dedede = Wizpig? (it makes too much sense )

As for making smaller, lesser known Nintendo characters more popular... it would probably apply to them:

Bunston - potential Starfy sequel
Mallo - to draw attention to Pushmo/Crashmo
Kumatora - to troll Mother fans Mother 4 confirmed! it is what Itoi announced
Dillon - to draw attention to Rolling Western and promote Rolling Western sequel
Meowth - to troll me to promote Meowth's Party it means nothing
Lololo - potential Adventures of Lololo reboot
Rick - to bring animal friends back to Kirby games

 

[Dark Phazon]

A bit off topic sorry but very curious to know know.

What were the 10 Most requested Brawl Characters?

Either it be wishlist/realistic prediction or whatvever.

Please tellme really wanna know.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I've noticed that a recurring theme with these rumors is Dillon being involved. Though it hardly means anything since these rumors are likely to be bull anyway, I could see why Dillon would be appealing from a marketing standpoint. The character has a bit of a coolness factor that is kind of a throwback to the 90's era of "Mascots with 'tude", but is taking cues from a modern prospective of coolness to make it feel more fresh (and less obnoxious).

 

[Aipom]

So this is the rumored Diddy Kong Racing reboot's roster:

Spoiler

I'd probably die if this turned out to be true. It's just so unexpected. I feel like alot of the smaller Mario-esque sub-series are getting rumored games. Diddy Kong, Yoshi, etc...

On smash related topic: how will this effect the roster?

Seriously now, I'd say at most, we'l get 50 slots with a couple of additional transformations