Yeah, thats a great roster if you like Dog-People and sword fighters. Well, it seems the madness has started just because January began. So now there's going to be "leaks" and rumors flying all over the place. I dying to know the whole "real" roster too (don't care a bit about spoiling it) BUT I'm thinking of sitting out the message boards a little until around Jan15th or so. (atleast then, the leaks have a greater chance of being true or you can disprove them sooner)
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Prophet?
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It could be a sign that he cares about popularity, famosity and degree of association, and if you think about it that way there is no reason for the above three being used to cater to those that loved the series from the beginning and Lucario being intended to please new devotees to the franchise.
Source on this? I think Sakurai uses his own preference balanced with influence from fan wishes to make a decision on roster placement. Also, first you talk about Sakurai's preferences being the dealbreaker, but then you decide Deoxys is more interesting and that this somehow would make Sakurai like him less.
So we get the PT trio for making the older PK fans swoon, we get Mewtwo for being significant to the first movie and his "villain" impression and we get Lucario as a rep for the new gen of PK games and gamers
Canines are popular to anthropomorphosize, and I don't think this holds more water than the wishes of Sakurai and the fans (especially since the former seems quite sensitive to the latter - he actually walked around and asked people how much they wanted chars like Geno and Krystal).
SonicSpeed
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It wouldn't be all that bad if this were true.
Fox: vulpine
Krystal: vulpine
Wolf: lupine
Lucario: lupine
There are zero amount of canine characters in Brawl.
Fonz
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Marie_54
Smash Ace
If prophets are blasphemous we must burn them alive...
jk but it does anger me when people who have nothing better to do come up with crap.
Although this guy seems to be on to something i really don't care about rumors anymore, i just want brawl to come out so people can stop speculating.
jk but it does anger me when people who have nothing better to do come up with crap.
Although this guy seems to be on to something i really don't care about rumors anymore, i just want brawl to come out so people can stop speculating.
evilflame101
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i believe it, i mean u cant guess those dragoon parts... and maybe some of it is false, as he heard it from a reliable source... i dont care either way...Update: The user who posted this was ChaosZero on Gamefaqs.
This is from Gamefaqs, from after the stage builder was announced, on 10/30/07.
Update: This is a scan of the original post:
Thoughts? I don't know the original user personally, but he seems reputable, and this kind of prophesy is hard to ignore.
inb4flames
EDIT: For those of you who can't accept Ness's return:
The prophet just found out about the Dragoon and then lumped it together with BS - hoping the Dragoon prediction would lend credibility to it. I am not saying this is the most probable explanation but I think it is quite possible.
Revven
FrankerZ
This has been said before, have you read the entire thread? If not, I suggest you do, as this has been proposed before. But, notice how the guy doesn't force the information on us, notice how he just up and left after saying his fair dues. He left with a "believe it or don't, I don't care." attitude much like anyone with an actual source would say knowing that some people wouldn't believe him.
Well, I for one am believing the guy to an extent. He went out of his way, two months ago, to give us a ridiculous item that actually came true two months later. What I don't understand is how is that hard to believe? If the person has a source then the details are of course to be expected. What you say doesn't prove him wrong, in fact, nobody would predict an item. "Prophets" or leakers usually give out the roster, this guy gave us a multitude of information on not just characters but, on some other things.
The only thing that could prove CZ wrong is if Ness wasn't in the game or any of the characters he said weren't in the game. Nobody's here-say can determine whether he's right or wrong. It's called the waiting game and I say we wait before we go "BS! O EM GEE BS!" all over him.
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Jumpinjahosafa
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Doing this he would have to know that Dragoon would be revealed before all of his other information, or his whole post would be false.
And there is no way he couldve known that.
If it turned out that Zelda's downB was NOT Shiek before we knew about dragoon then his whole post would be false, and the fact that he posted this 2 months before Dragoon was revealed kind of shows that his information is credible, and that he didn't make up the rest.
0_Zero_0
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Maybe some of the information is true as people say but some of it is just hard to believe, like ness returning? Im also having doubts about shiek.
PITforREV
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Everythign the man stated is true. I guarantee it.
IWontGetOverTheDam
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You seem to be very keen on touting nin10dough's "leak" as fact. Well, I'm not buying it, not until there's something concrete behind it.
FrogButler
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Everything he stated in the PARAGRAPHS were true. The list that seems as though it was written by a different person? The one with Tamagon and Plusle and Minun? That I don't believe but the paragraphs the Cecil, Knuckles, Jajamaru and Geno thing and Subspace along with the FSes of Sheik and Capt. Falcon all seem true.
papagenos
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i agree.
i think the "updated 44 character list" was made by some one else posing as the nin10dough guy.
the original leak he did seems believable to me tho and it goes with this leak.
also this leak was made months ago, if one piece of tact on information was false by now then we'd be able to dismiss the dragoon as a great guess or beleive he tact the rest of the stuff on to the only true leak he had heard "the dragoon" but months have passed and nothing has disproved any of his other information so i actually beleive this.
i think the "updated 44 character list" was made by some one else posing as the nin10dough guy.
the original leak he did seems believable to me tho and it goes with this leak.
also this leak was made months ago, if one piece of tact on information was false by now then we'd be able to dismiss the dragoon as a great guess or beleive he tact the rest of the stuff on to the only true leak he had heard "the dragoon" but months have passed and nothing has disproved any of his other information so i actually beleive this.
JJJ.Brawler
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You're both right, it all seems true, except for the 44 char list thing. That was mostr likely a different person. But if it was indeed the same guy, I beleive none of this.
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I couldn't give 2 rats ***es about Lucario being in. . . .it's the fact that he gets in well Mew2 doesn't that burns people. Really, at what cost would you, or anyone, want for the newest gen to be "repped"? Will PT be replaced by Zozoo/ Markamar and Geospot from the 5/6th gen for SSB4? At what point do they draw the line. . . Jpuff? (who was going to get tossed but came back to melee cause they felt bad for her fans according to melee's site)
Anthan we are going to have 4 canids (Yes, Foxes/ Wolves/ Jackals are all under the name "Canids"). Well ****. . . I for one would perfer to have Mew2 come back more than to have him tossed in favor of a 4th genner who doesn't even bring the villian-ish look to the series.
And I pretty much think that CZ is the real deal. Serebii basically slipped up and confirmed atleast the Lucario/ Mew2 bit so now thats 2 parts that have been confirmed.
FrogButler
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^We all kind knew about Lucario though.
Nobody really knew that, I never saw anyone say they truly believed he was in or that mewtwo was out until ChaosZero, and even them people argued it. Until serebii's wording seemed to confirm it, noone was too keen to say it was probably true.
FrogButler
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^Did Serebii ever confirm it?
Black/Light
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He slipped up with his wording. Read his post history. . .or my post history (I listed how he slipped up sometime yesterday)
And csw is correct. Not many people out right belived him till Serebii slipped up. Now I believe him after claiming BS . . .
not directly. what happened was he said that the plusle / minon bit in this newest leak was false, but he neglected to say anything about lucario/mewtwo, leading some to believe it is therefore true. decide for yourself, but leave serebii alone. He's already helped more than anyone could possibly ask for
FrogButler
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I could ask for alot more help...
youll get your help soon enough, just dont bug him for it, hes being as helpful as he can be
InvincibleAgent
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He meant while acting in a moral fashion.
Black/Light
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Thats not where it ends. . .
People asked him about the CZ leak when it came out and he said "I can not confirm nor deny anything in this cause IDK everything about the game. . . just a good chunk".
Than the first Nin10do leak came with Lucario info and he than said "Something in this contradicts what my sources told me" (Deconfirming that leak but still didn't deconfirm the other).
He than goes to say after the next Nin10 one that his sources have told him everything about pokemon in brawl and that P&M are not PC. (NOT saying anything about the Lucario one)
And he keeps saying he never said Lucario was replacing Mew2. . . never saying that he never said Lucario was in and Mew2 was out.
He has said ONE vet pokey is coming back and one NEW pokey is being added (JPuff confirmed by Snake VA). Plus other things I would list but Im busy.
It doesn't take L from Death Note to figure this one out. . .
No one is bothering Serebii, just pointing out many things he said that confirmed this in a slipping manner.
deebz435
Smash Journeyman
I thought that Nin10dough guy was proven to be a complete hoax. Even if he hasn't been I don't believe a word he said and I hated that list he made up. Still I remain skeptical about the whole Lucario replacing Mewtwo thing and that's because I don't want it to happen.
okiyama
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I figure since he got the dragoon thing spot on, why not the others? He obviously has a good source.
deebz435
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That was ChaosZero who actually had some believability to his predictions while I don't completely agree with it. There was another guy on Gamefaqs (Nin10dough) claiming to be a tester and said Jajamaru, Cecil, Knuckles, and an online ranking system would be in.
flaco
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um intresting information thank you alltought it might not be true but lets hope
ChaosZero got the dragoon correct 2 months in advance. Nin10dough has yesterdays leak with a bunch of unusual stuff in it and apparently its already been proven fake by a couple people.
Revven
FrankerZ
Agreed, I believe in Chaos Zero's information 100%.
M.K
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There is no way that Mewtwo would be replaced by some ancient fox. It's simply uncanny. Anyone looking to pick up the game would be like "Oh sweet, it's Mewtwo! The last pokemon I ever got, and the most powerful psychic type!". It's a matter more of publicity.
GhostAnime
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Mewtwo still has a chance seeing how Serebii only knew incomplete stuff.
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I think regardless of who turns out to be right, we will be extremely surprised by a lot of the stuff that makes it into the game. I'm remaining skeptical of everyone and claiming nothing as false until the game acutally comes out. I think we all remember what happened with melee, so I feel it's best to just view all leaks as a possibility (unless they are without a doubt 100% deconfirmed, which, for me, only the dojo can deconfirm something).
1) If Tamagon were playable, then when we got the Devil AT it wouldn't have had the generic Smash symbol.
2) He pretends that the hole in Ganondorfs chest doesn't make sense and that his sword is "out of character" yet he knows the name of the sword.
3) He "guesses" Lucario's move name, and yet, knew to use the word Aura.
4) He wishes to remain anonymous, yet says his ranking from the beta.
5) He said there would be 44 characters, and then listed 45.
6) He said there would be a Top 100 within your friends, yet you can only have 64 friends at once.
7) He says Lucario is hard to unlock with 100 trophies, yet says there are 500 total trophies and you get an "insane amount of coins" upon clearing SSE.
8) Serebii has said his information is false.
9) He pretends that he doesn't know who Geno is, yet knows he is from some "obscure Mario game"
10) He makes claims about SSE which would dictate that it is extremely long and has differences every time you play. Highly unlikely.
11) Ridley, who placed extremely highly in the polls, is not in the game AT ALL, yet Sylux is playable.
12) Nintendo "threw away all conservatism" and put in Cecil, Knuckles, and Jajamaru?
13) Not only that, they went through the trouble to obtain these characters, even though they wouldn't please fans nearly as much as many other options, AND one of them is a clone of Ike!
14) Forget that Sakurai said there are no rankings, there are anyways.
15) Out of the confirmed, what, 3,000 Wi-fi connections on Brawl already, he somehow managed to place 17th, yet he has no knowledge of Smash.
16) He threatens to leave and taunts with more information. Not a real leaker, more like an attention *****.
2) He pretends that the hole in Ganondorfs chest doesn't make sense and that his sword is "out of character" yet he knows the name of the sword.
3) He "guesses" Lucario's move name, and yet, knew to use the word Aura.
4) He wishes to remain anonymous, yet says his ranking from the beta.
5) He said there would be 44 characters, and then listed 45.
6) He said there would be a Top 100 within your friends, yet you can only have 64 friends at once.
7) He says Lucario is hard to unlock with 100 trophies, yet says there are 500 total trophies and you get an "insane amount of coins" upon clearing SSE.
8) Serebii has said his information is false.
9) He pretends that he doesn't know who Geno is, yet knows he is from some "obscure Mario game"
10) He makes claims about SSE which would dictate that it is extremely long and has differences every time you play. Highly unlikely.
11) Ridley, who placed extremely highly in the polls, is not in the game AT ALL, yet Sylux is playable.
12) Nintendo "threw away all conservatism" and put in Cecil, Knuckles, and Jajamaru?
13) Not only that, they went through the trouble to obtain these characters, even though they wouldn't please fans nearly as much as many other options, AND one of them is a clone of Ike!
14) Forget that Sakurai said there are no rankings, there are anyways.
15) Out of the confirmed, what, 3,000 Wi-fi connections on Brawl already, he somehow managed to place 17th, yet he has no knowledge of Smash.
16) He threatens to leave and taunts with more information. Not a real leaker, more like an attention *****.
but publicity for lucario comes from whatever movie he was in
deebz435
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Nice post, you just pointed out everything wrong with Nin10dough's claims.
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