R.I.P. Kjell Anders "Nappy" Peterson.

[False]

Better have been all Snake or I will be severely disappoint

 

[Attila_]

Mostly snake with a little bit of ics. Videos up in the next few days.

 

[F A N G]

Hi! Now I get "greys", thanks

 

[Underload]

That's a really stupid thing to admit

 

[F A N G]

What is?

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Congrats Shmot. ^_^

 

[Attila_]

you're probably right. so pleased that everything went to plan though :D

 

[RATED]

I Lol'd so hard today, my HTML professor said the BEST that's what she said ever he said in spanish = "Esto esta bn grande y estoy ready pa cojerlo", which in English means " this is HUGE and I am ready to take it". He said it so Confident that Me and the other classmates LOL'd till crying

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

So was it a she or a he o0o

 

[F A N G]

So I was thinking, and I thought of something. It's based on this:

It is impossible to kill yourself off the top of the screen with the Cypher.

Using this, we should able to survive things we would not normally be able to (At least vertically).

You are able to air dodge out of hitstun on frame 14 (I found this somewhere, but I can't find it anymore) and I believe you can aerial sometime around 28.

Using these extra frames from air dodge, we should be able to cypher after the air dodge and survive.

I tried and was not able to get it to work, but my attempts to find a % to test this with were inconsistent. If someone could test this with Frame Advance (or tell me how to get it), we may be able to get a real result.

If there's some problem with part of this let me know, otherwise what do you think?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

iirc the time to airdodge/aeriel out of hitstun is exactly the same for either. And using cypher will furthur boost your momentum upwards. using an aerial and fast falling is by far the superior method.

 

[F A N G]

The Air Dodge would still end faster, even if not by as much.

Ok, it would boost you up, but being on the cypher wouldn't save you?

 

[Attila_]

You can Ff an aerial from frame 1. This is much better for surviving vertically.

Airdodging is only better when you are hit sideways (usually when you fail di), cause you don't want to Ff if hit at any less than 60ish degrees, cause you'll lessen the distance to the killzone. Using an airdodge followed by a wavebounce is something that I would like to look into, however.

 

[F A N G]

Did not know that. Frame one of hitstun?

The Zelda boards had something on Wavebouncing Neutral B for their momentum canceling.

It works for them, but messing it up means you die sooner. Not sure how much it would help us.

 

[Attila_]

First frame that the aerial comes out. You can't do this with airdodge though, making it only when you don't want to Ff.

The wavebounce could be potentially amazing, espc if you've already lost your jump. Would love for someone to test...

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVB4-NLlsQ&feature=feedu

More new stuff from GIMR. I had already given this thought but did not know about the letting go of the stick to be able to grab on from frame 1. I think we should discuss the benefits of the using this or the boost grab. Which one give more range and what not.

So far the only con is this cannot be buffered really but much less laggy than boost grab and easier.

ANNNNNNDDDDD congrats shmot!!!!!!!

 

[F A N G]

First frame that the aerial comes out. You can't do this with airdodge though, making it only when you don't want to Ff.

The wavebounce could be potentially amazing, espc if you've already lost your jump. Would love for someone to test...

Oh, I knew you couldn't FF AD the same way. But this cypher idea wouldn't work at all?

Also, wouldn't that require you to be facing away from the stage? Otherwise you have to do the Wavebounce where you get the boost in the same direction, much more complicated and accident prone.

 

[Attila_]

Oh thanks tech :D

You'd be facing the stage, then wavebouncing so your facing away from it. Risky, yes, but it could make you live 20-30% more, which would be amazing.

The grab thing is interesting; I never boost grab anyway cause it's outrageously slow and laggy.

 

[F A N G]

Oh thanks tech :D

You'd be facing the stage, then wavebouncing so your facing away from it. Risky, yes, but it could make you live 20-30% more, which would be amazing.

The grab thing is interesting; I never boost grab anyway cause it's outrageously slow and laggy.

Is it possible to B-reverse Cypher? Then recovering after wouldn't be as difficult.

 

[False]

I never dash grab, ever. I shielddash and grab. This new tech is really useful.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I probably already know the answer, but just double checking. What is the upside to shield grabbing as opposed to just a normal grab?

 

[False]

Well, shield grabbing and stationary grabbing are essentially the same: they're harder to punish because their ending lags are significantly less than that of dash grabs, where you go into a brief "stumble" animation.(ie d3 does a combat roll if he misses a dash grab)

Shielddash grabbing allows you the option of blocking before grabbing and also allows you to run and grab (much like a dash grab) except without having to deal with that ridiculous ending lag.

 

[ErikG]

My fellow Snakes,

what's good?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

shield grabbing isnt that much better than dash grab because of the lack of range on snake's standing grab, so dashing grab really isnt that bad.

Also. if mk is approaching your shield with a nado and you have a nade on your feet, sh instant throw oos is actually a pretty good way to combat that.

 

[Attila_]

oos sh insta throw? isnt that like, 20 frames or something?

 

[Reyney]

cant believe you guys come up with the idea of using b-reversals to mom cancel just now ..
tested it like over a year ago and sadly nothing works :/

 

[Attila_]

we thought of it ages ago, but as far i was aware, it was never tested.

why would ours not work, while others do?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

theirs actually have momentum changing effects, while ours doesnt. And I think ppl said that most of them are not rly better than jumping anyways.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Argh!!! How does anyone play Falco or Fox with shines >_> No matter how much I try, I cannot get my spacies any better. Oh well. Work with the limitations and go with Marth instead. **** with lower standards.

 

[Zajice]

Just pick MK if you have the mindset.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I was discussing melee you foolish pony.
If I wanted MK, I would act like this hacked phony.

 

[F A N G]

When in doubt, SHL. Dair > Shine. Repeat and kill with Bair/Upsmash/Fsmash/Uair.

Yay!

 

[Turazrok]

You're stupid.

Seriously... I hope you're trolling. I believe I just went through this with you people.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Does anyone know a good program to record videos with? I got the device itself, but the program it came with wasn't too great.

 

[F A N G]

You're stupid.

Seriously... I hope you're trolling. I believe I just went through this with you people.

Who?

Went through what?

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I think he may have been talking to you, & about the whole Spacie nonsense.

 

[F A N G]

It wasn't serious... I'm terrible with spacies

 

[Turazrok]

Sorry. Second time someone said that about falco and it annoys me.

I don't go around spouting how easy it is to win by spamming nades and ftilt now do I?

 

[F A N G]

Spoiler

At least I didn't make a flowchart like that

But honestly, I find them hilarious, especially the MK and DDD ones

 

[Ralph Cecil]

That is really funny. ^_^