Prophet?

[Revven]

these leaks are absolute bull, and anyone who believes them should be ashamed of themselves...

Says the guy who apparently has Brawl.

No, really, do you have Brawl? Because I'd like to know how you figure CZ is wrong.

Our reasons for Lucario being "replaced" are probably not the real reasons why. Sakurai is Sakurai, you know, and how many times has he mindgamed us? A LOT. Kay? K.

CZ (Chaos Zero) can be believed, the rest are just trying to jump in the middle of the mess to get some fame. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine, but there's some people that are willing to and that's being much better than being in denial and wind up being even more disappointed upon release of the game in Japan.

I expect these things to happen, whether they hold true or not, something will cause a ruckus.

Bold = emphasizing not anger.

 

[GhostAnime]

-Is more popular currently

in terms of being liked? maybe. in terms of being more known? heck no

-Had his own movie

Mewtwo had two; not to mention that being in the first one means you're still better known for movies.

-Much bigger role in almost all games including him.

this one made me laugh.

Our reasons for Lucario being "replaced" are probably not the real reasons why. Sakurai is Sakurai, you know, and how many times has he mindgamed us? A LOT. Kay? K.

not everything is a mind game. unless he updates Lucario and mentions Mewtwo at the same time, you MAY have a case, but right now, it just sounds extremely silly.

 

[Kirby knight]

People are getting so defensive about this Mewtwo/Lucario thing and it's understandable, but don't make it out to seem that Lucario has no chance at all.

Lucario is currently one the most popular pokemon to those of the DP generation, so why not add him? Pikachu was added because he was popular, the same with Jigglypuff.

Why should Sakurai only appeal to those of played the rby generation (when they're already represented by 5 playable pokemon already)?

RBY is the past and DP is the present. A Lucario addition doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

Lucario has a chance, you can't deny that. As for whether or not he replaces Mewtwo, you'll have to wait to you get your hands on the game yourself to know for sure.

-Knight

 

[FrogButler]

-Maybe with Pokemon noobs. I would say Mew2 is more popular with people who kept up with the series.
-So did Mew2. . .and Mew2's was the first and best (In story and sells. . .Actually, it's the best selling anime movie in US history).
-If you know the 4th gen than Im pretty sure you know who the starters are before him.
-What? Mewtwo actually appeared in pokemon md where Lucario was just a cameo. And I would say Mew2's story in RB and it's remakes was deeper than the DP Lucario side thing.

Mew2 is gone and Lucario is in. . .I know that. . .but by no means does this prove any merit for it.

I see your point...

 

[Chepe]

Well, apparently Jigglypuff is still 2nd on a top 10ish most popular Pokemon of recent times. I cant find the link to it but I saw it on a Pokemon thread in the Brawl Character Discussion boards...

But Pikachu was #1, Jigglypuff was #2, and Charizard was #3. Mewtwo I think was #4 or #5 or something. If Sakurai and co. felt they needed to cut someone from the roster to make way for a modern newcomer, then they would probably know that Jiggs is still more popular than Mewtwo and decided to cut him instead. Charizard is now playable after what Im sure was a long time of wishing from many, so now the top 3 most popular Pokemon would be playable...

Sad thing, I support Lucario wholeheartedly, but then again I never wanted Mewtwo to leave, I vouched for him many times before I heard that LadyCelebi say that Serebii knows Lucario replaced Mewtwo.

 

[GhostAnime]

Lucario is currently one the most popular pokemon to those of the DP generation, so why not add him? Pikachu was added because he was popular, the same with Jigglypuff.

so why was Trainer added with r/b/y starters?

how about Mewtwo in Melee despite G/S/C being released?

 

[Jackal478]

Have you guys ever dawned on how they both may be in?

 

[FlipTroopa]

Fox: vulpine
Krystal: vulpine
Wolf: lupine
Lucario: lupine

There are zero amount of canine characters in Brawl.

Mario: Human
Link: Hylian
Donkey Kong: Gorilla

ZOMG! There's too many primates in Brawl!

 

[Kirby knight]

so why was Trainer added

how about Mewtwo in Melee

To get the full meaning of my post your going to have to read it's entirety and not just the part that you want to.

-Knight

 

[OrlanduEX]

Questions about Serebii.
Where exactly did Serebii get info about the pokemon present in Brawl?
How much does he know about the full roster?
Is he at liberty to say?

 

[Agosta44]

Mewtwo out, Lucario in. Living in denial isn't going to help.

 

[GhostAnime]

To get the full meaning of my post your going to have to read it's entirety and not just the part that you want to.

I got the full meaning. my point still stands. they can still cater to the past.

Mewtwo out, Lucario in. Living in denial isn't going to help.

what the heck are you talking about? nothing's concrete.

 

[VaneWalker]

Mario: Human
Link: Hylian
Donkey Kong: Gorilla

ZOMG! There's too many primates in Brawl!

Uh no mario is a drwarf of the mushroom kingdom. a mushromian drwarf if you will not a human

 

[verditude]

Questions about Serebii.
Where exactly did Serebii get info about the pokemon present in Brawl?
How much does he know about the full roster?
Is he at liberty to say?

IDK who Serebii's sources are but they're always first with correct info on Pokemon stuff, they're reliable. He probaby knows only the Pokemon stuff in Brawl, and has made it clear that leaking info would violate his nondisclosure agreement with his sources.

 

[Kirby knight]

I got the full meaning. my point still stands. they can still cater to the past.



what the heck are you talking about? nothing's concrete.

How can you get the full meaning of something if you apparently only read part if it? They can still cater to the past, but why can't they cater to the future generations as well? If you did read my post you would see what I said regarding the rby generation.

-Knight

 

[FrogButler]

I think I actually might know Serebii's sources...

 

[GhostAnime]

I'm not saying they can't add any newer generation characters.

I was replying more to "such and such were added because they were popular".

 

[pokémoneinstein]

I go on GameFAQs, and I'm a regular on that board. I saw the original topic, and he never said that Wolf is playable, or that any of those characters are playable, either. And as far as Lucario>Mewtwo goes, he said taking his place, and he said that "place is a vague term," and that he doesn't even know what that means. For all we know it could mean his plce as that worst character on the tiers, or as the worst Pokémon, so stop with all of this "ZOMG! Lucario isn't replacing Mewtwo!" "Oh yes he is! CZ said so!" "but Lucario can't use Mewtwo's moves!" bull ****

 

[GhostAnime]

For all we know it could mean his plce as that worst character on the tiers

how can anyone even say that without playing it?

even if they could play the final game, how could they make concrete tiers?

 

[vesperview]

I'm sick of the "prophets" saying Mewtwo isn't coming back and that Ness is, is getting really annoying, it would be really stupid to kick out Mewtwo, who's one of the most important Pokemon and the first legendary one in favor of Lucario, let alone kick Mewtwo out who has a unique moveset and keep Ness the semi clone of Lucas.

Ridiculous!

 

[Revven]

I'm sick of the "prophets" saying Mewtwo isn't coming back and that Ness is, is getting really annoying, it would be really stupid to kick out Mewtwo, who's one of the most important Pokemon and the first legendary one in favor of Lucario, let alone kick Mewtwo out who has a unique moveset and keep Ness the semi clone of Lucas.

Ridiculous!

And Sakurai is a ridiculous person to do just that! :D

 

[Fandangox]

I'm sick of the "prophets" saying Mewtwo isn't coming back and that Ness is, is getting really annoying, it would be really stupid to kick out Mewtwo, who's one of the most important Pokemon and the first legendary one in favor of Lucario, let alone kick Mewtwo out who has a unique moveset and keep Ness the semi clone of Lucas.

Ridiculous!

For the firts time, I agree with you

 

[Chepe]

I'm sick of the "prophets" saying Mewtwo isn't coming back and that Ness is, is getting really annoying, it would be really stupid to kick out Mewtwo, who's one of the most important Pokemon and the first legendary one in favor of Lucario, let alone kick Mewtwo out who has a unique moveset and keep Ness the semi clone of Lucas.

Ridiculous!

I think its ridiculous that you think Ness would be the clone of Lucas just because Lucas was shown first lol. Just my nitpicking at people forgetting Ness would have been in Brawl first if he is in...

About the Mewtwo thing, lets just say that if they had to cut someone, Mewtwo would have left before Pika and Jiggs...

 

[vesperview]

I think its ridiculous that you think Ness would be the clone of Lucas just because Lucas was shown first lol. Just my nitpicking at people forgetting Ness would have been in Brawl first if he is in...

Irrelevant.

About the Mewtwo thing, lets just say that if they had to cut someone, Mewtwo would have left before Pika and Jiggs...

No, Jigglypuff would leave before the the other two.

 

[Revven]

I think its ridiculous that you think Ness would be the clone of Lucas just because Lucas was shown first lol. Just my nitpicking at people forgetting Ness would have been in Brawl first if he is in...

About the Mewtwo thing, lets just say that if they had to cut someone, Mewtwo would have left before Pika and Jiggs...

He's got a point you know, on both parts actually...

 

[Chepe]

Irrelevant.

No, Jigglypuff would leave before the the other two.

Yeah, my first part is irrelevant, I kinda indicated that it was just nitpicking.

About Jiggs, she is still #2 on a recent most popular Pokemon list. Pikachu was in 1st, Jigglypuff in 2nd, Charizard in 3rd, and Mewtwo in 4th/5th/6th I cant remember. All I know is that when I saw that list, I noted that the top 3 Pokemon are confirmed or practically confirmed for Brawl.

If the development team wanted to remove a veteran for another newcomer Pokemon, then they would likely know that Jiggs is still more popular than Mewtwo...

 

[Drik Khaail]

Ness is the clone of Lucas? Why did I bother walking back into this thread?...

 

[Flaming Dragon Wang]

Well, you know what they say.

You can't spell prophet without dicknose.

 

[Black/Light]

Yeah, my first part is irrelevant, I kinda indicated that it was just nitpicking.

About Jiggs, she is still #2 on a recent most popular Pokemon list. Pikachu was in 1st, Jigglypuff in 2nd, Charizard in 3rd, and Mewtwo in 4th/5th/6th I cant remember. All I know is that when I saw that list, I noted that the top 3 Pokemon are confirmed or practically confirmed for Brawl.

If the development team wanted to remove a veteran for another newcomer Pokemon, then they would likely know that Jiggs is still more popular than Mewtwo...

Well, with out driving into popular, I would personally would think Jpuff would leave first. Mainly because Sakurai wanted to drop her for melee and also wanted to include Mewtwo back in SSB64. . . .just doesn't add up but w/e, he is gone most likely which is sad.

And vesperview. . . .Your sig is kick a**!!!

 

[Kel]

It's a good thing that nobody is afraid to express their opinions.

 

[RazeveX]

just throwing this out there, but when he said lucario is replacing mewtwo, did anyone think he meant replacing in the legendary pokemon sense, rather than a moveset?

either way, mewtwo better be in or i blow up something...

he's just...so....cool...

is it a he?

 

[vesperview]

About Jiggs, she is still #2 on a recent most popular Pokemon list. Pikachu was in 1st, Jigglypuff in 2nd, Charizard in 3rd, and Mewtwo in 4th/5th/6th I cant remember. All I know is that when I saw that list, I noted that the top 3 Pokemon are confirmed or practically confirmed for Brawl.

Jigglypuff's popularity has been going downhill, she's not even on the anime anymore, Mewtwo has both merit in the anime and the games, which is something Jigglypuff can't say.

And vesperview. . . .Your sig is kick a**!!!

Thank you!

 

[Chepe]

I used to think Jiggs would leave first too, calling her a "fad of Pokemon" just like Lucario is now, which was expendable. But people kept saying she was more popular than Mewtwo and someone pulled up that recent list somewhere in the Brawl Character Discussion boards, and I never felt comfortable using that excuse again. Then the whole David Hayter thing popped up, then LadyCelebi did, then ChaosZero...

I personally believe that the development team think of Jiggs as a staple now and know she is still the 2nd most popular Pokemon...

 

[Rhubarbo]

Mods lock this thread and lock all "Prophet" thread until the Japanese relaese or a major gaming soucre reveals any info. I'm aware of what happened with Melee, but this info is wrong until probe correct!

 

[OrlanduEX]

Mods lock this thread and lock all "Prophet" thread until the Japanese relaese or a major gaming soucre reveals any info. I'm aware of what happened with Melee, but this info is wrong until probe correct!

That would probably be a good idea. This thread is full of meaningless and endless speculation.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Nothing wrong with kicking around some ideas, thread should stay open...

Monday can't come soon enough! Speaking on which, is anyone else praying that the updates start letting loose some juicy info? I'm hoping the days of "You Must Recover!" types of updates are over...

 

[Kirby knight]

I'm sick of the "prophets" saying Mewtwo isn't coming back and that Ness is, is getting really annoying, it would be really stupid to kick out Mewtwo, who's one of the most important Pokemon and the first legendary one in favor of Lucario, let alone kick Mewtwo out who has a unique moveset and keep Ness the semi clone of Lucas.

Ridiculous!

I'm not going to touch the Ness/Lucas thing but the Lucario/Mewtwo topic. Popularity>Importance, when it comes choosing a pokemon in my opinion. (The Pokemon Trainer falls under a different category because he is the most important character in every single pokemon game).

What makes Pikachu more important than Mewtwo?, discounting things like the anime/dolls and such. Nothing really stands out other than Pikachu being a somewhat rare electric type you can find early in the game. Mewtwo on the other hand, has a back story and is a one off pokemon. You can see who "seems" to be more important overall, so why wasn't Mewtwo in the original SSB instead of Pikachu?

Lucario seems to have a bit of the "Pikachu factor". He is one of the most popular pokemon associated with newcomers who just started getting into the pokemon series with the 4th generation. Nintendo itself seems to be hyping up Lucario's popularity with a movie and minor cameo's and other games. In DP Lucario is one of the rarer pokemon, as you have to complete a sidequest in order to get a Riolu egg which later will evolve into Lucario if it's friendship level is high enough. The person who gives you that egg is heavily based off of Sir Aaron, a character who was in the Lucario & The mystery of Mew movie.

With the amount of hype Nintendo is seemly giving Lucario, it would not surprise me at all if he showed up in Brawl as a playable character.

Mewtwo is popular with the older generation of people, those who started with RBY. Those who (perhaps) don't even play the games anymore yet still expect Nintendo/Gamefreak/Sakurai to still only appeal to them.

Many of the newer players don't see Mewtwo in the same light as the players who started with Pokemon Red and Blue and rightly so shouldn't be expected to either. Nintendo or any other company isn't going to make any money by only targeting one sort of audience they have to have a wide appeal level.

Pikachu, Squritle,Ivysaur,Charizard and perhaps Jigglypuff represent rby more than enough, so I'd think it would be more than fair to have at least have one pokemon to represent the most current generation.

You can disagree with me all you want, these are just my thoughts and I think they have some merit.

<.< Just no flaming please

-Knight

 

[Sandwich]

Lucario.
Is not.
In Brawl.

 

[User33]

^ Because you own the game right?

 

[Boofer]

Even though Pokemon has a hefty amount without Mewtwo, there's no reason for them to kick him. I don't think "pokemon has too many reps" is a good enough reason to remove a character. Especially one as big as Mewtwo. It's not like there is a limit to the amount of characters they can include. If anything, it would make more sense to simply not add another new pokemon rep. Removing a perfectly original moveset is really ********, I'm sorry. I could only see it making sense if Lucario has some moves that are very similar to Mewtwo's, kind of like what that Nin10dough guy said...Like if he was a perfect replacement move-wise.

And yes, I'd rather see Jiggs leave, but I'd prefer that they all stayed, besides Pichu.

@ Kirby King: Like I said, there is no reason a character should actually be removed unless another character can replace him properly. Though Lucario may be popular enough to be in, there's no reason why this should jeopardize Mewtwo's chances... Honestly, when we look at priority, uniqueness should be just as important as popularity, if not more. Sakurai should be looking at what is fun to play as, and with some buffs Mewtwo could easily be one of the most interesting characters.

Sakurai better have some big surprises/cool characters with my mewtwo gone. Mannn.....I'll never forget how cool it was to watch a great mewtwo player.