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Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

PapillonXtreme

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Toad

Chance: 3%
With him still part of Peach and Daisy's moves, I just don't think Toad has a chance as DLC. Piranha Plant's inclusion already killed any chance of a Mario character appearing as DLC (except Geno). Sure, he might be an unexpected character, but I don't think he would generate a lot of hype from people and wouldn't sell well than any other first and third-party characters.

Want: 10%
I like Toad, but I don't want it in Smash. He just doesn't sound too interesting to me and I would rather have Captain Toad than a regular Toad as a playable character. Speaking of which...

Captain Toad

Chance: 7%
He has the same problems as the regular Toad, except he's part of the stage (which I don't think deconfirm him). I still believe we're getting mostly third-party characters as DLC and even if we put Captain Toad in there, he has a lot of competition with other first-party characters like Bandana Dee, Elma, Edelgard and many others. The reason I give him a higher rating than the regular Toad is that he's rather popular and had a recent game.

Want: 85%
I like Captain Toad more than the regular Toad. I have played Treasure Tracker ever since I got my hands on it and I'm loving the character, more so than the regular Toad. I wish for him to appear in Smash Ultimate, but with Joker's inclusion and Reggie's statement, I don't think Captain Toad can join...Maybe next time.

Nominations:
Nero Claudius x5
 

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Toad
Chance: 0.1%
They made him even more prominent in Peach's moveset than before. I don't think it's happening.
Want: N/A
Abstaining from The Cooler Toad.

Layton prediction: 25%
Noms: Stages outside Fighter Pass x5
 

Sid-cada

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Toad

Chance - 0,25% - While Chrom does show that a character can appear as part of another, I think there is a big difference between this and Toad. Chrom, in game play, only plays a part in Robin's final Smash, which is a quick move that only happens when you acquire an item. This doesn't have much room for confusion. Toad, on the other hand, is both Peach's Neutral Special and grab, and shares this with Daisy. He is more likely to be viewed and is a bigger part of her move set, and is more likely to cause confusion. I don't see this happening, for the sake of game play.

Want - 55% - I feel like a Toad should be in. It's just that I'm more invested in Captain Toad.


Captain Toad

Chance - 1% - While a background element can be removed without much consequence, I still don't think he's overly likely. Putting him in there probably means that he probably isn't on their minds. Sadly, I don't think he will make the first round.

Want - 85% - While I'm not attached to the character, it really does feel like he should be in. I would prefer Captain Toad over regular Toad, though, as I feel that gives a bit more inspiration for moves.


Predictions

Prof. Layton - 7.44% - Not that well...


Nominations

Dark Matter X5
 

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Toad
Chance: Abstain
Want: 50%

Not sure where to rate Toad on chance. Sure he and a blue Toad are part of Peach and Daisy's moveset, but are those Toads specifically Toad and Blue Toad, and not some random member of the Toad species? Toad's pretty iconic. Why deny Toad outright because one Toad is being used by Peach when there's a whole bunch of Toads that look just like that one? Pretty neutral about Toad getting in.

Captain Toad
Chance: 50%
Want: 50%

It's either happening or it's not. Captain Toad not jumping is a non issue when there's other characters in Smash that can't jump in their respective games. Just make his air game crappy like Little Mac. And him showing up in the background looking around in New Donk CIty is a non issue too. Pull an Alfonzo by replacing Captain Toad with some other Toad or don't put in any replacement. Also neutral towards Captain Toad as well.

Boss Rush x5
 

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Toad
Chance: Abstain (everything is possible)
Want: 0%

Nah

Captain Toad
Chance: Abstain
Want: 50%

Yeah why not I kind of like the guy, but I also don't matter if he's not in.
 

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Abstaining completely on Professor Layton.

Phoenix Wright chance prediction: 31.29%

Nominations:
Concept: SNK rep x5
 

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So I guess it's time yet again.

Well, I think it makes sense to callback to the day I gave it my all. I'll bring it back here, because the majority of it is still relevant to where Professor Layton stands now. There are a few changes to it though, as you'll see upon reading it.

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Professor Layton and Luke decided to look through a video camera to recall certain memories. With the recent news of some more fighters that will be invited to the new Super Smash Bros tournament. They watched it again, and decided to rename their video as of the time they watched it to "Rate their Chances - Switch Edition! Day 214 - Professor Layton."

This was the video they watched:



Look, Professor! The Rate Their Chances thread is back! I didn't think it would return so soon, let alone did I think it would examine you this early on!



Well, it's only natural the announcement of an upcoming Smash tournament to entice people to the point of reviving fun ways to keep their excitements high.



That makes sense. The Rate Their Chances game seems to be one of those traditions people do to prepare for the Smash tournament.



Indeed. It's a place where people speculate about a fighter's chances of participating in the upcoming Smash tournament. Seeing how the thread thrives with speculation, this reminds me of a puzzle!



A puzzle? What do you have in mind, Professor?



Luke, remember when we first participated in the Rate Their Chances thread two years ago in that Character Support Thread Group part of Smashboards?



Yes, I do! We talked about what we thought your chances at appearing in the Smash tournament at the time!



Precisely, my boy! Seeing how we first discussed my chances at appearing in the Smash tournament a while ago, I think it is worth discussing it again.



But it has only been two years since we solved that puzzle, Professor. I don't think much has changed.



Oh, you would be surprised, Luke. A lot has happened since we last discussed this topic, and some of these things have even boosted my chances. That's why I think it's worth revisiting this puzzle! I'll help you through it just like I did last time. We can both work together to find the solution!



Of course! Let's do this together, Professor!

*Que into the Layton symbol that segways into the puzzle*

Puzzle 027:
The Layton Smash 5 Mystery Revisited


Professor Layton and Luke are revisiting the Rate Their Chances thread. This is a place where people discuss a video game character's chances of participating in the next Smash Bros tournament. With the recent announcement of a new tournament coming to the Nintendo Switch later this year, you bet everyone is eagerly speculating yet again. Today just so happens to be the day people are talking about Layton's chances at appearing in the tournament.

Some aspects about Layton's chances remain the same, but others have changed. In fact, some of those new elements have improved his chances!

Using the knowledge about Layton's chances in the Smash 4 days and how his chances are currently looking like for Smash Switch as of April 2018, what is an accurate chance score for the Professor at the moment?



I think we should begin by reiterating what remains true about the positives.



Indeed, my boy. It never hurts to take care of the easy elements first before tackling the harder parts. You can begin.



One of the strongest advantages you have is that your games have a very close relationship with Nintendo. They are all Nintendo exclusives, and they were especially successful! As of April 2015, the series has sold over 15 million copies! The first four games sold especially well, while the 5th title, Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, was the best-selling 3DS when the Nintendo 3DS was first released in Japan. In fact, your series has become one of Nintendo's flagship series in its portable gaming industry!

It's also worth mentioning that while your games were popular worldwide, they were especially popular in Europe thanks to the European cultural elements found in each of those games. Your games have even gained a large following amongst female gamers (and the fact Katrielle Layton is the new star of the new Layton games is proof of that), so I conclude that if you were invited for Smash, you will surely attract a wide array of gamers to the tournament.



Well said. Now that we are on the subject of the Smash tournament's organizer, Nintendo, I think we should build off of that and talk about how that company is closely affiliated with the one that created us: Level 5.



Level 5 and Nintendo... a-ha! The two companies share a very close relationship together! Almost all of Level 5's games have been Nintendo Exclusive, and even the Inazuma Eleven anime created by Level 5 was also featured in the Nintendo Anime Channel for a period of time.

We also cannot forget that Nintendo is the company in charge of publishing, translating, and advertising the Level 5 games when they come out to the West. This relationship is so close that many people have mistaken you for being a Nintendo character, Professor!



Hahaha, very true! Level 5 and Nintendo have a strong friendship indeed. Akihiro Hino, Level 5's CEO, even expressed interest in seeing me participate in Smash at one point.



There was also something else that crossed my mind about your series' success. The series has achieved seven games, a well-received movie, and even a crossover with that famous lawyer, Phoenix Wright!



Right you are. There are also a few new things associated with my franchise too that have developed in this past year.



New things? What exactly do you mean, Professor?



As you are aware, the seventh game in the franchise and the subsequent games that will come after it star my daughter, Katrielle Layton, as the main protagonist. As such, one of the new things she will star in is a new anime that has been airing for several months now.



An anime? Good golly, I didn't think your series would spawn an anime!



Remember that my series did have an animated, feature-length movie that was praised by critics and fans. Considering this fact and how far the series has come, I don't think it's that surprising to see an anime.



Well, in that case, we can definitely add that anime to your list of credentials. Maybe we should also add that you now have two Twitter accounts as well?




Admittedly, it has almost been a year since I last updated in my personal Twitter account, but I would certainly take note about the official Layton series Twitter account as that is proof my franchise has an identifiable mark in the mainstream Internet.



That makes sense.... Huh...



Is something on your mind, my boy?



Yes. It has do with your daughter, Katrielle.



My daughter? I sense an interesting argument about to be brought forth. Go on.



Seeing how your daughter is the new main star of the new Layton series and the upcoming anime, I feel like some will argue that she is the one who has the better shot to participate in the upcoming Smash tournament instead of you.



Ah yes, the question of relevancy and how it can affect old vs new stars. I know just the answer to that concern.

My daughter may have inherited the reigns of being a main protagonist, but I would not say this automatically gives her a higher chance. Due to her recency, not many people are likely to recognize her from the get-go compared to the one that has been the main protagonist for much longer.



Ah, so you're saying that because you have been around for much longer than she has, you are the more recognized individual, and therefore, you are more likely to participate in the upcoming tournament.



Precisely!



And on that note, when she first established her detective agency, many of her customers were surprised that she would be the one solving the tasks and not you. That just shows you are still the more recognized individual at the moment.

We also can't forget that you still do appear in her recent game and anime as well. After all, one of her main goals is to find your whereabouts. That just shows you are still playing a major role in her games, even if you are not the main protagonist.



Good points, Luke.



Do you think she'll ever have a chance at participating in a future Smash tournament, Professor?



Why of course! I think there will come a day when she will be eligible to receive an invitation for that sort of thing, but the first thing for that to happen would have to involve me being invited to the Smash tournament. Once I am invited and participate in it, that will allow her and other prominent individuals from my series to receive a chance to compete in this grand competition. At the moment, I think it'd be best to give her some time to learn and develop her puzzle-solving skills some more before she can participate in something that can be quite dangerous.



I see you that you still care about your daughter very much. You are quite a loving father, Professor.

Now that we talked about Katrielle enough, I think we should go back to the subject of your series' fame. I remember you made a good point about how you were very important to Level 5's success!



Ah yes! You could also say that the success of my series is what allowed Level 5 to reach the public eye and become one of the more recognized video game companies of this past decade. By keeping the same style that myseries introduced, they went on to produce two other successful series: Nii no Kuni and Yokai Watch.

I've even made a few cameos in some Level 5's other works. First, there was Inazuma Eleven where us and the famed soccer team shared a fun football match. That one Yokai Watch character, Professor Lenkon, is also inpired from me (a pretty amusing one too if I do say so myself). Finally, I also appeared on a billboard in LBX: Little Battlers Experience.



And judging from all these crossovers, that means Level 5 acknowledges you as its major gaming icon!



Exactly! Now, keeping that concept of gaming icon in mind, what is my series known for?



The puzzles! They work a lot like a series of brain teasers, and they cover various modes of critical thinking. For that reason, you are the puzzle-gaming rep of all video games!



Careful now, Luke. Remember to add the word "arguably" to that specific claim. There are other video game characters you could make good arguments regarding who is the current greatest puzzle-game rep in the gaming world.



Oh, right. I remember that you also made a brief aside regarding how one of the current Smash tournament participants, Dr. Mario, doesn't necessarily qualify for that kind of title.



Indeed. Dr. Mario isn't a true puzzle game rep since his games are essentially spin-offs of a much bigger franchise. My series, on the other hand, would have more interesting representation in the Smash tournament since it's a unique series that is especially known for puzzles and mysteries.



That is a very good point.

Another thought has also just crossed my mind. When your series first began, Nintendo was looking to appeal to the casual audience. One casual activity Nintendo discovered that those people enjoy is reading books, so the company figured one way they could appeal to them was to release games with a visual novel format, and your series had that kind of style.

Combine the visual format style with the brain teasers, and you have a game that appeals so well to casual gamers. That's why your series has been very successful!



Well said, my boy! I see that you remembered that argument quite well!



But that also reminds me of something. Even to this day, there are STILL people who laugh and underestimate you. They say you would never be invited to a Smash tournament because, "You're just a gentleman who solves puzzles. You can't fight at all!" Those people really get on my nerves!



Stay calm, Luke! Now is not the time to get angry in a place like this. If you speak with anger towards them, they may not think of you well. A true gentleman is one who stays calm and speaks well in order to leave the best impression on others. I shall give my response to those people once more.

To answer their concern, I would remind them about the fact that Smash has had individuals like a yoga trainer, a simple dog with his duck pal, and an ordinary village boy participate in the tournament. Apparently, I'm one of those characters that the tournament's organizer, Masahiro Sakurai, would invite for the shock value.

Many of my attacks would most likely revolve around the numerous numbers of puzzles I solved throughout my adventures. The way I would use those elements would be similar to another character named "Mr. Game & Watch" and how he pulls out different elements from his series at random to pay homage to the Game and Watch series.

I would also tell them that I have created various inventions in the past using my intellect that have pulled me through dire situations. Among these inventions include A machine gun made from a coin-slot machine, a flying mechanism made from a globe frame, a stone-launching catapult made from a gate, a boat, and a ladder, a gliding contraption made from a Pterodactyl fossil, and other things. I can incorporate these inventions into my moveset to further demonstrate my intellect.

I can also utilize various archaeological tools and artifacts against my foes. It's important that these fighters know what field that I teach as a professor by having such objects ready. My fencing skills will also be especially handy for an environment like this.



Hearing you speak so eloquently on this matter has calmed me down. Thanks Professor!



Anytime, Luke!



But don't forget to not rely on your sword too much or else people will think you're just another ordinary sword-fighter, and there seems to be some kind of stigma against those kinds of fighters at the moment.



You are correct. I would be sure to only use a sword for a few attacks so that I can focus on the puzzles I solved and the inventions I created. By striking this balance, this will give spectators the impression that I am a fighter representing the puzzle and mystery-game genre and not an ordinary swordsman.



I think we talked about the positives long enough. Should we get to the negatives that can prevent you from being invited to the Smash tournament? I actually remember a lot of those points that we previously discussed regarding them.



Yes, now is a good time to touch on that subject. Carry on!



The biggest issue that comes to mind is that you are a third-party character. Such individuals are harder to invite to Smash than the first-party ones. In fact, they say you need a really big legacy to be invited, and compared to some of the more commonly discussed third-parties like Rayman or Snake, some people think you are not iconic.

But what they do not realize is that you fit Sakura's third-party criteria when it comes to how he chooses which third-party characters to fight in Smash. We talked quite extensively about how you are a gaming icon to Level 5 and how that would fit Sakurai's criteria. Also, since Akihiro Hino expressed interest in seeing you participate in Smash and Level 5 has a close relationship with Nintendo, Sakurai would have an easier time inviting you to Smash compared to other third-party candidates.

We even had one third-party character that managed to participate in Smash despite not being a massive gaming icon: Bayonetta. She is proof that you don't need to be super iconic to be invited to Smash. Sakurai even called her a "realizable" choice!



I see you remember that argument quite well. Well done.

The only part I would add to it is that Bayonetta was added because she won the Smash Ballot, so one can argue that alone was what brought her to the Smash tournament. Still, you do make a very good point regarding what Bayonetta's invitation means for future third-party candidates to be considered for Smash.



You even had a good number of fans who have been wanting you to participate in Smash for quite some time. I think you also have that supporter-part covered too.

There was also the issue of relevancy back then when your series was on hiatus, but that is no longer an issue since your series has returned full swing with the Layton's Mystery Journey series and the upcoming anime featuring it. We also already countered the claim Katrielle Layton would have the better chance because she is the new star by explaining how you have been around longer and are thus more recognizable.

In other words, your chances are looking really good right now Professor!



Indeed, but there is one major issue that you are forgetting: competition!



Competition? With who?



Jibanyan, the ghost cat with fire powers and the mascot of Yokai Watch.



Oh yeah, Jibanyan. His series is still around, and it seems like there are still a good number of people who want to see him fight in the upcoming Smash tournament, especially in Japan.



Yes, Yokai Watch has become a commercial success in Japan. It also saw some success overseas as well. This makes Jibanyan my main competitor for the upcoming Smash Tournament if Sakurai were to choose a single individual to represent Level 5.



And while Bayonetta's inclusion is proof that someone like Jibanyan can be invited, Sakurai should still remember that it was because of you and your series that Level 5 and Yokai Watch managed to become as recognized as they are today.​



Indeed.

Now, considering everything we have discussed, what do you think are my new chances of appearing in this upcoming Smash tournament as of now?



I'd say you currently have a 35% chance of being invited to the upcoming Smash tournament!



Let's find out.

*You can stop playing that puzzle music right now*

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The info below is the TL;DR version of what Professor Layton and Luke discussed

Here's some new Layton music to enjoy for the remainder of this post

Chance: 35%

Though not as iconic as the likes of Megaman, Pac-Man, Sonic, or the other big name third parties in Smash Ultimate, Professor Layton does have a very good degree of fame in video games that gives him a good resume in gaming history. He is a recognizable face when it comes to puzzle games and the visual novel genre, the casual elements his games provide was a reason why his series was especially successful in the DS-era (a time when Nintendo wanted to appeal more to the casual audience), has launched two Twitter accounts, had a crossover with the Ace Attorney series, had a successful movie and now an anime, and his series has sold about 15 million units as of April 2015, and he has made cameos in other Level 5 games.

Most importantly, it is because of the Layton series success that Level 5 managed to become the successful video game company it is today. Professor Layton is to Level 5 what Megaman and Pac-man are to their respective video game companies. Heck, the cameos he has made in other Level 5 games is proof of how important he is to Level 5.

His moveset would most likely involve the puzzles he has solved in the series or other puzzle-related elements like the magnifying glass or the hint coins, as well as the inventions he has made using his strong intellect. He could also use archaeological tools and artifacts to reference the fact he is an archaeologist. Some, but not all moves, could also highlight his fencing capabilities. Basically, Layton would captilize himself as a puzzle-game rep with his moveset. Layton is the kind of character Sakurai would implement for the surprise factor: a kind of character who doesn't look a fighter but can still have a workable moveset; look at characters like Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Piranha Plant for proof.

Let's also not forget that Professor Layton does have some decent Smash popularity to him, especially in Europe. Even Level 5's CEO, Akihiro Hino, expressed interest in seeing Professor Layton in Smash.

Now to talk about why I increased my chance score for Layton by 10% compared to the last time I rated him:

It has recently been confirmed that the DLC roster was decided in November 2018, sometime following the November Direct. The initial Smash Ultiamte roster was decided back in 2015, during the one year the Layton series was on a hiatus. This may explain why Layton was not considered for the intiial base roster. However, his is no longer the case. In 2018, The Layton series is back in full swing! The Layton anime is still airing as of the time this post was written, Curious Village just recently got a remake released on Smartphone devices, and now Diabolical Box is set to have a Smartphone remake of its own as well in the next few months. Although his daughter is the star, Professor Layton has even become a major character in the Layton anime with several prominent appearances and even tying into an important mystery the anime is exploring now.

Professor Layton himself also fits the bill as a rep of a "yet-to-be-represented IP" that Nintendo has recently talked about regarding what the new DLC fighters will be. Better yet, he's also the kind of character that would fit very well for the "surprise" factor that Nintendo seems to be going for with these Smash DLC fighters (just look at Joker, who is also proof that anyone who has had recent relevance is fair game since he is a character that debuted last year with Persona 5).

Honestly, the only real issue I can think of aside from Professor Layton being third party (those same comments Nintendo made about these fighters imply they'll probably be third party characters this time around, and Layton is a third party character himself, so that's arguably a benefit for him too) is his competition. Jibanyan is the closest competitor that Professor Layton has when it comes to who could represent Level 5. Jibanyan is a more requested in Japan than Layton is, and Jibanyan also fits the bill for the "yet-to-represented IP" on the roster that can surprise the audience with its inclusion. However, I believe Layton still has the edge over Jibanyan because Layton has done much more for Level 5 than the fiery ghost cat, not to mention Yokai Watch only really has prominence in Japan whereas the Yokai Watch craze only really lasted a few months in America, Europe, and other parts of the world.

Another point that I think is also worth mentioning is that Akihiro Hino recently mentioned in an interview that he has the biggest soft spot for the Layton series compared to other Level 5 titles because the Layton series were the first titles Level 5 published and ultimately paved the way for the company's success. Take that what you will, but I think that's additional proof that Level 5 is well aware of how important Professor Layton is to their history as a video game company.

Want: 100%

Professor Layton is my favorite video game character of all time, and my most wanted character to be playable in Smash Bros since the Smash 4 days.

The Professor Layton series is among my favorite video game franchises. It is filled with fun brain teasers and has has some of the best stories I've ever experienced from all the video games I played. The colorful and entertaining cast of characters are another reason why I adore the Layton series, and the Professor himself is no exception. I adore Professor Layton because of his many wonderful characteristics: he is smart, badass, and most of all, a true gentleman. The Professor has left many quotes that I consider to be endearing and inspirational, and he has even become one of my personal role-models. He also has a very deep and sad backstory regarding how he became the man he is now and the hardships he experienced, but we'd be going into major spoiler territory if I were to talk about that.

Anyways, I think Layton would make a ridiculously fun fighter in Smash considering how much moveset potential he has. From the inventions he made, to his fencing skills, to his archaeological tools and artifacts, to all elements from the wide array of puzzles from the series, he’d be the kind of character that would surely remind foes “of a puzzle.” You look at the professor and think, “What’s this simple gentleman going to do to me?” Suddenly, he plays with you mind as he pulls out different inventions and puzzle elements out of nowhere as you react with pure surprise.

In fact, if you are still not convinced about Layton being a Smash fighter, here's a moveset I created for him that encompasses everything I discussed regarding what he would do and how I imagine he'd play out as a Smash fighter:

Basic Animations:

Walk: Layton would walk normally like he does in the games.

Run: A basic running animation. Visually, it resembles the scenes when he chased the Black Raven in Last Specter and the moment the Giant Float is about to collapse on him in Miracle Mask. He has the same running speed as Snake.

Jump: He lunges upward in the first jump. With his second jump, he curls his body, but it doesn't give him too much vertical distance. It is very similar to Snake's jumps, but Layton's up special makes up for it.

Fall: Layton holds onto his hat with one hand while his other arm is held out, slightly bent. He has relatively fast falling speed as he is a bit of a heavy weight.

Crouch: Layton bends with one knee while one arm rests on it.

Crawl: A basic crawling animation where Layton crawls with his knees and hands.

Shield: Layton grabs his hat with one hand, while his other arm is bent and hovers over his chest.

Roll: Instead of rolling, Layton slides to the outside of the stage. When returning back, he has one hand on the ground as he bends his body forward.

Side-step: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and moves toward the back of the stage with a surprised expression while his other arm extends far to the side.

Dizzy: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and stumbles from left to right.

Sleep: Layton sits down with his legs crossed while resting his head on one of his arms.

Swimming: Layton moves his arms similar to a breast-stroke pull.

Drowning: He lowers his hat over his eyes with one of his hands, while the other arm and his legs float helplessly in the water.

Idle Animations:

-Animation 1: Layton adjusts his hat.
-Animation 2: Layton holds his hand to his chin, taking a thinking position.
-Animation 3: Layton pouts his arms and slightly nods his head.

Launching scream: Layton screams, "Uuwaaahhh." It sounds similar to the scene when he tumbles with Luke through the forest in Azran Legacy.

KO scream: Layton screams, "Huaghh." It sounds exactly like his scream when Emmy crossed his path at the beginning of Last Specter.

Star KO scream: Sounds exactly like his scream from Azran Legacy when the beam of light was killing him.

Basic attacks:

Jab: Layton delivers a small slap with his right hand while raising his pinky (supposed to be a gentleman's slap).

Double Jab: The second jab is another gentleman's slap, but he uses his left hand instead.

Triple Jab: Layton pulls out a fencing sword and uses it like he's in a fencing match. It can lead into a repetitive jab, and the final blow is the finishing fencing move that touches the opponent.

Dash Attack: Layton pulls out a metallic pipe and slashes from left tor right. The attack manner is similar to Marth's dash attack.

Tilt Attacks:

Forward Tilt: Layton holds out his magnifying glass, and the tool gives the same orange tint just like it does in the games when you find something of interest (even producing the same sound effect). The moment when the magnifying glass turns orange is when damage is delivered.

Up Tilt: Layton takes an "a-ha" stance as the iconic red exclamation mark from the games appears above his head. This exclamation mark is what deals the damage, and it is his strongest tilt attack.

Down Tilt: Layton uses an archaeological hand pick and does a hammering animation using it.

Aerial Attacks:

Neutral Aerial: Layton grabs a camera by its strap and swings it around himself.

Forward Aerial: Layton uses the same metallic pipe and moves the pipe downward. Visually, the attack resembles Layton's first strike on Descole when Layton released himself from the Fossil Glider in Azran Legacy.

Back Aerial: Keats the Puzzle Cat emerges from Layton's coat, and the cat slashes foes from behind Layton's back before returning to his coat. During this animation, Layton watches Keats with a surprised expression and quickly helps Keats return back into his coat.

Up Aerial: Layton pulls out the toy robot from Miracle Mask and holds it above his head. The toy robot then does a small, upward jump from Layton's hand while moving its arms up. This attack has a dual-damaging effect where it can potentially deal two blows to the opponent. There is a sweet-spot at the robot's arms.

Down Aerial: Layton takes a shovel and stabs it toward the ground. The attack heavily resembles Link's down aerial, even having the same meteor spike if the opponent is hit by the sweet-spot.

Grabs:

Pummel: Layton knees his opponent.

Each of Layton's throws reference various puzzles throughout the series. In each throw, he releases his opponent and changes into a thinking position. Upon releasing his opponent, the throw takes place. After the throw finishes, he looks up with a grin on his face, just like when a puzzle is correctly solved. Think of it as if Layton uses his intellectual thoughts to attack the foe. It's like Layton is playing "mind-games" with his opponents!

Forward Throw: A small toy train (as seen from a bird's eye view) appears above Layton, moves toward the opponent, and latches onto him/her. The train quickly moves slightly forward then diagonally upward before disappearing and releasing the opponent. It mimics those "drag the line" puzzles where you need to get a chain to another side, usually involving trains of some sort.

Back Throw: Three pitchers appear in front of Layton. The opponent is then thrown between the pitchers as if he/she is being poured like milk. It mimics the milk puzzle from Curious Village.

Up Throw: Three rectangular blocks push the opponent upwards, with the final block releasing the opponent high. It's a weak attack with high knockback, mimicking those "drag the blocks to get a certain piece to the other side" puzzles that are very common throughout the series.

Down Throw: A tetris-shaped block pushes the opponent downward. A second one pushes the opponent in a direction behind Layton. The last piece pushes the opponent upward. This ultimately creates a rigid U-shaped throw. It mimics those "fix the pictures" puzzles that is akin to assembling a jigsaw puzzle, but the pieces are more tetris-shaped.

Smash Attacks:

Each of these attacks involve the Azran Keystone from Azran Legacy.

Forward Smash: Layton pulls out the Azran Keystone casually holding it to the side for the charging animation. Once he finishes charging, he extends his arm holding the Keystone in front of himself. The Keystone then delivers a shockwave-like blast that deals tremendous damage to foes. The blast looks exactly the same as the one that was produced from the device in the games.

Up Smash: It plays out almost identically to the forward smash. The only difference is that Layton holds the Keystone above his head for the finishing blow, and the blast deals vertical knockback.

Down Smash: Unlike the forward and up smashes, Layton puts the Azran Keystone on the ground and holds it there for the charging animation. Once fully charged, the Keystone emits the the same blast, only this time, it covers a 360 degree radius surrounding Layton.

Specials:

Standard Special - Coin-Slot Machine Gun: Layton pulls out the same gun of the same name he created in Unwound Future. He charges it then and fires a barrage of coins. The length of time it takes to fire the coins depends on your charge time. Layton can move left and right while firing his gun, but he cannot turn around while doing so. The barrage of coins has the same effect as firing multiple, small shots from the Super Scope, but unlike the Super Scope, you can combo into a grab by moving toward the foe as you fire coins to keep him/her stunned. The gun can fire for up to five seconds at most. You can't use it right away after the gun finishes firing because the next Layton uses the attack, he will dump a bag of coins to prepare for the next attack. It takes about one second for Layton to dump coins. Once he finishes doing so, you can charge and fire again.

Side Special - Hamster Attack: Layton throws an apple, and if it hits someone, it does a small amount of damage. If he uses the side special again, he will throw the hamster this time, and it will quickly run towards the apple. As the hamster runs, it can climb up walls similar to the Bombchu, and it can damage anyone in its path with small damage. Once it reaches the apple, the hamster eats it. If an opponent is right next to an apple, he/she will be trapped by the hamster as it eats the apple and wrack up damage with each bite. Basically, the hamster is biting the opponent's feet in the process. With the final bite, the opponent is launched with decent knock back.

Up Special - Globe Glider: Layton uses the Globe Glider he built from Curious Village. When utilizing it, he faces towards his front. The glider can travel very high and is easy to maneuver, similar to Snake and ROB's up specials. This attack makes up for Layton's low second jump, repeating a similar deal to Snake's recovery. The glider can also disrupt an opponent's up-special when it makes contact, but in doing so, the glider will lose control for a few seconds before Layton is forced to dislodge himself. This references the scene when the glider slightly touches Don Paolo's helicopter in Curious Village, disrupting it to the point Don Paolo is forced to flee. When his up special finishes, Layton is not rendered helpless.

Down Special - Stone Catapult: Layton pulls out the catapult he uses to take down Descole in Last Specter, but it has been scaled down to closely match his size. With two stones in the slinger, he charges the catapult for the first half of the attack when holding the C-stick down, and after releasing it, he will throw the two stones into the air with the help of the catapult. You can charge the catapult so that two stones can be launched farther. The farther the stones are launched, the more knock back and damage they deal. The stones deal more damage if they hit a foe that is in the air.

Final Smash:

Deduction: A cinematic Final Smash that references the most iconic cutscene in every Layton game where the Professor identifies who the real culprit behind the crime was.

The Final Smash begins with Layton taking a thinking stance and saying, "Hmmm." A glint appears in front of Layton and covers a small yet decent range in front of him. If anyone is caught within the glint's range, the screen turns white.

The scene then changes to show several people, including the culprit, sitting around a table in an old-fashioned living room, with Layton standing behind them. The people are all shadowed save for the the opponent that was caught by the glint. While taking his classic thinking stance, Layton walks around the room and says, "Someone here was the mastermind behind this awful scheme." He then looks forward the opponent and does his signature point at him/her, telling the foe, "And that person was you!" At that moment, the opponent takes on a funny stunned animation, indicating their shock at being caught. The scene then returns to the battle, only this time, the caught foe is delivered a large amount of damage and knockback. That attack can KO as early as 50%.

If Layton caught two or more foes, the scene plays out like it normally does. The only difference is that Layton uses plural nouns at the respective moments. While walking around and thinking, he says "some people" instead of "someone," and when deducing the culprit, he says "those people" instead of "that person."

I can also imagine a nice Easter Egg where all the shadowed people are individuals that appeared in past Layton games.

Taunts:

Up Taunt: Layton adjusts his hat, then pouts his arms. As he pouts his arms, he says, "Every puzzle has an answer."

Side Taunt: Layton tips his hat forward and says, "A remarkable move!"

Down Taunt: Layton pulls out a cup of tea and drinks it.

Victory Animations:

The victory melody would be a more melodic version of the "Puzzle Solved" soundbite, heard in the video brought up with the first animation.

Animation 1: Layton puts his hand on his chin, closes his eyes and looks down, then looks back up at the camera. He follows with his signature point and says, "I've found the solution!" This entire animation plays out exactly like the "Puzzle Solved "bit after solving a puzzle. Here's a video for reference:


Remove the black stills that interrupt at the different intervals to make the whole animation more fluid, and that's how it would likely play out in Smash.

Animation 2: Layton adjusts his hat and says "A true gentleman leaves no puzzle unsolved." He finishes with a pout while smiling at the camera.

Animation 3: Layton brushes both arms of his coat as if he is removing dust. As he does so, he states, "That was quite the riveting match!" He then adjusts his coat by putting both hands on the zipper sides to tuck his coat up.

Losing Animation: A basic losing animation that involves Layton clapping towards his left side while holding a smile on his face.

Phew, that was a lot I wrote down. I think you can imagine how much this character means to me after reading through this post. The day Professor Layton is revealed for Smash will definitely go down as one of the happiest days in my life if it actually happens. At this point, Professor Layton has become the only character out of everyone on my wishlist that I think has the best chance to be added, and the recent reveal of Joker in Smash gave me some newfound hope for the possibility of the Professor becoming a fully-fledged Smash fighter.

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Nominations

Lora (Xenoblade Chronicles 2): x5
 
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Chance: 50%
Want: 0%
I think including him would be a terrible idea because he’s not a fighter and I have no idea how a move set could even possibly be implemented for him.
 

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I don't know enough about Professor Layton to make a snarky tagline.

Chance: 60%. Puzzle games have been massively hurting for another rep, and I'm pretty sure we're getting one. It won't be Lip for sure, and after Joker Arle's looking kinda sketch, so I'd put my money on Layton at this time.

Want: I have never touched any of the Professor Layton games. Hence, I shall abstain.

Arle Nadja x 5. Phoenix Wright will have 11.28% chance, things are looking good for him but Ken happened so maybe not.
 

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Professor Layton

Chance: 35%

-A notable candidate that represents puzzle games.
-Level 5 is a good candidate for another company added.
-however, there are companies who might be priority(Microsoft and Koei Tecmo). Since I only see 1 or 2 companies added.

Want:ABSTAINED

-To be honest, I don't know what he would for a moveset.

Phoenix Wright Prediction: 16.44%

Nominate All DLC are 3rd party x5
 

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Prof. Layton
Chance: 25%

I think Erureido convinced me that he has more of a shot than I gave him credit for. I will say I disagree with one thing.
Professor Layton himself also fits the bill as a rep of a "yet-to-be-represented IP" that Nintendo has recently talked about regarding what the new DLC fighters will be.
That is a misquote that won't die, he actually just said that they will be new to the series, not from new series. It was just marketing hype talk and not saying that the rest of the DLC will be 3rd party.

Want: 45%
He is probably one of the higher "wants" for someone not actually on my wishlist. I would have no issue at all if he got in other than regret it wasn't someone I wanted more.

Prediction: Phoenix Wright 40%
I think his name has come up in enough leaks that his numbers will get an extra boost.
Nomination: Ravio x5
Does anyone know how many days it takes to solo nominate someone? lol
 

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Pheonix Wright

Chance: 5%. Reggie stated that the 3rd parties in the DLC would be characters not traditionally associated with Nintendo. Layton is certainly a character I associate with Nintendo, so his chances are quite low.

Want: Abstain. I've never played his games. I will say he beats the alternative Level 5 Rep (Jibanyan).

Noms: Grovyle x5
 

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Pheonix Wright

Chance: 5%. Reggie stated that the 3rd parties in the DLC would be characters not traditionally associated with Nintendo. Layton is certainly a character I associate with Nintendo, so his chances are quite low.

Want: Abstain. I've never played his games. I will say he beats the alternative Level 5 Rep (Jibanyan).

Noms: Grovyle x5
jumped the gun bro, he's tomorrow.

EDIT: never mind I'm bad at reading
 
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I don't see him ever making the cut, Level 5 is a good company to be in Smash given their history with Nintendo, but I'm not sure if Level 5 would be comfortable letting Layton be in a full on brawl like smash, since his whole character revolves around the fact that he's a gentleman who doesn't go around picking fights.

Want: 75%

Professor Layton Is one of my favorite franchises and videogame protagonists off so time, I would love it if he were in Smash, but I just don't expect it to ever happen, it's just a pipedream
 

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Generally, I feel more confident about Layton this time around. The positives I gave in my last analysis here still applies.

Layton is the kind of surprise DLC choice I can see Sakurai going for. Joker changes the game for speculation.

The biggest factor that will lend him hope to being in Smash is if DLC newcomers were decided this year.

Level-5 said they would be taking company relationships seriously in 2018.

And if those two things align, there is a very good chance that Akihiro Hino could negotiate with Sakurai for their character in Smash Ultimate.

I really hope Layton happens.
 
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Professor Layton

Chance: 40%
This game could really use a true puzzle gaming rep and Professor Layton fits the bill to represent the genre. He's one of the many third-party characters that might potentially be included as a DLC Fighter and with Joker's inclusion, his chances have gone higher than before. However, there is one obstacle that he has to face: Jibanyan. It's possible that they'll pick Jibanyan over Layton due to recency (if we're taking Joker's inclusion to account. Otherwise, we would have gotten Yu Narukami or a SMT character than Joker) and that it's still popular to this very day. Other than that, I'm pretty confident that he might get in.

Want: 95%
I like Professor Layton a lot. He is defintely going to be unexpected character for a lot of people and he certainly has a unique moveset if you have played any of his games. Smash could really use a puzzle gaming rep (Dr. Mario doesn't count) and I believe Professor Layton will truly represent the genre.

Phoenix Wright Prediction: 28.41%

Nominations:
Nero Claudius x5
 

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Prof. Layton

Chance: 10%
He's a third party but not a super huge name. Not that he isn't well-known; I just think that he's not an announcement that's gonna get people riled up like Joker. Also, competition for 4 DLC spots is super stiff, so it's hard to go too high on anyone.

Want: 0%
He's got some association with Nintendo so he passes that test, but he's not an icon on the level of most of the other third parties in Smash. Basically, Layton isn't notable enough among third parties to warrant his inclusion over the remaining first party franchises, and among third parties the competition's even stiffer. He just doesn't measure up to someone like Banjo or Rayman for me. He's fairly well known and decently popular, so he has that, but not enough of it to overcome his other flaws.

Noms: Andy x5
 

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The Big PL

Chance: 50%
Yep, it’s a coin drop, and I couldn’t be happier. You have an iconic character, nearly Nintendo exclusive, with games that have been critically acclaimed, influential, and sold tons. Spawned a multimedia franchise including movie, anime, mobile spin-offs, a crossover and I’m probably forgetting a lot. The fact that Layton and Level-5 as a whole have always aligned themselves with Nintendo. Layton also has a pretty large support, and it’s worldwide (though it’s particularly strong in Europe, where I wouldn’t be surprised to see him rival Isaac).

The only thing possibly going against him is Jibanyan, but I just don’t see that panning out. Despite Level-5 and Nintendo’s best efforts, Yokai Watch hasn’t become the worldwide phenomenon that Pokémon was, so while very big in Japan, it’s not as much in the rest of the globe.

Want: 100%
The moveset. The stages. The music. God, everything that Layton would bring with him would be so cool and different. Plus, if we get tomorrow’s candidate, it’s really a matchup for the ages.

Phoenix Wright prediction: 40%
Nominations: Mach RiderX5
 

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Professor Gayton
Chance: 25%
Want: 50%

For some reason, I don't have much to say about this guy. He's owned by Level 5, a company with a good relationship with Nintendo. He's been exclusively on Nintendo consoles (correct me if I'm wrong), and I remember my second day on RTC, we rated Katrielle Layton. However, with Level 5 comes competition in the form of Jibanyan. He's a huge hit in Japan and Yo Kai Watch even overthrew Pokémon temporarily. He's basically the game's Pikachu with multiple variants and overpromotion. I'd like to see him more, because I found Jibanyan's games quite enjoyable while waiting for Sun and Moon to release. Layton doesn't have huge moveset potential, but I can see him working well with some creativity. I am pretty indifferent towards him, since I've never played a Layton game. If he got in, cool I guess. I'd be happy for his fans, but I'll only play him if he's good.

Phoenix Wright: 22.53%

Reaper x5

TCT~Phantom TCT~Phantom do you know when calcs will be coming?
 

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Prof. Layton

Chance - 30% - Level 5 is a major supporter of Nintendo, and Prof. Layton is their flagship franchise. Jibanyan is big competition, but I think he gets the edge due to age and more global appeal. Still, Joker's only point thus far is a world-shattering shock character, which doesn't line up with what we know.

Want - 75% - Not my favorite third party, but I can let him in. He's got the credentials I'm looking for in a third party.


Predictions

Phoenix Wright - 13.24% - I have no idea...


Nominations

Dark Matter X5
 

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Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that Professor Layton, face of the puzzle genre on the DS and popular enough to be mistaken for a first party in Europe, is less of an icon than third-tier platform guy Rayman? Like they are equal at the VERY least. And you're seriously going to tell me that Professor Layton, an acclaimed fencer with seven games worth of material to draw from wouldn't have a moveset in a series where a yoga instructor can fight? Come on. I swear to God none of you bother researching or even attempt objectivity if it isn't your pet picks and that's what makes this thread a trainwreck to read sometimes. Everyone's too busy trying to be funny to actually make posts that are interesting to read (like Erureido up there) and when someone actually does they get passed over with "abstain". Real nice.

Level 5 is becoming a second party developer. Jibanyan's the only real threat to Layton's chances. He's a shock pick who was huge in the DS era again to the point that he was on the Nintendo Europe website as an official Nintendo Icon with Mario and the rest. Layton would be sick.

Chance: 75%
Want: 90%

He's not even in my list of real "lose-my-mind" wants but I'd be an idiot if I didn't think he had a major chance when he has everything in his favor right now on the commercial side and is a major icon internationally which we all know is big for Sakurai. Come on. Also, I want Phoenix vs. Layton but in Smash this time. That'd be fun.

Nomination: Style Savvy Rep x5
 
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Over 200

Arle Nadja x285

200 - 151

Rhythm Girl x200
Concept: All DLC will be third-party x195
Nero Claudius (Fate) x180
Grovyle x155

150 - 101

Concept: More DLC x150
Mach Rider x145
Concept: Gen 8 Pokemon x141
Concept: Stages outside Fighter Pass x140
Reaper (Overwatch) x140
Reimu Hakurei x125
Kat & Ana x120
Hollow Knight x112
Concept: No fan favorite/highly requested characters x110
Professor Hector x109

100 - 51

Concept: Third-party character from unrepped Company x95
Impa x91
Boss: Kracko x85
Andy (Advance Wars) x80
Lora (Xenoblade) x75
Porky Minch x66
Sephiroth x60
Concept: SNK rep x60
Concept: Boss Rush x55
Ravio x55


50 - 25

9-Volt x49
Creeper x37
Papyrus x35
Dark Matter x35
Concept: Assist Trophy becomes Fighter x30
Spyro x27
Ninten x26
Thrall (Warcraft) x25
Frisk x25

Under 25

Boss: Perfect Chaos x20
Hector (Fire Emblem) x15
Pyra & Mythra (sans Rex) x15
Cooking Mama x15
Concept: Dragalia Lost rep x10
Decidueye x10
Concept: Bethesda rep x10
Frog (Chrono Trigger) x10
Concept: Style Savvy rep x10
Kamek x10
Blacephalon x5
Zhao Yun (Dynasty Warriors) x5
Amaterasu x5
Monokuma x5
Concept: Another joke character x5
Neptune x5
Concept: Crazi Taxi rep x5
Oliver (Ni No Kuni) x5
Ryu Hayabusa x5
Concept: Free updates (Splatoon-style) x5
Courier (Fallout) x5
Earthworm Jim x5
Concept: Spirits aren’t disconfirmations x5
Scorpion x5
Lizalfos x4
Toon Zelda x3
Boss: Sans x2
Urbosa x1
[Rerate] Steve? x1

Grovyle cuts past 150 noms.

Boss Rush and Ravio rush past 50 noms.

And not much else, so I guess I’ll echo Flyboy Flyboy and laugh at the idea that Rayman is iconic.
 

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Layton

10% Chance

...I don’t buy it.

Honestly speculation in a post Joker world is something that is completely different. Iconic nature, while helpful, is not required. So long as you got momentum and are popular, you are fair game.

But here’s my beef here. Layton’s time has passed. The Layton series has not had a game starring Layton since 2014. Honestly looking back, I would have seen him as more likely for smash 4 dlc given the timeline.

Looking at Layton now, I have to ask myself do I see Layton as overwhelmingly likely? Honestly, not really. I feel that Layton is a sleeper pick, and I feel that he has a decent shot. But 75 is pushing it. I am confident in one or two characters right now, and Layton is not one of them. Don’t count him out, but don’t see him as likely.

80% want

Here’s my evolution of sorts. I have played through DB and UF. Better games than CV. UF was amazing. While I do not see Layton as brimming with moveset potential, he isn’t not void of it (keep fencing out of it its not representative of him). He’s someone’s I would be content with.

Just content. If we had confirmed more waves of dlc, I would see him as 100. But I don’t want him as much as other characters and competition is fierce rn. Wave 2 would bump him up.

Sephiroth x5
 

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I'd give Layton an exceedingly low chance. While his games certainly are popular, I don't feel like he would work well in Smash, as far as attacks go. I get that Smash brings together drastically different franchises, but thinking of Layton doing a Special or an Up Tilt doesn't bring much to mind, especially considering that he's in a suit. I get that he's in MvC, but Smash is a different game. Not ruling it out entirely, though.

Edit: Thinking of the wrong character!
 
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I'd give Layton an exceedingly low chance. While his games certainly are popular, I don't feel like he would work well in Smash, as far as attacks go. I get that Smash brings together drastically different franchises, but thinking of Layton doing a Special or an Up Tilt doesn't bring much to mind, especially considering that he's in a suit. I get that he's in MvC, but Smash is a different game. Not ruling it out entirely, though.
You don’t know who Layton is, do you?
 

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The Layton series has not had a game starring Layton since 2014.
Curious Village recently got a remake for smartphones about a month or two ago, and Diabolical Box will also follow suit with similar treatment in the next few months, so saying the Professor hasn't had a game starring himself recently is false.

That is, unless you see remakes as a different deal entirely.
 

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The Puzzle Professor

Let's see what I said before...
Chance: 20%
Want: 0%

Seems that he’s got a good relationship with Nintendo, but I don’t think of him as an incredible gaming icon, and I’m biased against third parties on principle unless they’re incredibly iconic (or unless I’m being hypocritical).

Despite the fact that people can develop movesets for literally anything, the fact remains that he’s from a puzzle game series and really doesn't do much outside of sit and wait for you to solve something before proceeding. Thus, most of his moveset would have to be original. I’m also not a fan of his overly saccharine design - it reminds me of those posters in elementary schools where everyone and everything has the same ridiculous smile.

Layton for me is in the same boat as Shantae, Shovel Knight, etc.: there are way too many other third parties who are much more important gaming icons, or even important first parties who have continually been neglected, and should have priority. I think we as a community here do overestimate how well certain characters did on the ballot, and Layton’s another one of those characters you don’t hear much noise about outside of his support thread.
Eh... I've softened considerably on third parties, but I still don't think he comes anywhere close to 'icon.' I'll reiterate that his moveset would need to be 100% original (whether he's stated to be a gentleman fencer or not, unless he's actually shown doing so in the puzzles, they'll have to generate something). I really only hear people talk about him on these boards, but popularity may or may not be a factor at this point. It's honestly tough to judge.

So the only point I'll say is that I don't really see Layton coming with as much of a "HOLY ****!" factor as someone like Joker had. And thus, I'd be willing to believe that Nintendo would eschew the professor. You still see people complaning that Isabelle is a poor addition since she's not 'fighter material,' and I can imagine that Layton's hit with the same mold.

And personally, I don't know the series, I'm not interested at all, and I can think of characters I'd like more. And with only four confirmed slots, there are very few characters I'm okay with since competition is through the roof.

I'll stick to these scores.

Nom: More DLC x5
 

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Perchance, were you thinking of Phoenix Wright? I think some people I follow on twitter would notice if Layton was playable in Marvel vs. Capcom.
I was. I'm terribly sorry about that!

Although I don't think Professor Layton would be a good fit for Smash either.

You don’t know who Layton is, do you?
I do - I've played the Curious Village. Just got mixed up for a second, sorry.
 
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I'll keep my rating short this time around.

Professor Layton:

40% Chance
He feels more likely than ever before. The Layton series has seen a resurgence with a new game, a new anime, and remakes of the original games. Level-5 has had a consistently good relationship with Nintendo for some time now. Seeing Joker as the first DLC character makes an underdog like Layton feel like an obvious surprise pick. Put together all of these points and I think Layton's case has been made.

100% Want
Man, I love the Layton series. It was really what got me into the detective visual novel kinda genre, introducing me to other great series like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa. Professor Layton as a character can hold his weight in battle, and he has plenty of moveset potential; it's just hard to see if you haven't played the games. I'm really hoping this is his time to shine, possibly even co-starring alongside Phoenix Wright. That would be a dream come true.
 

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Professor Layton:
Chance: 30%-I can get behind the idea of a Level-5, no lie about that. However, I think Jibanyan is more likely due Yokai-Watch's greater popularity (specially in Japan), not to mention, I don't think he's had a game since that franchise exploded among children.
Want: ABSTAIN-Never played his games, so I can't judge him that much.
Nominations: All-guests passx5
 
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