Prophet?

[cswright]

1) If Tamagon were playable, then when we got the Devil AT it wouldn't have had the generic Smash symbol.
2) He pretends that the hole in Ganondorfs chest doesn't make sense and that his sword is "out of character" yet he knows the name of the sword.
3) He "guesses" Lucario's move name, and yet, knew to use the word Aura.
4) He wishes to remain anonymous, yet says his ranking from the beta.
5) He said there would be 44 characters, and then listed 45.
6) He said there would be a Top 100 within your friends, yet you can only have 64 friends at once.
7) He says Lucario is hard to unlock with 100 trophies, yet says there are 500 total trophies and you get an "insane amount of coins" upon clearing SSE.
8) Serebii has said his information is false.
9) He pretends that he doesn't know who Geno is, yet knows he is from some "obscure Mario game"
10) He makes claims about SSE which would dictate that it is extremely long and has differences every time you play. Highly unlikely.
11) Ridley, who placed extremely highly in the polls, is not in the game AT ALL, yet Sylux is playable.
12) Nintendo "threw away all conservatism" and put in Cecil, Knuckles, and Jajamaru?
13) Not only that, they went through the trouble to obtain these characters, even though they wouldn't please fans nearly as much as many other options, AND one of them is a clone of Ike!
14) Forget that Sakurai said there are no rankings, there are anyways.
15) Out of the confirmed, what, 3,000 Wi-fi connections on Brawl already, he somehow managed to place 17th, yet he has no knowledge of Smash.
16) He threatens to leave and taunts with more information. Not a real leaker, more like an attention *****.

He's fake. But:
1) This doesnt prove anything if sakurai simply wanted to keep tamagon secret. It wont happen but this argument doesnt fly.
15) the connections are connected matches per week, so you could only have 25-50 testers on it playing a lot. The guys not a tester just a fraud, but whatever.

 

[Black/Light]

Mewtwo still has a chance seeing how Serebii only knew incomplete stuff.

But he claims to know everything pokemon related in brawl. . . enuff to deconfirm P&M and to claim one vet and one new pokey will be in brawl.

 

[cswright]

But he claims to know everything pokemon related in brawl. . . enuff to deconfirm P&M and to claim one vet and one new pokey will be in brawl.

i assume when he said one vet he meant besides pikachu because pikachu and jpuff make two, but jpuff is apparently in so...

 

[deebz435]

But he claims to know everything pokemon related in brawl. . . enuff to deconfirm P&M and to claim one vet and one new pokey will be in brawl.

Yea I just read some of his posts. I am getting a little worried about the status of Mewtwo. Didn't Serebii say he wasn't going to post so much on here too.

 

[_Phloat_]

Thats crazy..

I can't believe the Gfaqs staff moderated him, if he had some more CAPS LOCK and !!!bad puntooation.!1one then it would fit in with the rest of the users there. All he did was stick out, in a positive way, and he got modded.

Oh well, we are here to discuss his prophetic ways (sp??) and I would say that there is a chance of a leak. When a game does leak it has to happen somewhere, and smashboards and gamefaqs are huge forum sites, so there is a higher chance of us seeing it than some small forum.

 

[TamJammerz]

Lucario couldn't replace Mewtwo... They're too different. Lucario can't even levitate

 

[Revven]

Yea I just read some of his posts. I am getting a little worried about the status of Mewtwo. Didn't Serebii say he wasn't going to post so much on here too.

He said that right after he answered to the nin10dough "leak". Which was long after he said one vet is returning and one new one is coming.

 

[cswright]

He said that right after he answered to the nin10dough "leak". Which was long after he said one vet is returning and one new one is coming.

he's said it several times because hes always sort of implying something that he shouldnt be and he doesnt wanna get in trouble. Also it probably keeps lots of posts with questions off his back. The time he said it youre talking about I think was because we were starting to suggest he had confirmed lucario indirectly and he backed out a bit to watch.

 

[deebz435]

He said that right after he answered to the nin10dough "leak". Which was long after he said one vet is returning and one new one is coming.

Couldn't that mean that Jiggs is out and Mewtwo is returning, and that Lucario would be the newcomer. I know that could happen but I doubt it with all this prophet business.

 

[GhostAnime]

But he claims to know everything pokemon related in brawl. . . enuff to deconfirm P&M and to claim one vet and one new pokey will be in brawl.

still, why would they replace Mewtwo with someone so unlike him?

let alone, why would they take Jigglypuff over Mewtwo when they considered removing her in Melee? what's Jiggs got over Mewtwo in all honesty? oh sure, it was in the first SSB but so was Ness.

it just doesn't make any sense to me. the only thing that supports your case is David Hayter and even if his favorite 'I want to beat up' character is Jigglypuff, it's still shaky.

 

[cswright]

still, why would they replace Mewtwo with someone so unlike him?

let alone, why would they take Jigglypuff over Mewtwo when they considered removing her in Melee? what's Jiggs got over Mewtwo in all honesty? oh sure, it was in the first SSB but so was Ness.

it just doesn't make any sense to me. the only thing that supports your case is David Hayter and even if his favorite 'I want to beat up' character is Jigglypuff, it's still shaky.

speaking of ness, the same chaoszero info in question said ness was ingame (not necessarily playable)

 

[Revven]

Couldn't that mean that Jiggs is out and Mewtwo is returning, and that Lucario would be the newcomer. I know that could happen but I doubt it with all this prophet business.

Snake's VA "leaked" Jigglypuff being playable by him having to do one of his codec things for Jiggly.

still, why would they replace Mewtwo with someone so unlike him?

let alone, why would they take Jigglypuff over Mewtwo when they considered removing her in Melee? what's Jiggs got over Mewtwo in all honesty? oh sure, it was in the first SSB but so was Ness.

it just doesn't make any sense to me. the only thing that supports your case is David Hayter and even if his favorite 'I want to beat up' character is Jigglypuff, it's still shaky.

CZ said he doesn't know what they mean exactly by "replace", but, in a literal sense that's the way you're taking it. But, if we take it in a way that Sakurai or anyone else would want us to, it means that Lucario is taking the place Mewtwo had in Melee. Sort of like Pokémon Trainer is "replacing" Pichu, or in layman's terms, taking his spot since we know Pichu is going to be gone. Taking that way with PT, we can do the same with Lucario.

Do you get what I'm saying? Or is it flying over your head? Because, I believe this is what CZ's source meant.

speaking of ness, the same chaoszero info in question said ness was ingame (not necessarily playable)

CZ later says that all those characters he mentions were intended to be taken as playable characters. Look pages back for a quote or so, you'll run into it eventually.

 

[Black/Light]

still, why would they replace Mewtwo with someone so unlike him?

let alone, why would they take Jigglypuff over Mewtwo when they considered removing her in Melee? what's Jiggs got over Mewtwo in all honesty? oh sure, it was in the first SSB but so was Ness.

it just doesn't make any sense to me. the only thing that supports your case is David Hayter and even if his favorite 'I want to beat up' character is Jigglypuff, it's still shaky.

Hey, I don't like it either and I don't see why it would happen. They wouldn't actually be replacing Mewtwo, just dropping him like Pichu well Lucario is added (I think thats the point behind Serebii saying that).

And it's not my place to say why any of this would happen. . .maybe Sakurai will say so when he reveals some of these characters. I can only go off of whats been said by serebii and CZ (And Snake's VA).

 

[cswright]

Snake's VA "leaked" Jigglypuff being playable by him having to do one of his codec things for Jiggly.

all i ever saw was a corny interview where he said in brawl he most looked forward to beating up jiggly

 

[flaco]

I agree with black light 100 percient

 

[Serph]

Well, I hope CZ's information is fake, and that Dragoon thing was just an extremely lucky guess. I'm not a fan of Starfox so I'm not too bothered about Wolf, I barely ever used Ness in previous Smash games, and I definitely do not want Mewtwo replaced by Lucario.

 

[Revven]

Well, I hope CZ's information is fake, and that Dragoon thing was just an extremely lucky guess. I'm not a fan of Starfox so I'm not too bothered about Wolf, I barely ever used Ness in previous Smash games, and I definitely do not want Mewtwo replaced by Lucario.

Even if it was "guessed" (as you think) two months ago? I very seriously doubt it was a guess, but if you think so, go ahead. It will only make the blow harder for you when the game is out and this information holds true.

 

[deebz435]

I remeber the David Hayter interview and him mentioning Jiggs. I don't know, the evidence against Mewtwo returning and Lucario replacing him is strong. I'm just in denial of this still cause I hate to see Mewtwo go.

 

[Serph]

Even if it was "guessed" (as you think) two months ago? I very seriously doubt it was a guess, but if you think so, go ahead. It will only make the blow harder for you when the game is out and this information holds true.

I said "I hope it's fake", not "I think it's fake".

Blimey. Read the post maybe? :/

 

[FrogButler]

^Hayter gave an interview?

 

[Serph]

^Hayter gave an interview?

He was asked which Smash character he'd most like to beat-up or something, to which he replied "probably Pikachu or Jigglypuff."

 

[deebz435]

^Hayter gave an interview?

Yea here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmxj-cly1Dk

 

[GhostAnime]

well, I can see what you mean by Pichu going away for PT or Mewtwo just being dropped period, but what reason is there to drop him?

what reason is there to put Lucario over him? the point still kinda stands: what makes Lucario more deserving in it than Mewtwo?

 

[FrogButler]

Lucario:

-Is more popular currently
-Had his own movie
-The #1 Most Recognized 4th Gen Character
-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

 

[shellblade]

If that's how the dragoon worked in the actual kirby's air ride game than I'd hardly even call the guess lucky

 

[Serph]

the point still kinda stands: what makes Lucario more deserving in it than Mewtwo?

I'm no expert, but I'm guessing Lucario is now more popular than Mewtwo, especially amongst the newest wave of kids who discovered the series in the fourth gen. If Lucario was needed to grab ratings then Sakurai may've had to cut one other Pokemon to avoid a series overload.

That's not necessarily the way I see it, but I do understand the logic. Personally I think it's silly to axe anyone at all, with the possible exception of clones. But even then they're not harming anyone, are they?

Lucario:

-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

O_o

As far as I remember he was used by a gym leader and one of your temporary allies in D/P, and that's it. Mewtwo actually has his own backstory in Red and Blue.

 

[Revven]

If that's how the dragoon worked in the actual kirby's air ride game than I'd hardly even call the guess lucky

It doesn't do the same thing. The three parts and combining is from the game, but, the Dragoon doesn't have a cross hair or a super attack.

 

[Zek]

If that's how the dragoon worked in the actual kirby's air ride game than I'd hardly even call the guess lucky

It's not, the only similarity is the gathering of 3 parts. The crosshair and rush attack are unique to Brawl. And even just guessing that a ship from Kirby Air Ride would be an item is a pretty big stretch.

I think the odds are very strong that he had the info about Dragoon. That doesn't mean that the rest of his information is correct though. For all we know, he heard a leak about that one item and then constructed a "prophecy" around it to mess with people.

 

[ChronoBound]

Well, one thing is certain. These prophets will either be proven or disproved within three weeks. My heart goes out to all the Mewtwo fans, and personally I hope he does not get cut because it would be a wasting an original moveset. He is also still one of the most popular and most well-known legendaries, and was one of the few characters that I was happy to see make it when the Melee roster leak was proven to be real.

 

[shellblade]

It doesn't do the same thing. The three parts and combining is from the game, but, the Dragoon doesn't have a cross hair or a super attack.

Ok then thanks for clearing that up
I'll still take the "prophet's" words with a grain of salt though

 

[SinisterLizard]

I remeber the David Hayter interview and him mentioning Jiggs. I don't know, the evidence against Mewtwo returning and Lucario replacing him is strong. I'm just in denial of this still cause I hate to see Mewtwo go.

Where is this "evidence against Mewtwo returning and Lucario reaplacing him"? This one guy who said this? How is this one questionable piece of "evidence"...the only thing suggesting this...make the case for M2's replacement "strong"?? That's just a very silly thing to say.

Lucario:

-Is more popular currently
-Had his own movie
-The #1 Most Recognized 4th Gen Character
-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

Mewtwo was still in far more games and continues to appear in games, etc...Being a handful of appearances as of late, doesn't make Lucario superior.

 

[deebz435]

Where is this "evidence against Mewtwo returning and Lucario reaplacing him"? This one guy who said this? How is this one questionable piece of "evidence"...the only thing suggesting this...make the case for M2's replacement "strong"?? That's just a very silly thing to say.



Mewtwo was still in far more games and continues to appear in games, etc...Being a handful of appearances as of late, doesn't make Lucario superior.

Serebii himself hinted at Lucario replacing Mewtwo, and he actually has reliable info. considering he runs the largest pokemon site on the net.

 

[SinisterLizard]

Fox: vulpine
Krystal: vulpine
Wolf: lupine
Lucario: lupine

There are zero amount of canine characters in Brawl.

Whatever dude, they're all related to dogs.

And besides, you're an idiot. For one, Lucario is more like a jackal than a wolf, and for two, THEY ALL FALL UNDER THE SAME GFAMILY "CANIDAE"...

[Canine - An animal of the family Canidae]

EDIT: On a side note, it's about time the topic creator posted his original source because he modified it. The original source said (with regards to Lucario and M2): "Place being a vague term, I don't know exactly what it means." That seems kind of like a crucial part to me.

Honestly, though...Him keeping in Ness would be ridiculous if he cut other certain characters.

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally, I don't think any non-clones will be cut. I think it would be a shame and downright stupid to throw away an original moveset, unless of course there is a character that can take that person's moveset (like with Lucas). Lucario will likely have a mostly different moveset from Mewtwo which is why I hope he is not replacing him.

However, if Mewtwo has indeed been axed, there is nothing we can do at this point. The game has probably gone gold or will go gold next week. I fear the day of the roster leak will not be greeted with cheers and excitement, but rather anger, resentment, denial, and sadness. I will hope for the best, and hope for a roster that satisfies most of us.

 

[Black/Light]

Lucario:

-Is more popular currently
-Had his own movie
-The #1 Most Recognized 4th Gen Character
-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

-Maybe with Pokemon noobs. I would say Mew2 is more popular with people who kept up with the series.
-So did Mew2. . .and Mew2's was the first and best (In story and sells. . .Actually, it's the best selling anime movie in US history).
-If you know the 4th gen than Im pretty sure you know who the starters are before him.
-What? Mewtwo actually appeared in pokemon md where Lucario was just a cameo. And I would say Mew2's story in RB and it's remakes was deeper than the DP Lucario side thing.

Mew2 is gone and Lucario is in. . .I know that. . .but by no means does this prove any merit for it.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

1) If Tamagon were playable, then when we got the Devil AT it wouldn't have had the generic Smash symbol.
2) He pretends that the hole in Ganondorfs chest doesn't make sense and that his sword is "out of character" yet he knows the name of the sword.
3) He "guesses" Lucario's move name, and yet, knew to use the word Aura.
4) He wishes to remain anonymous, yet says his ranking from the beta.
5) He said there would be 44 characters, and then listed 45.
6) He said there would be a Top 100 within your friends, yet you can only have 64 friends at once.
7) He says Lucario is hard to unlock with 100 trophies, yet says there are 500 total trophies and you get an "insane amount of coins" upon clearing SSE.
8) Serebii has said his information is false.
9) He pretends that he doesn't know who Geno is, yet knows he is from some "obscure Mario game"
10) He makes claims about SSE which would dictate that it is extremely long and has differences every time you play. Highly unlikely.
11) Ridley, who placed extremely highly in the polls, is not in the game AT ALL, yet Sylux is playable.
12) Nintendo "threw away all conservatism" and put in Cecil, Knuckles, and Jajamaru?
13) Not only that, they went through the trouble to obtain these characters, even though they wouldn't please fans nearly as much as many other options, AND one of them is a clone of Ike!
14) Forget that Sakurai said there are no rankings, there are anyways.
15) Out of the confirmed, what, 3,000 Wi-fi connections on Brawl already, he somehow managed to place 17th, yet he has no knowledge of Smash.
16) He threatens to leave and taunts with more information. Not a real leaker, more like an attention *****.

1) No. Petey Piranha had a Smash icon, Waluigi had a Mushroom icon instead of a Wario icon, so I doubt that it can really be used as grounds to prove anything.
2) If you're testing something, one should know the proper name, that doesn't mean he knows the context.
3) " "
5) He recanted and said Bowser Jr. was actually not a character, which he expressed doubt about in the first place. Tricky? Yes, but it makes more sense to remember a character number.
9) The same goes with me, it's not unbelievable.
10) It does have differences, depending on how you play it. Petey Pirahna with the two cages is an example..
12) Jajamaru is a perfect WTF character.
13) What trouble? Knuckles wouldn't be much of a problem, and Cecil is one of the best options from an old FF standpoint.

For the record, I kind of doubt the "leak" but you're gonna have to come up with better 'proof' then that. For example, him stating that Dixie Kong is a playable character when her trophy has already been shown and is a bit pathetic looking.

 

[T-major]

Lucario:

-Is more popular currently

I highly doubt that.

-Had his own movie

Mewtwo had two. owned.

-The #1 Most Recognized 4th Gen Character

so? Mewtwo is more recognized in general. people who've never even PLAYED Pokemon know who Mewtwo is! but if I asked some random person at my school who Lucario is, they'd say "who that? some kind of rapper?"...

-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

no. it was a Pokemon that partnered with you at one part, and a Gym lead used it. thats it it's not legendary, and it's not important. Mewtwo, on the other hand, is important. he was the original "last Pokemon" and was the strongest until Arceus came along. he has a back story, and is the only Pokemon that can pass as a villain; having had an antagonist role in the first movie, as well as having a Pokedex description that labels him as "the Pokemon the the cruelest heart" or something along those lines.

Lucario isn't even CLOSE to having more priority over Mewtwo. I don't know WHAT brain people use to think up this crap; probably one thats shoved up the @$$...

these leaks are absolute bull, and anyone who believes them should be ashamed of themselves...

 

[SinisterLizard]

However, if Mewtwo has indeed been axed, there is nothing we can do at this point. The game has probably gone gold or will go gold next week. I fear the day of the roster leak will not be greeted with cheers and excitement, but rather anger, resentment, denial, and sadness. I will hope for the best, and hope for a roster that satisfies most of us.

As long as Ridley and Olimar are playable, I'm happy. Personally, I don't give a rip about Pokemon. I never got into them. But, I hate Lucario, and I think it would be a travesty if Mewtwo was booted and he was put in.

 

[Kirby knight]

If the rumor is true regarding Lucario and Mewtwo I wonder how the boards would erupt, sounds amusing.

I like both pokemon, but I do like Lucario more so I'd be happy if he made it in. I'd say more but I'm really not in the mood for a Lucario vs Mewtwo flamewar :/

-Knight

 

[Proven]

You may call them Pokemon noobs, but the fact still remains that there is the older, hardcore, played since Red and Blue crowd, and now there's a new generation of Pokemon fans. Pokemon has been going strong for over 10 years now. Think about that. There will be people that never had Red or Blue as their first game and will only search for Mewtwo just as another hard to get notch on their pokedex or just use him for battle since he has legendary level stats. Mewtwo is special to us, but not to them.

Edit: I can also argue Nintendo marketing push. Out with the old and in with the new. Can anybody say, Ike?

Smash Bros has always gone with the newest and popular, so unless Pokemon is allowed to get more than four reps (and you would hope, as Mewtwo is the only one who'd really make a good villain) one of the first and few original cuts in the franchise will be Mewtwo.

The only thing that the second leaker did that I liked was show me just how Lucario's moveset could easily be made as a clone moveset to Mewtwo, just like how Gannondorf had an altered moveset and physics to Captain Falcon in Melee and how Lucas looks like a replacement/clone of Ness.

But all we're doing now is arguing about reasons to stand behind certain speculations when the game is out in Japan in three weeks, and us NA fellows must wait just 37 more days for our localized copy.