Rocky Mafia | Day 7 | Game Over | Roles/Night Actions/Comments up on pg 57/58

[Toshi]

I don't see a point in giving you an answer. Sorry =P

Anyways, I'm going to vote for Afropony. No particular reason. Just a gut feeling.

VOTE: Afropony

...Unless Afropony can convince me that he's not a mafia member.

 

[undead_moose]

because i would of died day 1.....

some fun that would of been

 

[xXArrowXx]

now you die night 2 probably... lol
oh well lets be useful and get a decent lynch in, afro? ilag?

 

[undead_moose]

I have a cunning plan to survive! If there is a body guard protect me!

I hope there is a body guard D=

 

[I LAG]

sieg i am the hider

 

[I LAG]

just wondering did vyse hear that story about when shaya was yelling at me i ran behind liam in fear?

 

[Leisha]

Okay finally had the chance to post, and I need to clarify a couple of things. I havent really being lurking, ive just been busys in sydney. Also never joined a lynch bandwagon of any sort, I didnt choose to lynch becuase Nix did it, i had my own personal reasons. Remember, anyone can claim to be anything. Although i will most likely change my vote later on if its nessisary.

As for now, im just going to keep a watchout

 

[Hobobloke]

Sorry for inactivity, been at SQUAT with little to no Internet access.

So I'm caught up now and am really tempted to call Moose's bluff, as luke said we'll get a base to work off no matter what.

 

[Afropony]

I don't see a point in giving you an answer. Sorry =P

Anyways, I'm going to vote for Afropony. No particular reason. Just a gut feeling.

VOTE: Afropony

...Unless Afropony can convince me that he's not a mafia member.

How do you want me to convince you?

 

[Nixernator]

Ok lets face it. If we call his bluff (or not bluff) WE CAN"T BE AT A DISADVANTAGE.
If he dies we know at least 1 more mafia (Arrow) and possibly the rest (Toshi and Scar). If he doesn't die, that basically puts Toshi in the clear as well.
Then the next sus group that could possibly be mafia is Leish, Unreon and Afro and maybe Summoner as they are all going for similar things (goals and lynches).
This gives us a very good base of not only putting individuals in the clear but establishing whole groups of mafia who can be ignored and voted off. Which IMO is where we've gone wrong in the last few games.

Basically we need to establish who consistently groups together (and we have found a few so far) and when just one of them is found to be mafia, BANG! We know all mafia.

 

[Toshi]

I don't know.

Surprise me.

I might change my vote.

 

[Vlade]

Nix I'd also like to point out that while that logic may seem plausible, it can certainly be horrible for townies if the Mafia use it to their advantage

E.G. a townie votes a lynch on someone, then another townie, then a couple of mafia

Just things like that, the mafia will be voting strategically so I would be careful about separating the players into 'groups'

 

[Afropony]

I don't know.

Surprise me.

I might change my vote.

OK.. You voted for me because of my constant bandwagging right?
My first vote was no lynch because I was being stupid and not taking anything into consideration. A lot of other people were voting for you but I didn't so people thought because of my post maybe I was just being a person that wouldn't vote for you because maybe we were both Mafia. But, why would you now be trying to lynch me if we were both Mafia, it wouldn't make sense.

For my second vote which I think was on Moose I just wanted to see some reactions, it got Moose saying a lot of stuff and it also made Arrow and Ilag more suspicious to me.

My third vote was on Ilag because when I thought about everything so far he looked the most Mafia'ish to me.

That's all the votes I've done so far, not really that much bandwagging.

 

[xXArrowXx]

no nix it is disadvantagous.
if we do "kill" moose, and he is lying and town thats bad. also probably town dies because they voted first.
-2 town + possible -1 town depending on how much he lied about his powers

if we do try to"kill" moose, and doesn't die then hes telling the truth. so we can trust toshi or moose. because one will die because of mafia. the first person voted on him dies aswell which is probably town.
-2 town

if we dont try to "kill" moose, and hes telling the truth/half truth (about powers) we can trust him and toshi for the time being and get a lynch on a mafia, toshi or moose will die tho. could role check again
-1 town + -1 maf or town (with increased chance because of the 2 know town people)

if we dont try to "kill" moose, and hes maf. its unlikily he is maf with crazy powers like that.
-1 town + -1 maf or town depending whether moose controls the lynch. someone could always role check

other scenerio is unlikily but someone can play it out

the 1 town kill is obvious from the night phase. and i am assuming that mafia wont start the lynch on moose, because why should they take that risk, if the town is so willing.

the best course of action is to not vote for moose. -,- i support it logically so stfu.

 

[luke_atyeo]

just wondering did vyse hear that story about when shaya was yelling at me i ran behind liam in fear?

I hope thats a joke, because who'd be scared of shaya? you might be a little guy but you could still **** him up.

 

[luke_atyeo]

You know how arrow said there is a third party at work?

Well my "Mission" Is to protect toshi

And there is a very good reason for this

I will die before toshi does GUARANTEED

But i like how no one has counter claimed me meaning that i must be mafia instead of getting a instant clear like what happens in most NORMAL games

If you lynch me today with this info i will kill the first person who voted for me.... Just because you are all ******** for still believing i could be mafia.

allright well I know I'm harping on about this, but I'm still not 100% convinced, there has been alot of sus stuff you have said and done.

But i like how no one has counter claimed me meaning that i must be mafia instead of getting a instant clear like what happens in most NORMAL games.

but I like how your implying that we're being stupid by not immidiantly believing you, how do we know your not lying? how do we know you havnt done a little research and just made this character and role up completely? its not hard to do.
speaking of which, you havnt told us everything, if you want to be freed from suspicion, I think you should tell us all 3 of your roles, is that too much to ask, since you keep saying your going to die anyway?

and what about toshi's "ability" maybe its that whole, 'sibling' thing, where if one dies, then the other dies too (moose), is that how it is?

if we just give up and believe everything everyone says, we're going to get nowhere.

 

[xXArrowXx]

if we believe, there are still other suspicious people. plus we would have 2 townies on our side. that certainly lowers down the list.

moose just takes the bullet for toshi, lycnh or mafia. however if mooose is targeted by a lynch he wont die. but his power should still come in effect. also at night he will investigate someones role.

also i dont think its wise for him to reveal more. theres enough told.

lets just vote for someone else sus. someone can always check moose at night if they are paranoid. but yeah he most likily will die. unless theres a body guard on him XP. he likily to die for his useful powers.

hes come out on day 2. its like a death sentance to mafia. you would have to be really stupid. plus we have a day or 2 going on believing him. but yeah no one else is like "hey thats my role".

 

[unreon]

Vlade is the middleman here; he always pulls people back when we say bad ideas

Luke is the opposite; he is willing to be suspicious of lots of people, especially Arrow and Moose.

I disagree with Nix's idea and still stand that Moose is likely innocent.

I said before that I was going to vote with my next post, but I realised we have so much more time. Keep the conversation going guys, it's all really interesting no matter what people have to say.

However, I still think Afropony is flying under the radar in suspiciousness. Either he has some farfetch'd reasons for voting (so he wouldn't look like a mafia, draw reaction from moose but now ILAG is most suss).

To be honest, I can't get a good read on ILAG at all. He's just the type of guy who's posts can either border on genius or insanity.

 

[Vyse]

2nd Official Day 2 Vote Count:
(2) undead_moose : Nixernator, LeishaChu
(1) SummonerAU : undead_moose
(2) Afropony : I LAG, Toshi
(3) I LAG : Sieg, Afropony, xXArrowXx
(1) Toshi : Vlade

(6) Not voting: Unreon, Lord Bowser, Muzga, kupo, luke_atyeo, SummonerAU

With 15 alive, it takes a vote of 8 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for 11:59PM December 22nd AEST!
If a majority is not reached, the person with the highest number of votes will be lynched!
If multiple people have the majority of votes, whoever reached that majority first will be lynched!
If no votes are cast then the game moderator will roll dice!

---0 Hour Zone---
9. Unreon                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Today, 08:17 PM
2. xXArrowXx                  [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Today, 12:38 PM 			 			
7. Luke_Atyeo                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Today, 12:12 AM

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11. Afropony                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 10:19 PM
6. Vlade                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 10:13 PM 			 			 
14. Toshi                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 09:30 PM 			 			
15. Nixenator                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 09:26 PM 			 			

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12. Lord Bowser                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 07:27 PM 			 			
4. LeishaChu                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 02:53 PM 			 			
13. I_LAG                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 02:41 PM 			 			
1. undead_moose                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 02:21 PM 			 			
5. Sieg                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 01:40 PM 			 			
3. SummonerAU                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]Yesterday, 01:30 PM

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8. Muzga                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]12-10-2009, 11:24 AM 			 			
16. kupo                 [IMG]http://www.smashboards.com/images/revolution/statusicon/post_old.gif[/IMG]12-09-2009, 01:45 PM

Muzga and kupo have received a fake prod.

 

[Vlade]

2nd Official Day 2 Vote Count:
(2) undead_moose : Nixernator, LeishaChu
(2) SummonerAU : undead_moose
(2) Afropony : I LAG, Toshi
(2) I LAG : Sieg, Afropony, xXArrowXx
(1) Toshi : Vlade

It says 2 have voted for summoner but only moose is listed. Just though I'd point that out

 

[Vyse]

Ah, thank you Vlade. Also the vote count number on I LAG was wrong, so I adjusted it too.

EDIT: Upon being prodded, kupo has decided to drop out of the game. I will be asking Pete278 to replace in, but if he has spoken to any of you and you have told him things about your roles/alignments, he cannot participate in the game, so please inform me if this is the case. (And it is definitely in your best interest to tell me if you have done as much)

If you guys know of anybody else who could potentially replace in, and does not know anything about what roles you or anybody else in the game has, please feel free to contact me about them if Pete declines/cannot replace in.

 

[Muzga]

I Lag, sorry buddy but im voting for you.
You never explained your reasoning for any of your actions. Youve just been acting like a loose cannon and pointing the finger constantly despite a complete lack of evidence or anything like that. You never explained proprely why you were initially so intent on voting for toshi, you said he was the "best choice" but you never explained your reasoning or why you thought he was so suspicious. The only reason youre voting for afropony seems to be the fact that he voted for you. Your course of actions have been so illogical and convoluted and confusing. If you can explain yourself better i will revoke my vote though

Vote: I Lag

 

[Vyse]

Pete278 replaces kupo

 

[Vlade]

This might seem strange but I think it's safe to say that Pete278 is not mafia

Usually Mafia members are inclined to stay in the game and are more motivated to do so

At the very least, I'm not as suspicious of Pete278's role at this point in time, we'll have to see how he contributes

 

[Sieg]

Maybe it was Kupo's plan to get randomed out.

SO PETE CAN STRIKE!.

Yeah, I'm just pulling **** out of my *** here.

 

[xXArrowXx]

yeah it would be weird to pull out if you were mafia.
not certain but certain enough to assume thats hes town.

so why is vlade voting toshi??

 

[luke_atyeo]

1.also at night he will investigate someones role.

2.but yeah no one else is like "hey thats my role".

1. what? since when can he do that? he only 'knows' toshi's role because they are connected

2. did you even read my post at all?

Luke is the opposite; he is willing to be suspicious of lots of people, especially Arrow and Moose.

I'm just chasing this as far as it needs to go, as soon as moose comes under fire he says something that everyone suddenly believes? thats not going to get us anywhere.

we need to throughly investigate these things, look them over make sure he's telling the truth, and arrow's not doing much to help his own case either.

 

[xXArrowXx]

1. he said he had the power to investigate roles. or atleast by my memory
2. yeah i did. it was whining saysing how you dont believe moose, how you want some solid proof.

sure solid proof is great. but its day 2. you are asking us to lose definate townie for the sake of what? he knows nothing other than toshi is town. and if hes declared as town publicly he will most likily die at night due to he is someone with powers that the town can trust.

you sound like mafia luke, how about you reveal your role so we all can trust you.

 

[Pete278]

Dear god, I just read 24 pages of this thread, it took alot of effort.

First of all, Muzga's posts have been awfully suspicious. Though a good portion of his afk time has been off in SQUAT, he has been here for enough to make some credible posts, and yet all he's done is trying to start a No Lynch bandwagon and defend himself with poor logic first day, followed by starting to defend himself after it looked like the pressure would be put on the No Lynchers. However, you guys seemed to have eased off that point, possibly because putting pressure on a guy in a different state doesn't do anything.

I_LAG's logic seems to be rather bad at points, plus him and xXArrowXx seem to be jumping to conclusions, and I'm not sure whether or not they're doing that as part of a colloboration or if ILag is just dumb. However, I doubt collaboration, as voting to lynch Mafia as a defense while they've got votes seems like a bad idea. Thus, I'd go for one or the other. However, Arrow could be putting himself in the clear by lynching fellow mafia, so if ILag is mafia, I would still suspect Arrow.

Moose is a safe bet, really, because either way we know something good. If there's a bodyguard in the game and we lynch Moose and he stays alive, make sure to protect him. I'd probably protect him either way, though, as he seems to be the safest bet for protection as nobody else has claimed anything, thus could be anything and a waste of a protect, when Moose is either at least mafia or Mic. Toshi, I'd say, isn't a good vote choice at the moment though, since Moose is the better option of the two, imo.

Lastly, Afropony has been afk quite a bit, and didn't claim a role when pressured by Toshi, thus he's either unconvinced he'll be lynched and doesn't want to risk his role, is mafia, or is a regular townie and has nothing to risk, imo. Putting some more pressure on him could be good, but you don't want to get too close to lynching him or the mafia could step in and finish the lynch.

I'm going to withhold my vote at the moment, but I should have one soon, after a bit of deliberation.

 

[luke_atyeo]

thats the point dimwit, you cant trust someone who reveals there role, so I'm saying we need to look at this from all angles, not that we need solid proof, l2comprehension.

and the whole 2. thing, I said it would be easy for him to just make up his role, and you countered with 'but yeah no one else is like "hey thats my role"' do you see the problem here?

if he did make up the role, no-one else is going to say "hey thats my role"

you sound way more like mafia then I do.

 

[Pete278]

True, but Mic is a likely player, since, y'know, he's Mic, and he'd likely be townie, so claiming player was more dangerous for him than just claiming role, as other people could claim player without claiming role.

 

[SummonerAU]

Hey Arrow, we already have ONE person claiming to have an ability around. I sure hope Luke doesn't actually reply to that because that would be stupid. If both of them actually have an ability, the doc would be hard pressed to guess which one the mafia would go for. If Luke is mafia he could just lie and gain your trust if you're saying people claiming an ability are instantly cleared (see here "how about you reveal your role so we all can trust you"). I liked your analysis on what would happen if we lynched moose but asking someone to reveal a role when there's already one out would be idiotic as town.

Why am I not in bedZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Good effort Pete.

 

[Vlade]

yeah it would be weird to pull out if you were mafia.
not certain but certain enough to assume thats hes town.

so why is vlade voting toshi??

This is because Toshi was the person I voted for in conjunction with Summoner's idea, but then Moose stirred things up a fair bit and now I'm very unsure

I have decided to just keep this vote for the time being rather than making any more rash decisions

 

[Vlade]

Also on the topic of 'counter claims':

In a closed setup, they aren't too reliable because we do not know how many of each role there are, it's possible there are multiple cops, right?

 

[Pete278]

I don't there will be two people with the same 'player' though, so claiming player is more reliable than role, which isn't too verifiable

 

[undead_moose]

@arrow

I never said i could investigate

I was given toshis role in my PM and told it was my mission to protect him... and i can as long as i am alive...

 

[xXArrowXx]

ah i see moose. well i was wrong then.

i think theres a diversity of people that attended rocky and the game set up would show that.
so one of each i think, whateva that means

also fair enough, i could be mafia trying to sacrifice the mafia.. but really why would they do that now? little is known about the mafia because of that stupid no lynch. it would put mafia at a disadvantage so early.

but yeah i said ilag was sus from the start. i even used caps. because i read on another forum the "oo ive been away for sometime because of blah, ive read up on the pages and i think.. blah" is classic mafia give away. i vouch for it because the first game as a mafia i played i used that approach.

@luke its possible. say if it was your role to protect toshi. i suspose its unlikly tho. but the thing is i wasn't agruing against that point...i just said that no one has challenged the roles claim.

 

[I LAG]

btw guys i'm not mafia

like if i get caught being mafia i wont use metaknight ever again =O

 

[Nixernator]

Ok a few options I've come up with.
No 1. Pete's first post rocked... ROCKED I SAY.
No 2. Arrow is Mafia
No 3. Moose has that crazy ability
No 4. Toshi really has the ability, and Moose is claiming its his so people vote for the one who can't be killed.
No 5. Moose is mafia and so is Toshi.
No 6. Arrow is mafia.

That is all.

 

[xXArrowXx]

why u think i am mafia nix?

all you do is accuse people. and dont see it from all angles as luke would say =P

btw i am willing to call ilags bluff. its 2 good if he never uses mk again.