ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!

[Cubone]

Well, that's when I said you should approach... when he's PSing/countercamping. But you've got to have initative to win in this matchup. You can't let it stalemate. If you're on even stocks, you should approach. But of course, if you're a stock ahead, or even same stocks 80% lead, then you can just try to wait it out.

Cubone first four frames of UpB have invincibility.

Alright, thanks. Thats what I was guessing but I wasn't sure.

Oh, and what frame are we able to do something out of the upb?

 

[-LzR-]

Good advice that made me much better in this MU, try to avoid going aerial onstage. You will lose.

 

[Zwarm]

So I've been trying to figure out things that ROB can buffer, but I'm struggling to find anything useful. Anyone know any neat tricks with ROB and buffering?

A little late on this, but the main thing I buffer is bair to B-reverse gyro. It's pretty useful, I don't buffer much besides that though.

 

[Sevic_Hicoro]

hey
when does ROBs super armor frame come into play during his side B? and also, how long does it last for?

 

[ccst]

I've surely done this, but what is "buffer"?

 

[-LzR-]

Please, for the love of god, just don't...

 

[TheMike]

I've surely done this, but what is "buffer"?

Buff is when a character or a move is improved. For instance, Mr. Game & Watch was buffed in Brawl(compared to Melee). Its opposite is nerf: "Captain Falcon was nerfed in Brawl".


See also:

Buff
Nerf

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

man if that's what buffer's meant this whole time I've been waaaay off

 

[Silhouette]

LMAO at the other responses.

I've surely done this, but what is "buffer"?

Its when you input a move during another move. When you "buffer" something, you are telling your character to do something before he can actually do it, then he will perform the move as soon as possible.

This is also how you can take advantage of "IASA" (Interruptible As Soon As) frames and such.

There is no buffering in Melee, so for example if you input a forward smash towards the end of a forward smash you will not perform it. In Brawl you will do a second forward smash.


Buffering usually adds more tech to a fighting game, specifically useful in the Street Fighter series and other 2d fighters for "charge" attacks that require you to be holding a certain direction on you controller for a few seconds before you can perform an attack, but in Brawl it acta a little differently. It opens a window for error where you dont have to have the timing down to input your attack the moment your last attack ended, yet techniques that require frame-perfect buffering can be rather difficult and require practice.

 

[-LzR-]

Buffering is so useful that you just have to master it.

 

[Cubone]

Any idea when we are supposed to get complete frame data?

Still wondering when we can react out of our upb... =\

 

[ccst]

Okay, thanks Sil. I've surely done that, just didn't know the name of it.

And I want to see R.O.B.'s (pivot)grab range, see the frames, but even his special attacks and his huge blindspots.

 

[TheMike]

Lol, I totally confused the buff you were talking about. Sorry.

 

[ccst]

No problem Mike.

 

[iamjason8]

Do we have a ROB match-up index?

And who is allowed to start the character A vs character B mu threads? lol thnx <--- yes I actually don't know this.

 

[Cubone]

Do we have a ROB match-up index?

And who is allowed to start the character A vs character B mu threads? lol thnx <--- yes I actually don't know this.

We haven't completed a a match up discussion yet... there is a sticky here for matchups though, and everything is being posted within that thread.

If you need help with a certain character you should just ask about it here (after you check if it was discussed first)

 

[TheMike]

We completed once.

 

[Cubone]

We completed once.

We did? 0.o

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Sil, you're almost completelly right...

Buffer is inputting a move during the final ten frames of either an IASA window or just various animations. Prime examples are buffering a second jump out of a ledge getup, or a glidetoss/roll out of spotdodge. So anytime you're in "lag" of some sort, you can buffer.

However, buffering requires slightly different inputs. Like, flicking Z to buffer a grab, instead of pressing it, or flicking the analog stick to the side, then quickly tapping A to buffer an FTilt.

 

[Silhouette]

Ok cool, thanks for the fix indigo.

These dang researchers know their sh*t.

 

[TheMike]

We did? 0.o

Yeah, some years ago when Dull Razor led most discussions.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Some years ago meaning two.

Looking smexy in dat blue Sil.

 

[Silhouette]

You've got a pretty smexy blue yourself.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

How does red look on me?

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Pretty awesome, boss.

Though it doesn't go well with Ambigutor.

 

[GwJ]

Default color.

Get@me

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

See that's why you were Lt. Surge <3

 

[Croissant]

So... I'm confused on instant throwing... you dodge and then c-stick to throw if the item's on the ground? If it's in the air you have to z-catch to do it, yes?

 

[Sharky]

no, you can instathrow something that's in the air with an airdodge too.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

The only things airdodges can be cancelled into are throws and Zairs.

So basically to instant throw aerially airdodge and immediately input/buffer/w/e a throw with the CStick.

 

[sneakytako]

Can you insta-throw on the ground if you pick up an item with A?

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Afaik, no, you can't. To instant throw while grounded, you need to catch a projectile with the CSTick then tap CStick again quickly to throw it.

I.e. you can instant throw a peanut/tossed banana, but you can't pick up a banana lying on the stage and instant throw it.

 

[Sharky]

only way to instathrow something on the ground is to jump as you approach it and then instathrow

 

[Indigo Jeans]

Then that would technically be aerial IT. ;P

Alternatively you can SH airdodge so that you land and pick up a grounded item, them buffer a throw in the lag. Although that wouldn't be true ITing in a conservative sense, it would still be executing a throw on the earliest frame possible after that action.

 

[Sharky]

true, it would be an aerial, but it's still the only option (along with what you said obviously, pretty much an alternate version of what I said lol)

also I'm pretty sure you can time it so you throw the item before you land

 

[Indigo Jeans]

You can.

In fact, Snake can do a really cool sort of "on demand" aerial instant throw with his nades.

When you shield to drop a nade, the nade falls around his upper torso/head.

Jump comes out on frame 1 OoS.

So basically what he can do is shield(jump) > nade catch > AIT

If only ROB could do that. :<

 

[ccst]

Smash Lab, any new information or just an update would be great.

 

[Indigo Jeans]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286663

It might help to check stickies in other forums every once in a while.

 

[GwJ]

No sarcasm allowed starturds. You haven't been around long enough for that.

>Implying that I have?

 

[Indigo Jeans]

No sarcasm allowed starturds. You haven't been around long enough for that.

>Implying that I have?

mang **** yo couch mang