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[DragonSniperNintendo]

The problem with that idea is that Mega Man can't acquire power from organic characters. The only way he can absorb power is if Mega Man absorbs it from an inorganic character, like the Robot Masters.

It is Smash Bros, they can make anything work

 

[Starphoenix]

I sitll have some issues with Megaman from a playstyle perspective. A lot of times, I see people suggesting that he get the Robot Masters' powers. Thing is, are you just playing as them through Megaman or are you playing as Megaman? Then there comes the question of which powers will you put in to make a coherent playstyle while having fans of the others ***** to no end.

If there is a way to have playstyle that makes it where it is entirely Megaman based with no RM powers, then by all means go ahead. One thing I thought could be a neat throwback to the Ruby Spears show is that he has a command grab that copies an opponent's special except you wouldn't always copy the B Special. Megaman could copy Samus' missles while he would copy Link's Sword Spin.

I don't think your Robot Master problem is a very big deal, especially when Kirby whips his form powers out of thin air. Nintendo should go with a long standing idea; have Megaman's down special alternate through various Robot Master abilities, which can be activated using Megaman's side special. There are much more effective, and easier, ways to implement the concept of Megaman's copy ability without delving into some of the convoluted ideas that typically circulate the Smash Bros forums around the internet.

An expanded take on Megaman's MvC playstyle would not only be welcomed, but it would not be that surprising either.

I would love for Crono from Chrono Trigger to get in, but that would never, ever happen. Same with Simon Belmont or Alucard from Castlevania.

The problem with that idea is that Mega Man can't acquire power from organic characters. The only way he can absorb power is if Mega Man absorbs it from an inorganic character, like the Robot Masters.

Eh, in a game where Ness can use PK Fire, Link can jump, and Olimar is practically the size of Kirby; I don't think that is a big deal.

I am not sure if the Sonic being cut backlash would be bigger than Mewtwo. Few people were expecting Mewtwo to be cut, whereas both third-party characters are pretty much up there with Lucario and Ike on the "possible cuts" list. That being said, I think Sonic will return, but this time it will be Sega approaching Nintendo. I think Sega realizes how important having Sonic in Smash Bros. is for the future appeal to their character.

The only way I can see Sonic not returning is if Sakurai has some sort of rule about guests not returning.

Pretty much this. We won't be as surprised with Sonic leaving because a lot of us are already expecting him to. We're prepared, unlike with Mewtwo.

 

[IntelliHeath1]

I would love for Crono from Chrono Trigger to get in, but that would never, ever happen. Same with Simon Belmont or Alucard from Castlevania.

Indeed. I would love to have Crono in too.

 

[ChronoBound]

Crono would fit in very well in the world of Smash Bros., he may be from just a standalone game, but his one game is a timeless masterpiece, and probably the best RPG of all time. The DS re-release created a whole new generation of fans for Chrono Trigger. Its a shame that Square-Enix basically wants people to forget they even made that game, and would basically get nothing out of Crono even being in Smash Bros.

Crono in many ways represents the true fusion of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. The character is certainly very popular, but there frankly is no interest in the character to become playable by the Smash Bros. fanbase. Even if Crono were a Top 5 most wanted character, I still doubt he would happen, as Square would get nothing from him being included.

 

[JPW]

have any of you been playing Sonic games lately?

Sonic Colours, Sonic Generations and Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed. Have been some of the best since Sonic Adventure and the early Sonic Mega Drive/Master System Classics.. Now i hate Sonic 2006, and Unleashed and Black Knight like most others. But I believe Sonic is actually back on track right now.

Nonetheless back to the topic at hand. I still believe Sonic fits quite well into this Smash Bros. Universe. I'm quite surprised at the backlash, wasn't it a couple of weeks ago people were convinced Sonic would be returning now all of a sudden some guy says he's just a guest and now he has no chance of returning.

I'm going to stick by a Sonic return. Call it false hope, whatever you like. But I see Sonic sticking around.

He's a guest character, he's a third party player. He's popular, people want to see him back, there's room for improvement on his character.
Not to mention his rivalry with Mario is Video Game history.

Why cut him? Because he's not Nintendo? His games have sold much better on a Nintendo console then they did on PS3 or Xbox. He is more Nintendo than he is anything else.
He's only a guest.
Aren't all characters guests but....? Do any of them deserve to be there besides the main characters?

Anyway i want to talk about Megaman now.

I always had this idea of Megaman having a mini game with in the smash bros. World. Where you fight Megaman bosses. And when you beat them you acquire their skills. And you can set up to 4 different skills for Megaman. And the way to change between your skills is by a down+b function.
For example Magnet Man from MM3. I always loved this powerup. Especiaslly because it allowed you to shoot upwards. And it be awesome if you could use that in Smash Bros. What about Gemini Lasers, or the ability to Freeze Time.
It's a weird idea, but i thought it be nice to have a Customisable Character such as Megaman. Even if Capcom made their own Megaman Mini Game as a way to Customise Megaman to your own liking. But i don't see Capcom going that far.

 

[Arcadenik]

How about giving Mega Man the ability to use special weapons that the Robot Masters used? The catch is... Mega Man's available special weapons are influenced by and are dependent on his opponents.

For example, if Mega Man is in a match against Pikachu, Medusa, and R.O.B... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Sheep Man, Snake Man, and Top Man (instead of tops, he shoots gyros).

Or if Mega Man is in a match against Mii, Takamaru, and Ice Climbers... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Strike Man, Shadow Man (well, he throws shurikens), and Ice Man.

And if Mega Man is in a team match where he is teamed with Little Mac against Pit and Duck Hunt Dog... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Centaur Man (well, he shoots arrows) and Hornet Man (with ducks instead of bees). If Little Mac were an opponent, Mega Man would have gotten Hard Man's special weapon.

To switch special weapons during a match, press either direction on the D-pad. What Mega Man lacks in taunts, he makes up in an unique gameplay experience.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

How about giving Mega Man the ability to use special weapons that the Robot Masters used? The catch is... Mega Man's available special weapons are influenced by and are dependent on his opponents.

For example, if Mega Man is in a match against Pikachu, Medusa, and R.O.B... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Sheep Man, Snake Man, and Top Man (instead of tops, he shoots gyros).

Or if Mega Man is in a match against Mii, Takamaru, and Ice Climbers... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Strike Man, Shadow Man (well, he throws shurikens), and Ice Man.

And if Mega Man is in a team match where he is teamed with Little Mac against Pit and Duck Hunt Dog... then Mega Man's available special weapons are from Centaur Man (well, he shoots arrows) and Hornet Man (with ducks instead of bees). If Little Mac were an opponent, Mega Man would have gotten Hard Man's special weapon.

To switch special weapons during a match, press either direction on the D-pad. What Mega Man lacks in taunts, he makes up in an unique gameplay experience.

That would be interesting but would it work for every character? Like Jigglypuff?

It might be better to give original powers based off all the other characters in the game. They could have similarities to ones from the games if possible.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Sonic was one of the main reasons SSBB was so hyped in the first place.

No need to kid yourselves here... If he were cut from the roster there would be huge amounts of backlash.

I don't even find Sonic's Smash character that appealing at all since his moves are weird to me but even I'd be pretty upset if he didn't return.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Considering Capcom officially endorsed Mega Man x Street Fighter, I'm starting to think that him being able to copy weapons from humans wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Intelligence!]

Of course Mario will be in it

The question is...will make it?

Of course Weegee will make it! He's Weegee!

Anywho, I've been wondering if Squenix will finally get over the liscencing battle and let Sakurai put Geno in. Maybe Little Mac will even make it as a playable character this time.
Hehe... Yeah.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Considering Capcom officially endorsed Mega Man x Street Fighter, I'm starting to think that him being able to copy weapons from humans wouldn't be a bad idea.

Yeah....i'm starting to think that also.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sonic's removal will indeed cause some backlash, but he's a 'guest' fighter in Brawl anyway. There where a lot of legal issues when adding him, dunno if they want to go the same way again. Never cared for Somic though, and even hoped that he wouldn't get in at all. But won't care if he stays this time.

Mewtwo's backlash was quite enourmous though but I doubt Sonic's will / would be as large. Still, someone even said Sheik's removal (and adding Impa) would cause more backlash than Mewtwo's in the Impa thread so who knows how people will react? Just gotta face reality on some points so you won't be dissapointed is my advice. Hence I'm still not even expecting Mewtwo and K.Rool for this one lolz

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anywho, I've been wondering if Squenix will finally get over the liscencing battle and let Sakurai put Geno in.

Geno is not going to be added onto the roster in any Super Smash Bros. game ever. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why, and it's not solely because of copyright.

 

[Starphoenix]

Anywho, I've been wondering if Squenix will finally get over the licencing battle and let Sakurai put Geno in. Maybe Little Mac will even make it as a playable character this time.
Hehe... Yeah.

Neither Nintendo nor Square Enix care about using any of the characters from Super Mario RPG, at all. The only characters Square Enix would allow are from Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest.

 

[Arcadenik]

Neither Nintendo nor Square Enix care about using any of the characters from Super Mario RPG, at all. The only characters Square Enix would allow are from Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest.

Oh, yes, they will. Mario, Peach, and Bowser will come back in SSB4. Toad and his bazooka will be in it.

 

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@Chrono (Trigger) stuff: Haven't played the game but to tell the truth I'd rather have him than some random FF or DQ character (sorry Slime).

@Mega Man: I still say ditch the MvC moveset, it was just plain awful ($5 says it's what kept him out of MvC3). The standard moveset was fairly okay, but the Eddie gimmick and original Supers ruined it. Just have a moveset with a balance between standard and RM weapons.

This is Mega Man we're talking about, the single character with the largest moveset potential in gaming history. We don't need the copy gimmick to make him unique/stand out (I doubt Sakurai would want to program all that anyway), and he's just not MM without the RM weapons either.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

@Chrono (Trigger) stuff: Haven't played the game but to tell the truth I'd rather have him than some random FF or DQ character (sorry Slime).

@Mega Man: I still say ditch the MvC moveset, it was just plain awful ($5 says it's what kept him out of MvC3). The standard moveset was fairly okay, but the Eddie gimmick and original Supers ruined it. Just have a moveset with a balance between standard and RM weapons.

This is Mega Man we're talking about, the single character with the largest moveset potential in gaming history. We don't need the copy gimmick to make him unique/stand out (I doubt Sakurai would want to program all that anyway), and he's just not MM without the RM weapons either.

He is also not Mega-Man, we are assuming we would get the original, without the ability to copy as well

 

[8-peacock-8]

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[Starphoenix]

@Chrono (Trigger) stuff: Haven't played the game but to tell the truth I'd rather have him than some random FF or DQ character (sorry Slime).

@Mega Man: I still say ditch the MvC moveset, it was just plain awful ($5 says it's what kept him out of MvC3). The standard moveset was fairly okay, but the Eddie gimmick and original Supers ruined it. Just have a moveset with a balance between standard and RM weapons.

This is Mega Man we're talking about, the single character with the largest moveset potential in gaming history. We don't need the copy gimmick to make him unique/stand out (I doubt Sakurai would want to program all that anyway), and he's just not MM without the RM weapons either.

No, Arthur is what kept Megaman out of MvC3. And considering both Solid Snake and Sonic the Hedgehog were influenced by the fighting games they appeared in, I think MvC will influence Megaman to a modest degree. Though, obviously, without the supers.

 

[N3ON]

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I'd say this was a more all-encompassing picture by him:

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I've also noticed Saki is missing, and some notable retro characters. Other than that (and some character I'm inevitably forgetting right now), it's amazing how many Smash-related pics this guy has made.

 

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I'd say this was a more all-encompassing picture by him:

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I've also noticed Saki is missing, and some notable retro characters. Other than that (and some character I'm inevitably forgetting right now), it's amazing how many Smash-related pics this guy has made.

I was wondering when someone would bring that guy up again. I use some of his pics for when I make my roster and movesets.

No, Arthur is what kept Megaman out of MvC3. And considering both Solid Snake and Sonic the Hedgehog were influenced by the fighting games they appeared in, I think MvC will influence Megaman to a modest degree. Though, obviously, without the supers.

Arthur? I completely disagree with you there, but I'll save that for another time.

Yeah I can agree that MvC will hold some influence (I'm guessing we're both thinking in terms of standard moves), honestly it's what I've been planning on. However I don't want them to just take the moveset directly from MvC, which honestly I can see Capcom pushing for, so forgive me if I'm a bit fearful.

If anything, I think like everyone else, I just want to see a moveset that's not overly complicated and that keeps him true to his in-game self.

 

[Starphoenix]

Arthur? I completely disagree with you there, but I'll save that for another time.

That wasn't my opinion, that was a statement of fact from Nitsuma himself.

Yeah I can agree that MvC will hold some influence (I'm guessing we're both thinking in terms of standard moves), honestly it's what I've been planning on. However I don't want them to just take the moveset directly from MvC, which honestly I can see Capcom pushing for, so forgive me if I'm a bit fearful.

They did it with Sonic, and filled in the rest, so I'm not sure it would be too big of a deal with Megaman. They'd have to add extra moves anyways since, as far as I recall, Smash Bros has more input for moves than Megaman had in MvC.

 

[Big-Cat]

They'll probably opt for the move set in Street Fighter X Tekken.

 

[Deleted member]

Why not go all the way and have THAT Mega Man in Smash?

 

[FlareHabanero]

Oh sweet lord, I can actually see the massive amount of tears from fans if we got Mega Manchild instead.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

If anything, I'd wish to see something like this to be done for Megaman if added in Smash Bros:

[Collapse= Classic Megaman MvC 3 Moveset]

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The amount of RM-weapons and how they're used is freaking immense, yet creative. Man. I think he'd take the cake from Kirby and Mr Game & Watch when it comes to using your source material only as the sole way to represent to your moveset (though Kirby not so much)

 

[Arcadenik]

That Mega Man moveset looks amazing... now if they can simplify the arcade controls into Smash's controls, it would be great.

 

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That wasn't my opinion, that was a statement of fact from Nitsuma himself.

If you can find me a link that would be great.

They'll probably opt for the move set in Street Fighter X Tekken.

I can see that holding influence as well, though not the Bad Box Art part. Thunder Beam and Ice Slasher would be good for weapon switching. The Mega Punch (which is from an actual MM game) would be great for a U-Smash and reference to Street Fighter (didn't Sakurai say Sonic borrowed from Virtual Fighter? lol).

 

[Deleted member]

I know this doesn't have to do with the current Mega Man discussion, but this does relate to the discussion about Disney and fighting games quite a few pages back.

They actually tossed around an idea similar to Smash Bros. where Disney figurines would fight each other.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/0...her-lost-disney-projects/#1gHC9ccSYhMcGMzV.01

If they were so against their characters in fighting games, would such an idea REALLY have concept art?

 

[Diddy Kong]

King Louie would totally beat the **** out of the Sherrif of Nothingham. Bananas ain't something to mess with. :banana:

 

[8-peacock-8]

I know this doesn't have to do with the current Mega Man discussion, but this does relate to the discussion about Disney and fighting games quite a few pages back.

They actually tossed around an idea similar to Smash Bros. where Disney figurines would fight each other.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/0...her-lost-disney-projects/#1gHC9ccSYhMcGMzV.01

If they were so against their characters in fighting games, would such an idea REALLY have concept art?

Apparently Disney is bipolar.

 

[3Bismyname]

I know this doesn't have to do with the current Mega Man discussion, but this does relate to the discussion about Disney and fighting games quite a few pages back.

They actually tossed around an idea similar to Smash Bros. where Disney figurines would fight each other.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/0...her-lost-disney-projects/#1gHC9ccSYhMcGMzV.01

If they were so against their characters in fighting games, would such an idea REALLY have concept art?

that looks like it would be pretty BA

 

[8-peacock-8]

I could honestly get behind a Disney Smash Bros.

It would also be the only time you'd see Sora and Cloud (Kingdom Hearts version) in a party brawler. (Both would still be very unlikely lul)

 

[N3ON]

I could honestly get behind a Disney Smash Bros.

It would also be the only time you'd see Sora and Cloud (Kingdom Hearts version) in a party brawler.

Why would Cloud (even the KH version) be in a Disney brawler? It's not like he's owned by Disney.

Personally I wouldn't even expect Sora, my guess is they'd only include like... movie Disney characters.

 

[3Bismyname]

which would still be pretty boss.

 

[dezeray112]

I know this doesn't have to do with the current Mega Man discussion, but this does relate to the discussion about Disney and fighting games quite a few pages back.

They actually tossed around an idea similar to Smash Bros. where Disney figurines would fight each other.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/0...her-lost-disney-projects/#1gHC9ccSYhMcGMzV.01

If they were so against their characters in fighting games, would such an idea REALLY have concept art?

That would be an awesome idea! (On the bolded)

 

[8-peacock-8]

Why would Cloud (even the KH version) be in a Disney brawler? It's not like he's owned by Disney.

Personally I wouldn't even expect Sora, my guess is they'd only include like... movie Disney characters.

I'm just saying that it would have been the only party brawler where they'd have a good chance of getting in because Disney and Square seem to have a good business relationship. (i could be wrong. I never kept up with KH)

Obviously you'd expect Disney's cartoon and movie characters. Thats a self explanatory thing. (i'd think they'd want to add Sora to appeal to gamers. This is, of course, ignoring Ralph.)

 

[IntelliHeath1]

If you can find me a link that would be great.



I can see that holding influence as well, though not the Bad Box Art part. Thunder Beam and Ice Slasher would be good for weapon switching. The Mega Punch (which is from an actual MM game) would be great for a U-Smash and reference to Street Fighter (didn't Sakurai say Sonic borrowed from Virtual Fighter? lol).

That's if he want to believe Capcom Community Moderator. I believed that Capcom's Forum Moderator is the one that claimed that information.

 

[N3ON]

which would still be pretty boss.

Ofc. I'm not going to lie, I would buy a Disney brawler no matter how good/bad, similar/different to Smash it ends up being.

(there are also a handful of Disney characters I'd like to beat the hell out of )

I'm just saying that it would have been the only party brawler where they'd have a good chance of getting in. (Surprisingly, both are unlikely in Sony Smash bros)

Obviously you'd expect Disney's cartoon and movie characters. Thats a self explanatory thing. (i'd think they'd want to add Sora to appeal to gamers. This is, of course, ignoring Ralph.)

It's not like it's a guarantee SE would be the developer, if they aren't I don't see them being any less picky with Disney about Cloud than they are with Sony. Or really any IP they are the sole owner of. Sora is possible, but I wouldn't say he'd be likely or anything. I think the premise of the game and the movie characters included would probably appeal to the vast majority of the consumers anyway, but I suppose it would be possible. Of course, this is all fairly pointless speculation.

I'd just be happy with any game where you could hypothetically beat up Maleficent, Hercules, Tarzan, or the Beast with Bambi.

 

[8-peacock-8]

It's not like it's a guarantee SE would be the developer, if they aren't I don't see them being any less picky with Disney about Cloud than they are with Sony. Or really any IP they are the sole owner of. Sora is possible, but I wouldn't say he'd be likely or anything. I think the premise of the game and the movie characters included would probably appeal to the vast majority of the consumers anyway, but I suppose it would be possible. Of course, this is all fairly pointless speculation.

I'd just be happy with any game where you could hypothetically beat up Maleficent, Hercules, Tarzan, or the Beast with Bambi.

Secret boss!!!!: BAMBI'S MOM!!!! (The main reason why i'd want Sora is so i can have Ralph pound his face into the ground)