CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
Just for clarification purposes, what exactly do u mean by "such things"?
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R.O.B. Matchup Table
- Thread starter Jamnt0ast
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Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
this seems irrelevant
Sudai
Stuff here
Yeah, it probably is.
CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
Yeah it is I guess. I'm sorry. I will stop shaming myself in front of the entire ROB community now. My mistake.
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
ROB's F-air does greatly against poor Pit and his poor Range, and that will screw his recovery up. I am well aware of that. Remember that ROB will have problems against Pit's arrows when trying to recover with Up-B. Sure you can try to F-air the arrows, but a smart Pit should keep up the pressure from Arrows to F-airs of his own to wear out ROB's Up-B fuel.
Sadly, Pit's Recovery is more fragile.
Sadly, Pit's Recovery is more fragile.
DRaGZ
Smash Champion
It's not like we can't see Pit's f-air coming from a mile away though. We're not going to recovery straight at your face either. It's either from below or from very high.
Sudai
Stuff here
AB, even if we do a linear horizontal recovery (lol why would we?), you can't do anything. FAir cancels arrows. FAir ***** your face if you try to aerial. I'm not saying it's impossible to edgeguard ROB (human error, mindgames, blahblahblah), but ROB has the tools to make it back completely unscathed against Pit easily and every time, no matter what. Your FAir is basically the same speed as ours, but ours is so much longer and disjointed. I really wanna know what ROB's you're fighting that let you **** his recovery so well.
BoTastic!
Smash Master
I remember when i had trouble with Pits. Thanks to Sudai and others, now he's easy.
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
I played Sagemoon at my last tournament. The effect ROB had on the matchup was EXTREMELY clear. ROB has the advantage. Everyone is arguing even though we all have the same opinion. Let's move on to another matchup that might seem iffy. Let's discuss King Dedede
soloSHADOWROB
Smash Journeyman
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Agreed . . .
We have beaten eachother the same amount of time (3-3)
Id still say its 50/50
But atleast you can say its a slight advantage in ones favor not a huge advantage like others have been saying.
As for the Pit one, I use to have some trouble with Pit
But ROB has the advantage (I can see what most Pits are going to do and when they are going to do it)
60/40
as for D3
i use to get ***** by Teba (Best D3 in SoCal and 3rd best player)
But as of lately I been beating him and I was playing the match all wrong
I do believe its nuetral with D3 slight advantage
45/55
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
From what ive seens....
If you play against a D3 wrong, you get *****.
If you play against a D3 correctly, it's close, but it's doable.
If you play against a D3 wrong, you get *****.
If you play against a D3 correctly, it's close, but it's doable.
indianunit
Smash Journeyman
Dedede is fat and heavy.
I love doing dgrab to upair on him.
I definitely say ROB has the advantage on dedede.
It's his bair you have to watch out for.
I love doing dgrab to upair on him.
I definitely say ROB has the advantage on dedede.
It's his bair you have to watch out for.
Sudai
Stuff here
LMAO...NO!
Chaingrab is a *****. This is why you stay between him and the ledge or offstage
At best the match-up is even. ROB -definitely- does not have the advantage, though.
indianunit
Smash Journeyman
Oh ya I forgot about his chaingrab. OK maybe Rob doesn't have the advantage on him but Dedede definitely doesn't win this matchup thats for sure.
Sudai
Stuff here
Self contradiction in bold.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
DDD is in my personal top 5 hardest matchups as ROB.
BoTastic!
Smash Master
I agree with Caesar.
Sudai
Stuff here
Should be in every ROB's top 5.
Nintendevil
Smash Ace
Exact opposite of what co says... >_>
Sudai
Stuff here
Fox? Really?
MK, GnW, D3, Pika, Lucario in no particular order.
MK, GnW, D3, Pika, Lucario in no particular order.
Sudai
Stuff here
It might just be that I haven't played any good enough either.
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
I have the same list as TeeVee
ipitydatfu
Smash Master
i really dont like Fox's forward smash, that darn cartwheel is a mindgame.
sucessfully bair-ing a phantasm/illusion feels good as hell
sucessfully bair-ing a phantasm/illusion feels good as hell
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
okay its not the fsmash. it's the multihit and the 100% death usmash.
DRaGZ
Smash Champion
Not to mention that Fox's recovery actually doesn't suck that much ***.
ipitydatfu
Smash Master
i really hate it when they DAC upsmash.
Although DDD matchup is pretty tough, i like it alot.
Although DDD matchup is pretty tough, i like it alot.
DRaGZ
Smash Champion
Yeah, I really like the DeDeDe match-up now.
I mean, I even like it on FD, where I am potentially punished the most, because it makes DeDeDe such an easy camping target.
I mean, I even like it on FD, where I am potentially punished the most, because it makes DeDeDe such an easy camping target.
ipitydatfu
Smash Master
lol i just saw seibriks' matches against afrothundah, he grabbed released afro's wario (yeah i know, afro as wario?!?) over the edge into a upsmash. ouch,
can he do that to rob?
can he do that to rob?
Jamnt0ast
Smash Journeyman
D3 is the most fun character in the game to camp. He just looks SO helpless
soloSHADOWROB
Smash Journeyman
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I have some matches with Teba if you would like to see them
You can see where I was playing right and where i was playing wrong
and where there was nothin i could freaken do cuz of CG lol
You can see where I was playing right and where i was playing wrong
and where there was nothin i could freaken do cuz of CG lol
frdagaa
Smash Journeyman
CG. Sooo lame. My partner mains Pika and is pretty darned good, but he's picking up D3. Grawr. I don't know which character is less fun to fight, a thunderjolt spamming Pika or a chaingrabbing D3.
DRaGZ
Smash Champion
Chaingrabbing DeDeDe. A Pikachu that's just spamming thunderjolt is too easy.
Sudai
Stuff here
I think my favorite to camp is DK. You think D3 has no options, DK is even worse of. Lawl.
I still just don't see fox being too much of an issue. SDI out of drill combos is too easy. I guess since it doesn't look to bad on paper plus the fact that I've never had trouble with one leads to a personal bias, but yeah. Kafunanuhpah~
I still just don't see fox being too much of an issue. SDI out of drill combos is too easy. I guess since it doesn't look to bad on paper plus the fact that I've never had trouble with one leads to a personal bias, but yeah. Kafunanuhpah~
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I have a lot of trouble with Fox 
but it could be due to lack of matchup experience.
Nice Scrubs reference btw.
but it could be due to lack of matchup experience.Nice Scrubs reference btw.
cutter
Smash Champion
Fox could give you some problems if he keeps his Usmash fresh... other than that I don't see what else Fox has going for him.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
I don't know why I have trouble with the matchup either, I just do. I just need to play more Foxes.
Sudai
Stuff here
I'll see if I can play some good Foxes this weekend at HOBO12. I'm convinced the Foxes I've played just weren't up to par. :x
Also, you guys should be looking forward to some big post (and a huge update to an old one) coming from me sometime mid next week, next weekend at latest (next week is finals weeks. x.x)
Also, you guys should be looking forward to some big post (and a huge update to an old one) coming from me sometime mid next week, next weekend at latest (next week is finals weeks. x.x)
toasty
Smash Hero
So I haven't read the whole thing but don't need to because I'm ****ing G-Regulate awesome...
Actually I just stumbled upon this, but I'll chime in on the Fox thing. I'm not crazy experienced in it, but I've had scrubs give me way more trouble than they ever should.
I think with more experience against higher level Fox play [because how often do you actually face Brawl Fox used by advanced players in tourney???] this matchup will become easier simply by nature of the matchup and not due to a skill increase in ROB players. What I mean is, we'll just find ways around that lil b!tcha.ss woodland creature that end up becoming common ROB knowledge.
On teams, however, you may want to install a bear trap in your rectal cavity ;___; Fox WILL destroy you. A good one, anyway. Then again a really good Fox is amazing on teams in general because of low-damage kills, lasers that he can still effectively spam since the lack of knockback doesn't affect his teammate in the case of a stray laser, utilt has an equally bizarre hitbox as Melee Fox's utilt, which you can be comboed into if you don't DI the dair [and if you try and punish him for the dair..hah...yeah.....]
General and very basic tips that come to mind immediately:
-again, don't ever try to punish his dair, you'll eat a stupid amount of unnecessary damage.
-if he is standing and shooting, do NOT shield, just shoot him back.
-Foxes like to double-jump fair when recovering because it gives them extra height...they're open for gimping [can't dodge/reflect anything]...if they're stupidly anywhere near the edge, try to dtilt them, and then dair since they don't have any options really [will have vid up soon of a recent friendly =D]
-don't always try to walk them out with fairs, they'll DI up and can safely recover putting you at a disadvantage
-do NOT recover beneath the edge. Always approach the stage from a small distance, horizontally speaking. Fox CAN and WILL shine spike you, and you may end up running out of fuel. Just don't play around with attempting uair/nair. UpB from afar. his bair is a good edgeguard too.
-Foxes uair is a decent KO move.
-Don't play around above him often.
-Unless you're tech chasing, NEVER do a forward glide-toss. You can slide toward him, just don't throw the gyro forward
Actually I just stumbled upon this, but I'll chime in on the Fox thing. I'm not crazy experienced in it, but I've had scrubs give me way more trouble than they ever should.
I think with more experience against higher level Fox play [because how often do you actually face Brawl Fox used by advanced players in tourney???] this matchup will become easier simply by nature of the matchup and not due to a skill increase in ROB players. What I mean is, we'll just find ways around that lil b!tcha.ss woodland creature that end up becoming common ROB knowledge.
On teams, however, you may want to install a bear trap in your rectal cavity ;___; Fox WILL destroy you. A good one, anyway. Then again a really good Fox is amazing on teams in general because of low-damage kills, lasers that he can still effectively spam since the lack of knockback doesn't affect his teammate in the case of a stray laser, utilt has an equally bizarre hitbox as Melee Fox's utilt, which you can be comboed into if you don't DI the dair [and if you try and punish him for the dair..hah...yeah.....]
General and very basic tips that come to mind immediately:
-again, don't ever try to punish his dair, you'll eat a stupid amount of unnecessary damage.
-if he is standing and shooting, do NOT shield, just shoot him back.
-Foxes like to double-jump fair when recovering because it gives them extra height...they're open for gimping [can't dodge/reflect anything]...if they're stupidly anywhere near the edge, try to dtilt them, and then dair since they don't have any options really [will have vid up soon of a recent friendly =D]
-don't always try to walk them out with fairs, they'll DI up and can safely recover putting you at a disadvantage
-do NOT recover beneath the edge. Always approach the stage from a small distance, horizontally speaking. Fox CAN and WILL shine spike you, and you may end up running out of fuel. Just don't play around with attempting uair/nair. UpB from afar. his bair is a good edgeguard too.
-Foxes uair is a decent KO move.
-Don't play around above him often.
-Unless you're tech chasing, NEVER do a forward glide-toss. You can slide toward him, just don't throw the gyro forward