Quest to Become the Best

[JesiahTEG]

Well although I don't want to admit this because I feel the better you are the less of a "main game" you have, if I had to choose it'd be an easy choice: Dash dancing. When my DD'ing is on it makes me, when it's not it breaks me.

I woke up to the most amazing thing today. Well let me back up. Last night I came home from work at 10 PM ( worked from 10 to 10 lol so gay but w/e). Juni and Steffon (Steffon is vicious on the boards) were practicing in steffon's room when i got home. They were doing Sheik vs Fox/Falco, a lot of matches. The good thing was, they were seriously practicing.

I didn't have to beg them and they weren't getting bored. they were both really trying to improve, and it's been a while since I've seen that from anyone besides me and maybe a few others, here and there...Even then, a sit down concentrated training session hasn't happened for anyone in a while.

Here's what's even better. I went to bed at around midnight cuz I had to get up for work at 8:30. I woke up at 8:30 and I hear clicking...I go next door to steffon's room and THEY'RE STILL PLAYING. ALL NIGHT LONG they just played and practiced. My other roommate Foy was home cuz he gets home at 6 AM from his overnight shift across the street at Tim Horton's, and he was playing too.

I could tell they were all super into it and awake because they were getting pissed when they were losing. Anyways, I had VERY little time to get ready for work, so I decided instead of using that time to shower to play a match of Melee instead. Steffon called my DK out so I had to trash him on FD for one match LOL not a trash, but a one stock with an SD. He got pissed and said I couldn't win if it's not on FD and without chaingrabbing but I really had to go so I couldn't prove it. The other time that happened 2 days ago was my DK vs his Falco on FD and he said the same thing so I beat him on Battlefield LOL (Steffon if you're reading this im sorry but DK's awesome)

I almost called in to work to play Smash, but I did that once with this job already and yesterday my manager talked to me about becoming a manager in the future so I didn't want to jeapordize it. Still, I almost did it.

Anyways, I have a sick life right now. It's not perfect, but going to bed with people playing Smash and waking up to it is just the sickest thing ever.

The only thing that makes me upset to think about is how much better we should be for living together. we have no excuse not to absolutely ****, all of us. We can just play whenever we want, but no one usually does (besides me). I mean, they do but it's not for very long. Like, a half hour to an hour at most...Not enough time to dive in.

Also, I try to tell them to TEST and do different things, like before I went to bed I told Juni if Fox is foxfiring above the ledge, throw horizontal needles in case he tries to sweetspot from above...But when I woke up he was still walking up to the ledge and Dsmashing or Ftilting...After that long of practicing he should have tested the crap out of that and mastered it.

Still though, just glad to have them be so motivated. I have the next 2 days off I'm literally going to sit in my room and practice everything I've been wanting to for the past week

 

[huMps]

Jesse I wanna come over tonight! I've been really on all weak. I gotta play with you guys.

 

[ranmaru]

I have to say from playing against minh, sometimes it is horrifically frustrating. Not to say it's a bad thing, because he's really good, and playing against him makes you think a lot more about your spacing and what defensive maneuvers you are taking.

Hmm interesting. I would keep jabbing and trying to see if I could continue, instead of backing up. That's also why I'd like to see how he would go about it.

Well although I don't want to admit this because I feel the better you are the less of a "main game" you have, if I had to choose it'd be an easy choice: Dash dancing. When my DD'ing is on it makes me, when it's not it breaks me.

I woke up to the most amazing thing today. Well let me back up. Last night I came home from work at 10 PM ( worked from 10 to 10 lol so gay but w/e). Juni and Steffon (Steffon is vicious on the boards) were practicing in steffon's room when i got home. They were doing Sheik vs Fox/Falco, a lot of matches. The good thing was, they were seriously practicing.

I didn't have to beg them and they weren't getting bored. they were both really trying to improve, and it's been a while since I've seen that from anyone besides me and maybe a few others, here and there...Even then, a sit down concentrated training session hasn't happened for anyone in a while.

Here's what's even better. I went to bed at around midnight cuz I had to get up for work at 8:30. I woke up at 8:30 and I hear clicking...I go next door to steffon's room and THEY'RE STILL PLAYING. ALL NIGHT LONG they just played and practiced. My other roommate Foy was home cuz he gets home at 6 AM from his overnight shift across the street at Tim Horton's, and he was playing too.

I could tell they were all super into it and awake because they were getting pissed when they were losing. Anyways, I had VERY little time to get ready for work, so I decided instead of using that time to shower to play a match of Melee instead. Steffon called my DK out so I had to trash him on FD for one match LOL not a trash, but a one stock with an SD. He got pissed and said I couldn't win if it's not on FD and without chaingrabbing but I really had to go so I couldn't prove it. The other time that happened 2 days ago was my DK vs his Falco on FD and he said the same thing so I beat him on Battlefield LOL (Steffon if you're reading this im sorry but DK's awesome)

I almost called in to work to play Smash, but I did that once with this job already and yesterday my manager talked to me about becoming a manager in the future so I didn't want to jeapordize it. Still, I almost did it.

Anyways, I have a sick life right now. It's not perfect, but going to bed with people playing Smash and waking up to it is just the sickest thing ever.

The only thing that makes me upset to think about is how much better we should be for living together. we have no excuse not to absolutely ****, all of us. We can just play whenever we want, but no one usually does (besides me). I mean, they do but it's not for very long. Like, a half hour to an hour at most...Not enough time to dive in.

Also, I try to tell them to TEST and do different things, like before I went to bed I told Juni if Fox is foxfiring above the ledge, throw horizontal needles in case he tries to sweetspot from above...But when I woke up he was still walking up to the ledge and Dsmashing or Ftilting...After that long of practicing he should have tested the crap out of that and mastered it.

Still though, just glad to have them be so motivated. I have the next 2 days off I'm literally going to sit in my room and practice everything I've been wanting to for the past week

Ah, good point. I can tell that I'm not all about gimping, but I know that is one of my strong suits. I'll have to ask my friends what they think is my overall game now.

It's nice to know that you can have some team mates that have the same passion in improving as you do.

I know that I can always train with my friend No cash. I can tell that he always strives to improve (I HOPE LOL) or at least is always going to tournies with me. Yeah, we call them adventures. Rom3 was our biggest yet (and I got sick : [ )

Also, like sometimes we would have hotels and stuff, and we'd be smashing till like 4 am. Although on Sunday of Rom we didn't get up early lol, and didn't get that much smash in. : [

It would be cool to live with some smashers. : ] I currently am in the environement where if I try to practice, my parents would instantly say "ack what is that noise?!?"

I need some space to practice to my fullest sometimes.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

< 3

 

[ranmaru]

Lol name searching yourself. I'll give you something for that! *puts your name somewhere*

 

[JesiahTEG]

Ranmaru- The minute you jab you're going to get CC'd and then if u try to cc that by the time you can get your move out you've slid too far away to counterattack lol

 

[Nø Ca$h]

Lol name searching yourself. I'll give you something for that! *puts your name somewhere*

i didnt name search i check this regularly

 

[Rubyiris]

jesiah: I have roommates similar to your own. The originally approached me, being mad hype about getting better for having one of the better AZ players living with them, but after a while, the person whom I play with the most just started to get super discouraged, which makes it extremely hard to really sit down and PRACTICE.

The more irritating thing is that I'm super inconsistent and it takes hours of deliberate gameplay to get into the rhythm of things and play at my peak, and by then they're sick of smash.

I was all excited about the prospect of rooming with other smashers, but a lot of that hypes died out. It's more irritating that I'm trying super hard to get my **** together for DGDTJ, and my main training partner is really stubborn, and despite the fact he asks routinely for critique, he never implements the alternatives I present him.

 

[ranmaru]

jesiah: I have roommates similar to your own. The originally approached me, being mad hype about getting better for having one of the better AZ players living with them, but after a while, the person whom I play with the most just started to get super discouraged, which makes it extremely hard to really sit down and PRACTICE.

The more irritating thing is that I'm super inconsistent and it takes hours of deliberate gameplay to get into the rhythm of things and play at my peak, and by then they're sick of smash.

I was all excited about the prospect of rooming with other smashers, but a lot of that hypes died out. It's more irritating that I'm trying super hard to get my **** together for DGDTJ, and my main training partner is really stubborn, and despite the fact he asks routinely for critique, he never implements the alternatives I present him.

Well, I'm pretty sure it's easy to get super discouraged when trying to improve in melee.

Sometimes I say "I suck at smash... I should just stick to hosting" (or think it)

But you know what, I haven't stopped yet. Why? It's fun. Second, what else can I practice in to leave my mark in the world?

I was thinking of retiring after Pound 5 if I didn't really get anywhere after it. I have been playing since 07 and I'm tired of not improving to the level I want to.

Ok, oops so I guess I sort of ranted. Back to you now.

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So, maybe he should just need some time to relax, and chill. Maybe the loss your partner is super discouraged about, made him stronger somehow.

Just try to understand that he is having doubts, and maybe this is the time that you should reassure your friend about his skills. Back him up with the strengths... then tell him that he HAS to shape up with your advice in mind, no joke. Tell this friend that this is the hurdle they must tackle to become one of the best.

Like I remember my friend vorosh saying "Just get him in between rolls" and I noticed that I shouldn't have been rolling. I was rolling because I was being lazy and thinking "I don't REALLY need to wd back in shield" but then I'm sure it's better to do that and I just practiced up on that.

Things like that. Little things go a long way I guess.

 

[ranmaru]

Oops, sorry, somehow I double posted. ;-; Oh well, I won't waste this post by THAT much...

(> 0 0 )> <3 Maylay.

 

[Rubyiris]

I've been playing since 2005, and I have always been mediocre.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh ok. Yeah, I'm mediocre myself but I'm getting better (bit by bit ;-

and I'm sure you are too.

 

[Rubyiris]

i may get better but everyone else does too.

 

[ranmaru]

Yesh, that is true. That is why we have to go to the hyperbolic time chamber (almost called it super hyperbolic time chamber xD)

so we can get to super saiyan 2 THAT MUCH faster than the others improving.

Thing is, if you are PERSISTENT, maybe you'll be better then some people, because I notice not ALL people are getting better faster. How the hell can I be near the skill level of one who owned the hell out of me when I was a total noob?

Some people are lazy. We, cannot be. lol.

 

[Rubyiris]

Mindset makes the biggest difference. I've got persistence and perseverance, but I have the worst mindset ever.

It also doesn't help that I'm much better than my roommates. ._.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, it does. Now, if you truly want to get even better, I guess you might need to work on it. I mean, acknowledge your current strengths and weaknesses, and you shouldn't be like "I didn't expect him to win like that" and instead be like "Oh, I see, I must have made a mistake there somehow" (while also noting to yourself that your opponent could have trained up really hard as well)

But you say you have persistence and perseverance, so at least you have that. but what is going through your mind when you are down on ONE stock, against your opponent with high percent, three stocks? (I usually try to support my friends, I'll be like "You can bring it back!" and I'd do the same for you )

Oh, well, you can still practice the fundamentals with them then, that way your basics will be dead on. You can also be as creative as you can be and practice things with them. : ]

It's not that bad to be playing people that aren't as good as you. (hopefully they aren't THAT bad)

but, don't act as if you aren't doing well because your friends aren't skilled enough to challenge you. ;p (hopefully they may catch up to you? ;-; )

 

[Rubyiris]

Ranmaru: It seems like you don't know anything about me, or the people I play with. I suggest you check out my YT before you make any other posts. I appreciate that you're trying to help but it's kinda annoying that you're expending so much effort on a subject you don't know anything about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Rubyiris

 

[ranmaru]

Ok, sure, it may seem that way, but why? (You say it's annoying but you don't explain WHAT I don't know, I'm not going to study your youtube to help you, if you REALLY want the help, then I suggest you explain further.) [Of course I don't mind the effort at all, but it's a two way street here]

I can see that the issues you are having a tough, its not hard to notice that. (I'm not just trying to write you off a MAGICAL SOLUTION to solve your problems right away, this is something that requires YOUR thoughts as well, I'm no doctor. Lol jk I am take some pills)

If you yourself don't put an effort as to why, then I hope you find a way. (I will always be willing to help you, but if you would rather want help from others, I'm fine with that )

 

[Rubyiris]

It'd be much easier to study the YT since I'd have to pick through your post and point out the points that I've either already known, or someone else has pointed out.

 

[ranmaru]

Well, I'll take a look at it later. I'll let you know my thoughts.

But, is it best to do it "the easy way?" I'm sleepy. Going to sleep. : ]

 

[Tee ay eye]

jesse, what's your opinion on secondaries and improvement?

i've heard some say that you should (near) exclusively use one character and just improve linearly with them

and others have said that secondaries are good for improvement because you get to see the game in different ways, do different things, yatta yatta (you get the idea, i don't want to put effort into lingual precision)

or do you think you should sorta cycle between the two?

if it helps feed your discussion at all, i got leagues better once i decided i was gonna main marth (almost exactly a year ago). i was a fox/falco/marth co-user before that. i got a lot more consistent, my spacing got way better, and i just feel like i have much more control over the little things..

however, once i did that, all my other characters (especially my sheik and falcon) got a lot better, too.

 

[huMps]

I've been working on Marth almost exclusively for a about a month now and it has made my secondaries better too. I've heard other people say the same thing " I've been training with marth for a while now and I've noticed my other charecters are benefiting" Kinda weird. It makes sense though, marth is pretty raw. space

 

[Divinokage]

jesse, what's your opinion on secondaries and improvement?

i've heard some say that you should (near) exclusively use one character and just improve linearly with them

and others have said that secondaries are good for improvement because you get to see the game in different ways, do different things, yatta yatta (you get the idea, i don't want to put effort into lingual precision)

or do you think you should sorta cycle between the two?

if it helps feed your discussion at all, i got leagues better once i decided i was gonna main marth (almost exactly a year ago). i was a fox/falco/marth co-user before that. i got a lot more consistent, my spacing got way better, and i just feel like i have much more control over the little things..

however, once i did that, all my other characters (especially my sheik and falcon) got a lot better, too.

I've been working on Marth almost exclusively for a about a month now and it has made my secondaries better too. I've heard other people say the same thing " I've been training with marth for a while now and I've noticed my other charecters are benefiting" Kinda weird. It makes sense though, marth is pretty raw. space

I think you both are wrong and right at the same time. When you get better as a player then obviously you will be able to see more truth about the game correct? It's not just the character. If you are able to react more quickly, see the spacing, see what's going on.. then all you have to worry about is the character himself and you will be able to perform much better than before or are used to. =P

 

[JesiahTEG]

Oh Tec0 just saw your post...mods if you want to move this to userblogs go right ahead..wherever its more appropriate

Ok, so I started playing at 1PM today and it's getting close to 1AM. We've been doing some ridiculous training sessions. I'm pleased with my skill right now, it's just a matter of making it so second nature that in tournament it comes out perfectly.

With Marth, the key to really being able to **** with him is mastering his dash dancing. You have to DD in such a way that it completely deceives the opponent. Not just that, but you need to be so good at recognizing the moment they fall for the bait. It's like...you have to be able to look at their character and sense when they think it's safe to attack, then move out of range as quickly and far as possible to punish.

That's one reason why I feel it's very rare to see a high level Marth nowadays. With space animals and sheik in the neutral position they have projectiles and quick pokes and really quick and high priority approaches. It's easier to pressure with them because you can SEE what's happening. You aim your attacks to approach (nair and dair with fox) you use wd back ftilt with sheik which is so fast and really not that risky, and there's just so much you can do to your opponent with the moves of other characters.

Marth doesn't have the luxury of being able to do that as much as other characters, because if you miss an aerial you get punished and his attacks are somewhat laggy and come out kinda slow. He's not "safe." In order to really control your opponent, you need to have a ridiculous, almost uncanny eye for controlling space without really doing anything besides moving, and understanding that at different ranges there are different things going through your opponent's head, and then capitalize on them. It's harder though than with other characters because you have to just move around staying safe but also threatening them just with the threat of your range.

You can't actually use your range all the time, because they will move out of your range and punish you. You have to be able to threaten with it, and then use it when you have them trapped.

Here's a good example. FD, Fox vs Marth. Fox is standing with his back to the ledge, and marth's in front of him. The fox is smart, so he doesn't do anything dumb like roll or dodge or attack, because Marth is ready to DD grab all of those options instantly. Instead, the Fox full hops forwards.

Marth goes into DD. Now, if Marth tries to WD backwards Fsmash the full hop forwards when fox lands, or DD grab it, it's probably not going to hit, because Marth moves backwards when he sees Fox full hop, but then Fox jumps back and lands, and now that Marth was ready to punish the initial jump, he moved backwards and gave Fox space. Now there's a lot of space and Fox is not as threatened anymore.

If Marth tries to punish the Fox when he lands from the first jump, he's going to miss and get punished. It's like, yes he has range with his sword and a ridiculous dash dance, but you can't actually use it all the time. People are baiting it and know about it.

Falco has the luxury of shooting lasers, and Sheik can space bairs which cover a ton of space and can't be punished in this situation. Fox can space bairs as well because he's so mobile, you can snipe their jump.

Marth though...A way to take advantage of that situation with Marth would be this: When you see them jump, you go into DD. You have to be smart though, and know that the Fox isn't going to hit you, and don't think of the situation as "I'm going to punish him when he lands!"

But rather, "I'm going to use my range to threaten him into moving backwards, and then strike."

So you go into DD to give the illusion that you're going to be dumb and punish them, but then after they use their second jump, WD in and tipper fsmash, or dtilt...As long as it takes their jump so they are forced to Up B.

That's just one situation, but with Marth you need to be able to see what's not there. See what they're going to do and where they're going to go to avoid your range...No, not just see it, but CONTROL and PRESSURE them there invisibly, just threatening..And then you use his range to surprise them and corner them.

That's one thing I've been working on today. It's really hard because you have to be able to have perfect spacing with DD'ing and Wavedashing. Some DD's need to look like an approach which is hard to give them that look and feel.

Another thing too is that sometimes you have to dash as far as possible with one dash dance to escape an approach, and then turn around and grab, as oppose to dashing away to avoid the attack and then dashing in. Sometimes if they really chase you with an aerial, you have to be able to dash as far back as possible to avoid the overshoot, but if you try to dash back and grab you'll go through them, since they're right behind you cuz they just missed...So you have to just turn and grab.

Another thing too, comboing Spacies on FD is almost a joke. CG to 20-25 and then just pivot cg as many times as I want in a row. Then combo into Utilt, Uair into tipper Fsmash or throw in more uairs into reverse up b....Like, practice matches on FD now are just how many ZTD's can I get in a row. How many different ways can I kill them based on their DI.

I'm not trying to brag. Rather, I think what I'm trying to say is that I've learned which moves and what percents to use them at to always connect into something else. Very rarely is it reaction now, my combos unless it's tech chasing. Otherwise, it almost feels like each move in my combo is a setup for the next one.

I can just do uthrow to uair regrabs like 3-4 times in a row by hitting them with the weak part of the uair, or i can stop in the middle of uthrow uair regrab and with one of the uthrows, if i see percent for a tipper fsmash, i might do that instead, or do a fair into tech chase...

Haha, rambling, sorry. Oh, another thing I've noticed as I've gotten better. Tech chasing used to be kinda hard because you don't really know where they're going to go, so ZTD'ing with tech chases used to be difficult. Now though, tech chasing is almost guaranteed for me because I'm purposely putting them into those situations so it's not like it's catching me off guard.

I'm trying to explain it so I don't sound dumb cuz re reading my words it looks like, "well now i throw them into tech chasing positions so its easier" lol...No, it's more like, tech chasing is just part of a combo for me. I just throw, adjust my spacing with a single dd, then react to what they do into regrab...Also I know exactly what I'm going to do when I rethrow them after the tech chase, because as I'm tech chasing them I look at their percent real quick.

I can't explain the feeling. It's just when I get a grab at 0, it feels like an addicting mini game in an RPG or something...How perfect can I be, how many times in a row. I know where they're going to be after each hit so it's just about execution and testing new things.

Decided to take a break to make a post, kinda wanna start playing but kinda wanna post more. Super tired though lol

 

[ranmaru]

I think you both are wrong and right at the same time. When you get better as a player then obviously you will be able to see more truth about the game correct? It's not just the character. If you are able to react more quickly, see the spacing, see what's going on.. then all you have to worry about is the character himself and you will be able to perform much better than before or are used to. =P

Don't you think it's just more of a general melee thing? Once I played OTG at No johns and he told me that I know the doc specifics well, but not the melee specifics.

So maybe it's not ALL about character. WE HAVE TO be able to know how to play the GAME well, and not just the char.

Like, sure I can Up b cancel, I can't shine precisely, my peach suxorz1111, but I think it's more about thinking about your opponent too.

Like a web. I mean I think my puff sucks but I just have to evade an attack (especially marth) and get in with an attack and use my insight on how to go further.

Now with falco it's easier to go in I just need to do better with comboing or shining.

But I also need to bait and trick my opponents and use 1 million tactics to become the successor. Maybe I'm reading into this too much.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Sheik Dthrow on Spacies

I know this is probably very common knowledge but I THINK I just figured out my favorite way to tech chase spacies as Sheik.

Dthrow walk forwards slowly. Walk forwards is important for a few reasons. First, you're closing the distance between Sheik and their tech away option, which if you just stand in place is impossible to get to if they tech away, cuz it's so far. Their tech behind option puts them pretty much right behind Sheik, so if you walk forwards you're not losing much distance at all, and can still grab them with one dash grab.

If they tech in place, I do a really fast DD grab. Walking forwards puts Sheik right on top of the spacies body, so if they tech in place they might be able to Shine before I can grab. But, by DD grabbing as soon as I see them tech in place, I can avoid the shine.

If they don't tech at all, just jab because you can jab out of a walk.

Then at higher percents, just dash attack and if they DI away, tech chase with another dash attack LOL

Seriously, Sheik is ********.

 

[ranmaru]

Oh nice, I should walk more... to jab. LOL. : ] Not that I should be walking against a sheik though. D:

 

[Divinokage]

Yup! Sometimes playing faster is playing slower to see whats going on.

 

[TunaCasserole]

jesse, what's your opinion on secondaries and improvement?

i've heard some say that you should (near) exclusively use one character and just improve linearly with them

and others have said that secondaries are good for improvement because you get to see the game in different ways, do different things, yatta yatta (you get the idea, i don't want to put effort into lingual precision)

or do you think you should sorta cycle between the two?

if it helps feed your discussion at all, i got leagues better once i decided i was gonna main marth (almost exactly a year ago). i was a fox/falco/marth co-user before that. i got a lot more consistent, my spacing got way better, and i just feel like i have much more control over the little things..

however, once i did that, all my other characters (especially my sheik and falcon) got a lot better, too.

Just to offer my quick 2 cents

If you can identify things that are missing from your melee game, playing one character is best. If you feel that you've peaked, however, or are having trouble in a particular matchup, rotating character can be invaluable. The logic behind this claim is that if you are aware of certain things you need to be working on, it would seem more productive to practice those things with the character you eventually intend to use in tournament (your main), and switching between characters might actually serve as a hindrance to your improvement. If you feel that you've peaked or are having trouble in a particular matchup, though, picking up another character (or if it's the matchup you're having trouble with, picking up the particular character that you're having trouble with) can give you new insight into the game, as each character requires different (although ultimately, similar) elements to play competently.

I gotta say though...after experimenting and at this point being adequately competent with just about every character (besides Yoshi, I'm too lazy to learn his **** ), my main is Sheik cause she's so gay

That doesn't mean I'm not gonna whip out Pichu and **** on everyone though

Pichu is underrated! Everyone go play him. You too, Jesse.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

i ****in hate that pichu

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Here's a good example. FD, Fox vs Marth. Fox is standing with his back to the ledge, and marth's in front of him. The fox is smart, so he doesn't do anything dumb like roll or dodge or attack, because Marth is ready to DD grab all of those options instantly. Instead, the Fox full hops forwards.

Marth goes into DD. Now, if Marth tries to WD backwards Fsmash the full hop forwards when fox lands, or DD grab it, it's probably not going to hit, because Marth moves backwards when he sees Fox full hop, but then Fox jumps back and lands, and now that Marth was ready to punish the initial jump, he moved backwards and gave Fox space. Now there's a lot of space and Fox is not as threatened anymore.

If Marth tries to punish the Fox when he lands from the first jump, he's going to miss and get punished. It's like, yes he has range with his sword and a ridiculous dash dance, but you can't actually use it all the time. People are baiting it and know about it.

Great post overall but I am not a fan of this example. Marth should just uair a full hop forward, not DD lol. The general point you were trying to make was spot on tho.

I agree about the minigame when you get a grab as Marth. Its so much fun

 

[00000001]

Where I would normally just sit back and read the boards, with the occasional prudent or topical post, this one was one I couldn't resist.

I think a testament to the pulse of the smash community has to be this.

As I read this entire post, I realized that page after page of me reading, you're exactly like me. I made a conscious choice to sort of get rid of certain aspects of my life that I had previously enjoyed because of that fact that I KNOW I want to be a contender(which is all I'm settling for atm) in smash and I know how much everyone else practices in this game and every minute I don't is a minute they get better.


Pardon the dorky analogy but one of the reasons I love this game so much, besides the fact that it's **** is that it reminds me of oldschool kung fu stories/movies. There are dozens of schools, and with each of these there is a teacher and there is one person who is good with this one weapon, and even has styles of usage(play) named after him. There are those that almost noone can beat, and if there's ever a fight between masters, almost everyone wants to watch, and it's all exciting.

If you're wondering what all this nonsensical crap is. I'm just praising smash for creating the mindset of people (like yourself), it's really about discipline and even though it's a game, it's real life proof that if you work at it, you can do it. I looked at videos of you playing on youtube and I think you're ****..like every char I've seen you play. The earlier point you were saying about everyone has a beast mode, should more accurately be. Everyone's beast mode is relative to the player's goals. To me, it looks like you're operating in 95% beast mode, but I can understand why you don't think so, since you are your own worst critic.

You and I seem to have a very Sun Tzu like approach to our smashing. I took a personal oath to never talk trash and to always help people who want to get better, which is at the present myself.

One day I want to see you on the battlefield, I bet when we play one match I'll know you alot better than the smalltalk i'm so terrible at would ever permit. And when you kick my *** i'm simply gonna congratulate you and take notes. Thats how it works.

Also, fyi. This post is very very inspirational lol, you wouldn't believe how much.

 

[JesiahTEG]

crimson blur- i feel you dude

000001- you're awesome man. thanks for sharing that, and yeah i think im pretty philosophical when it comes to smash sometimes, but we all can be..

and yeah, thats one thing im really working on...figuring out how to play your best, (beast mode) always. its tough and some players can do it, but most cant.

also you've been around for forever dude, im sure you're really really good haha

and lastly, yeah the only thing that matters to me in smash is tournament placing, working your way to the 1 spot. theres one clear goal in mind, but a ton of different ways to get there and that's where the journey comes in, so its good to hear that you understand what im talking about

Tuna- For people that don't know how to fight against pichu, i just spam nairs and wd back fsmash and it *****, also uair strings over and over lol

 

[otg]

Yo lemme get at that ****ing pichu.

I'm really excited for the Troy tourney this weekend. Much melee and 4/20 friendly consumption is in order.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah man, I hope you go Doc (at least once) so I can see you **** with it. I mean sure, you CAN **** with spacies, but yet, they are always easier to get gimped by Doc... so it's weird. lol

 

[otg]

I feel like my spacies are better then my Doc atm, but I'll probably cop out and go all Doc in tourney again. And then I'll switch to spacies, do better and barely lose sets because I use Doc game 1 when I really should've just stuck out Fox or Falco from the beginning.

 

[ranmaru]

I was GOING to try and use secondaries in a local tournament in the past weekend, but I also could not be swayed from my Doc. My friend No cash tells me my Falco and Jiggs have potential, but I don't think I can use them at a competitive level LOL.

Like, my Falco can't wd consistently, so it's like WD WD JUMP xD

but I don't care, I don't need to wave dash alot with Falco anyways, I forget that I'm not doc and that I don't need to run to cover more space. (cuz I'm falco, lol)

But I guess it depends on what character your opponent is using, and how comfortable they are playing your doc or spacies.

(some people don't know the matchup? I can tell someone Might NOT know doc well when they strike FD and FoD on me, LOL)

But I agree with you, if my falco was at my Doc's level, he'd ****. (and I'd love my ****)

 

[Niko45]

Yaneev let me get at that ****in pichu right quick.....with my Roy. Money match nikaka!?

 

[otg]

TFS about to become all about low tiers.

 

[Lovage]

Here's a good example. FD, Fox vs Marth. Fox is standing with his back to the ledge, and marth's in front of him. The fox is smart, so he doesn't do anything dumb like roll or dodge or attack, because Marth is ready to DD grab all of those options instantly. Instead, the Fox full hops forwards.

Marth goes into DD. Now, if Marth tries to WD backwards Fsmash the full hop forwards when fox lands, or DD grab it, it's probably not going to hit, because Marth moves backwards when he sees Fox full hop, but then Fox jumps back and lands, and now that Marth was ready to punish the initial jump, he moved backwards and gave Fox space. Now there's a lot of space and Fox is not as threatened anymore.

If Marth tries to punish the Fox when he lands from the first jump, he's going to miss and get punished. It's like, yes he has range with his sword and a ridiculous dash dance, but you can't actually use it all the time. People are baiting it and know about it.

i really appreciate the thought process that goes into this, but in this specific example i would say that a fox fullhopping with his back to the edge is almost as risky as him just rushing in with a SH nair/drill. people have become so precise with their movement and reactions in situations like this, that fullhops in that situation are actually pretty limited in what they can accomplish.

like when i imagine that situation in my head it feels pretty easy for the marth to time dashes and react to my movement to cover almost anything i do (unless i get really kooky.) just something to think about