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There's been at least 10 hours between this post, the post before it and the post before that, we should move on
SMT is niche as hell and the promotion train started waaaaaaay too late to every be in consideration by Nintendo back when they were picking characters. The chances of them picking SMT over a more conventionally popular video game franchise or promoting a first party franchise are... slim to say the least.
I own his damn thread and his series deserves a playable character with all the sheer ****ing history it has. As far as JRPG characters go, he's got a bunch of unique moves and an awesome aesthetic.
Same reasoning as Demi-fiend but his game's also not even out yet.
Only reason it's 5% less is because I don't own the game yet. Regardless, he looks awesome and the same reasoning applies.
x5 "Something Idon actually wants"
Every time lmao.Demi-Fiend
I feel like Kazuya steps on his toes just a bit too much, but a demonic brawler with summons would be an amazing pick. Also, SMT.
The planning would be insanely difficult considering it comes out at the end of this year and had to be decided as a fighter at least loosely several years ago. But SMT!
Gacha games are banned in Europe due to laws relating to lootboxes.The one thing that really goes against him is that if I go on the google playstore and search Dragalia Lost, I will never find the game since it's unavailable on European playstores, to which I just want to ask why. No really, why is it unavailable on european playstores? It's just confusing at this point, traducting it and putting it on European playstores would just be more money for Nintendo, but they don't do it for some reason. Hell, even if they don't want to traduce it they could put it there in only english and still get money from it, but nope. Nintendo really confuses me sometimes.
Even then, isn't Artoria still the overall mascot of the series? Even if Gil got the anime, I feel like Artoria would still come out on top. In a way, this kinda feels like Arle vs. Amitie. Arle's the original and big mascot, but Amitie was a main character that got priority for several years once SEGA got the franchise.While she is the mascot of the series and is also very popular and important, so are Shirou and Gilgamesh. One big thing that Gilgamesh has is that while Artoria is the app icon for Grand Order, the promotional anime for Grand Order was mainly about Gilgamesh
First, wanted to let you know that one of those images isn't working. Second, aren't you taking this a little too seriously? Like, I get caring about historical accuracy, but I'd argue that the first game should've clued you in that that wasn't gonna be a big priority for the series...Want: 0% - No. Just no. You have no idea how much I despise this franchise. Where do we start? The designs for the series took a nosedive ever since that God forsaken mobile game became successful. And as someone who loves history, I HATE the way historical figures are designed and portrayed in this game. They're watered down to buzzword historical references and anime tropes, and the physical designs aren't much better. Leaders are waifutized left and right I mean how the F*** did they see someone like this and end up with a design like this?!), the designs are extremely lewd, and most of the characters (with the exception of Vlad the Impaler and Julius Caesar) look nothing like their historical counterparts. What's even the point? It bothers me whenever people criticize Nuclear Gandhi then defend this s***. Let's not forget the baggage! Back during my painful days in the Kancolle community, there was a lot of overlap with modern Fate, so I was exposed to an unhealthy amount of it through friends and enemies alike, and those are days I do NOT want to re-live. And don't even get me started on that got awful 4th of July event (I should've avoided Twitter that day), where I saw my country's history slowly torn apart by some smug waifu in a bikini. Absolutely disgusting... And don't forget the gacha!!! Because everyone LOVES PNG loot boxes, right?! Now, I'm not too hard on characters like Emiya, Mashu, Shirou and Rin, etc since since they're OCs and don't have the same baggage as most of the servants, but I'm just so done with the Fate series and I don't want to see anything of it in Smash. Now, it's be a LITTLE better if they just stuck to Stay Night and Zero, when the series was comparatively much more respectable.
... just barely....
Want: 0% - Remember how I mentioned that Fate was popular in the Kancolle community? Granblue was as well, and it was, of course, yet another unforgiving gacha. Like I said, this just isn't a genre that should be represented in a hall of fame for gaming, when their longevity is terrible and their method of monetization is extremely predatory. And the gameplay, from what I've seen, isn't too fun either. I've never liked pointless grinding in video games, and the grind game in Granblue is terrible. Does anybody really want that? So yeah, like all of the others, these two get a 0. I just can't find anything that I'd enjoy about Granblue joining Smash.
Never knew Kancolle effed you up this badly, I don't know if I should be mad since you constantly paint them as bad just because you are caught between the crossfire of the fandom or have a sympathy towards you.Let's not forget the baggage! Back during my painful days in the Kancolle community, there was a lot of overlap with modern Fate, so I was exposed to an unhealthy amount of it through friends and enemies alike, and those are days I do NOT want to re-live. And don't even get me started on that got awful 4th of July event (I should've avoided Twitter that day), where I saw my country's history slowly torn apart by some smug waifu in a bikini. Absolutely disgusting... And don't forget the gacha!!! Because everyone LOVES PNG loot boxes, right?! Now, I'm not too hard on characters like Emiya, Mashu, Shirou and Rin, etc since since they're OCs and don't have the same baggage as most of the servants, but I'm just so done with the Fate series and I don't want to see anything of it in Smash. Now, it's be a LITTLE better if they just stuck to Stay Night and Zero, when the series was comparatively much more respectable.
Here, lemme fix that.First, wanted to let you know that one of those images isn't working. Second, aren't you taking this a little too seriously? Like, I get caring about historical accuracy, but I'd argue that the first game should've clued you in that that wasn't gonna be a big priority for the series...
I guess it varies from person to person. I had a few friends who played Granblue and they complained a ton about the gacha and grind game. It really depends on how much luck you have.Probably just me but I found Granblue's gacha system much more generous than Fate (or maybe I'm just lucky) still I'm not the type of person who just lash out and gatekeep game the same reason why I don't care if gaming company that has unpleasant track record gets represented.
I mean most of them do but they do it in a more trivial way and not really surface level that basically turn into fan theory of some sort (i.e Jack is that way because of a conspiracy about the killer identity), I still give them credit by blindsided me with the depiction of Julius Caesar and Hans Anderson.Here, lemme fix that.
And sorry to get so abrasive, that element of the franchise just hit a real sour spot for me. They could've tried much harder to make characters resemble their origins in some degree.
Julius is probably one of the most accurate-looking characters in the franchise, I could believe a fat Julius in a modern military coat would look like that.I mean most of them do but they do it in a more trivial way and not really surface level that basically turn into fan theory of some sort (i.e Jack is that way because of a conspiracy about the killer identity), I still give them credit by blindsided me with the depiction of Julius Caesar and Hans Anderson.
Noms go to GiygasI've been dreading this day for a while.
I guess to give context and also to avoid repeating myself I'll start by quoting myself from the last time we rated a Fate character.
Heh, January me had been dreading that day as well.Woo boy I’ve been dreading this day
The guy that burnt Rome, now in waifu form!
If a Fate character gets in, it’s Saber. And not Red Saber, the one people know. There might be arguments for other characters to get in, but not any Saber before the Saber. Fate in Smash alone is something I don’t find likely at all, so this doesn’t even earn my obligatory post-Piranha Plant 1%.
I don’t want Fate in Smash. I would hate Fate in Smash. Fate in Smash is to be on the level of Minecraft in Smash. There are several reasons as to why. Maybe it’s because of the H-game origin. Maybe it’s because I think it’s claim to fame isn’t videogames, but rather anime (like Digimon). Maybe it’s because I heavily associate Fate with gacha games, which are slowly but surely killing the industry. Maybe it’s because I’m severely uncomfortable with the tendency to play fast and loose with history, including but not limited to: turning real-life people into waifus, lolis and traps, and butchering several mythologies. Fate just makes me uncomfortable and I’d rather stay as far away from it as possible.
So, what's changed, what's stayed the same, and what's different between Blue Saber and Red Saber?
Since then I guess you could say Smash has reaffirmed itself as a "everything-goes-as-long-as-it's-a-videogame" crossover, at least for the time being. So the argument could be made that Fate could be included despite its obscurity outside Japan on the back of its massive Japanese popularity. I disagree, though. We haven't really reached this point yet, at least.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Fate Grand Order fallen out of popularity relative to Granblue Fantasy? This is hearsay, so don't take my word as fact, but I definitely heard this somewhere. Probably from an irl friend who is an uber-fan of the franchise.
There's also the additional fact that Fate Grand Order (the most popular game and really the only reason we're even debating this right now) is published by a Sony subsidiary. This isn't something new, but I hadn't mentioned it before, and how much this would affect Smash chances is up for debate (the IP is still in the firm hands of type moon and Sega even got to do an arcade version of Grand Order).
Obviously the biggest difference is that Saber is kind of the face of the franchise so she definitely beats Nero and probably any other character when it comes to chances.
As for what stays the same... I really don't think Nintendo's going for this. We're talking about a series that started as hentai games, guys. This is a franchise whose claims to fame are anime and gacha games. It's not a gaming titan; it's barely a game to begin with. If they wanted to rep visual novels, there are better candidates. I doubt Nintendo would rep it over other gachas - like the one it owns (FE Heroes) or the other one it owns (Dragalia Lost) or even the one owned by a company it partly owns (****ing Granblue Fantasy again). And if they wanted to rep H-games... Well you got me there, but it wouldn't happen.
As for want: beyond the moral reason why I don't want to pretend gacha games are anything but exploitative, predatory bull**** ruining the industry and people's lives... Fate really makes me uncomfortable. I've mentioned why before, pretty much. I'm sorry if this offends any fans, but... yeah. I don't think Fate deserves to be in Smash, but also I don't want it there, pure and simple. I hope when I die people don't turn me into an anime person and objectify me for cash; to be honest I feel like that's one of the biggest disservices you could do to a person.
I figured I'd end this rating with a quote by @ProfPeanut that always stuck with me.
(Oh yeah scores are 0%)Behold the amorality of historical revisionism. Behold its flagrant complicity in Japan's never-ending hunger for waifus.
Kyle Hyde prediction: Oh boy I guess I gotta write that big post! C'mon guys, give him a chance! (Yeah 0.9%)
Noms: Prince of Persia x5
And where might EA have gotten that idea? Like it or not business models that are successful in mobile can and do bleed into the console and PC landscapes.When that industry your talking about is f2p mobile game and won't affect the console industry anytime soon or better yet straight off dissing on them, this is less worst than what EA has been normalizing
Does this include extra noms?Using two hour rule to abstain from Demi Lovato and Nhbnooo.
Noms: DJ Octavio x however many I earned