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Yeah, wtf? When did Sakurai mention that he wanted to cut Jigglypuff?
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silver777
Smash Champion
People like to make fales statments.
FlipTroopa
Smash Lord
A-HEM!
Right on her Melee profile (Source: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/1225/index.html) Sakurai opens by saying that he was going to leave her out of Melee had he not felt bad for her fans. In other words, she was going to get cut from Melee's roster originally. She was a tossable character.
If I can find more evidence to convince you "anything on the internet is fake, you makin' **** up" people I will find it. But god, it's not that farfetched that, ONOES, they cut the OTHER Pokemon character that isn't Mewtwo.
EDIT: On the post-Melee questionnaire, fifth entry down on this page, Sakurai responds to a Jigglypuff fan by saying (and I'm paraphrasing): "The team's decision to get rid of Jigglypuff during development was eventually overthrown."
silver777
Smash Champion
Oh, my bad then.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
FlipTroopa
Smash Lord
No biggie. You just gave me the necessary kick in the *** to spring forth into action!
Pendragonslayer
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Ah, well if they overthrew the decision to cut her in Melee, and she turned out to be pretty popular, maybe they'll keep her in this time? just speculatin here.
Micheloxx
Smash Ace
Tell Him To Give Som Lugi Informatioooon Xd
RazeveX
Smash Ace
i thought this info was great, since i actually believe it (no one can guess that dragoon part thing)
but not anymore. why?
LUCARIO CANNOT REPLACE MEWTWO. I dont give a flying duck (hehe friendly censor dodge) about lucario, but MEWTWO must stay. mewtwo was the best pokemon ever, and still is, and will never be topped. Didnt you see the movie!?!?!
If Mewtwo is removed, i will be quite angrysized. I mean, i never even mained him, or used him that much, but he has so much cool possibility, and Sakurai has no right to remove him just because he ducked (hehe) him up the first time.
but not anymore. why?
LUCARIO CANNOT REPLACE MEWTWO. I dont give a flying duck (hehe friendly censor dodge) about lucario, but MEWTWO must stay. mewtwo was the best pokemon ever, and still is, and will never be topped. Didnt you see the movie!?!?!
If Mewtwo is removed, i will be quite angrysized. I mean, i never even mained him, or used him that much, but he has so much cool possibility, and Sakurai has no right to remove him just because he ducked (hehe) him up the first time.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
"talk to 6 year olds, lucario is huge"
it doesn't matter. most of Pokemon's fanbase have aged. they know Mewtwo more now. R/B/Y are the most sold right now for a reason. I'm surprised you're actually giving in to kids who can barely read.
it doesn't matter. most of Pokemon's fanbase have aged. they know Mewtwo more now. R/B/Y are the most sold right now for a reason. I'm surprised you're actually giving in to kids who can barely read.
Chepe
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Diamond and Pearl have been doing EXTREMELY well and are in the spotlight right now. Pokemon is still relevant and has moved on. If someone doesnt know a Pokemon because they dont play the games anymore, tough. To expect no latest-gen playable is foolish...
deebz435
Smash Journeyman
Granted D/P is doing very well and many younger gamers have gotten into it, but I doubt that Sakurai would ignore some of the longtime fans of the series. If you take a look at what pokemon are currently playable it's Pikachu and the original starters from the first gen. He also hasn't completely ignored the later gens either because there are many 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen pokemon that are pokeballed. I don't doubt that Lucario could be in this game, but I don't think he has to replace Mewtwo to be in it.
The_Corax_King
Smash Lord
Don't forget that a lot of the fans of the original pokes are still fans today...
The wifi battling community in D/P is largely made up of high school and college age pokemon fans...
The wifi battling community in D/P is largely made up of high school and college age pokemon fans...
InvincibleAgent
Smash Lord
Maybe The prophet just saw Lucario and no Mewtwo, and assumed that Mewtwo was out, so he condensed those two facts into one sentence... Maybe actually Lucario is replacing Jigglypuff. Or maybe they're all in.
deebz435
Smash Journeyman
That's what I was saying. I myself am still a fan, and have been since the days of RBY, and I got into D/P this past year. Also I am currently a college student.
FlipTroopa
Smash Lord
I'm still playing DP competitively and go to college. So it's not like the older fanbase is out of touch with the new gens and needs RBY stuff to feel in-the-know. But, then again, I remember playing Melee with kids and they kept going: "Who's Pichu? I wanna play as Mewtwo, he was rad in the old-school Blue!"
Now for context, the year was 2002 (which makes RBY 5 years old--hardly old-school) and the kids are probably now freshmen in college. So right there you have the opposite example: people who ONLY played RBY and moved on and away from the franchise. Sakurai has a tough decision to make, no doubt. At least as far as the West in concerned. If we traveled to Japan, everybody would know every Pokemon up-to-date. The anime and merchandising are still HUGE over there.
Now for context, the year was 2002 (which makes RBY 5 years old--hardly old-school) and the kids are probably now freshmen in college. So right there you have the opposite example: people who ONLY played RBY and moved on and away from the franchise. Sakurai has a tough decision to make, no doubt. At least as far as the West in concerned. If we traveled to Japan, everybody would know every Pokemon up-to-date. The anime and merchandising are still HUGE over there.
upex
Smash Cadet
I think the fact that he predicted the dragoon corectly with the crosshair and everything is just creepy. I think that most of the characters he predicted have a good chance of making it. I think that Ness may be back becuase he was one of the original 12 and that may have some effect on his fate. I dont think that mewtwo will be replaced by lucario though becuase mewtwo by in large was an orginal charcter just becuase they didnt make him good in melee doesnt mean he should be cut. They can give him some buffs to make him better and they dont have to replace him.
raphtmarqui
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Yeah, the Lucario replacing Mewtwo is what kinda kills it for me.
IntelliHeath1
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interesting informations related to Jigglypuff, but I heard the rumors that Jigglypuff was mistaken confirmed by it's voice actor? so it is possible that Jigglypuff wouldn't be in Brawl? (It would be suck since Puff is my main in Melee.
Gold_Darkness
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I thought she was supposedly confirmed by Snakes voice actor.
Interview is here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vmxj-cly1Dk
Absolutely, but consider the possibility that he got a hold of one very specific and unpredictable fact and tagged a bunch of BS along with it.
I'm with you on that. Ness is popular and Lucas and him are apparently not so similar. Also, since Capt. Falcon hasn't gotten an update yet it is possible that some veterans just get late updates - including Ness.
Absolutely. Kirby was a natural disaster (that is to say he was overpowered as all heck) in 64and a nerfdumpster in Melee. Now he is more powerful (so hopefully he is balanced) and I think Mewtwo only needs some tuning - after all, why scrap an original character just to replace him when you have done so much work on him? This doesn't mean Lucario is out - he is anthropomorphic, popular and a fighting type pokémon. OTOH - SEVEN pokémon (Jiggly, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Lucario, PT's Trio) !? Not a chance.
mine said hes being replaced by luigi
JJJ.Brawler
Smash Ace
Mine said after they replaced Mario with Luigi, Luigi was replaced with Waluigi as an AT and then Mario was back.
omfg,Luigideconfirmed!
I was right about a Waluigi being an AT so I am right about Luigi being ... not ... there.
FrogButler
Smash Journeyman
I could talk for ages on the topic of prophets but I think my segment on this week's SmashDash will be enough to get my point across. 
Black/Light
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. . .WTF is a smashdash?
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
"If someone doesnt know a Pokemon because they dont play the games anymore, tough. To expect no latest-gen playable is foolish..."
but that's the thing. Lucario would be a Pokemon that nobody would recognize "because they don't play the games anymore"
r/b/y is the game EVERY Pokemon fan has played. even ones not fans today.
also, keep in mind that PICHU was the only non-r/b/y Pokemon playable so far.
but that's the thing. Lucario would be a Pokemon that nobody would recognize "because they don't play the games anymore"
r/b/y is the game EVERY Pokemon fan has played. even ones not fans today.
also, keep in mind that PICHU was the only non-r/b/y Pokemon playable so far.
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I guess we should just forget about Krystal too then. After all, anyone who hasn't played a Star Fox game since Star Fox 64 won't know who she is. And the old school fans are the only ones that matter.
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
I wasn't saying that that's the reason Lucario's chances are bad (which they aren't).
I'm saying that the whole "If someone doesnt know a Pokemon because they dont play the games anymore, tough" applies to Lucario before it applies to Mewtwo.
I'm saying that the whole "If someone doesnt know a Pokemon because they dont play the games anymore, tough" applies to Lucario before it applies to Mewtwo.
gigasteve
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Check out the thread: it's a funny recap of the week's updates (not sure about next week's, since there's no updates).
WoapGang
Mighty Soul of Woapgang
*gasp* Where have you BEEN the last 8 weeks? Check the blog once in a while
FrogButler
Smash Journeyman
And you call yourself a Smash Master...tsk-tsk.
Chepe
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I never applied it to Mewtwo in the first place. But, with Pikachu, Jiggs, and Pokemon Trainer, dont you think that classic Pokemon IS being represented a lot more than anything? Of course, and then leaving out any form of playable latest-gen? It would send a message that only R/B/Y are good games, and thats not true...
One 4th gen among a myriad of 1st gens is still mostly catering to old school fans while keeping up-to-date with the series. I dont want to see Mewtwo leave either (he deserved a buff), but it might just be that the team saw PT's implications as too much to have 5 selectable Pokemon characters on the roster and had to cut another Melee Poke. Between Jiggs and Mewtwo, its not hard to see them picking the 2nd most popular Pokemon.
Black/Light
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Ok. . . .I will check oh this "smashdash".
Yes... and again, I don't see the problem with that.
No, it sends the message that the first gen Pokemon are the most iconic and popular to the series for various reasons. It doesn't say anything about the quality of later Pokemon games.
Chepe
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But that would be like sticking to Ness forever, and never getting Ike or Krystal or anyone more recent whose games still sell even though is not as known or revered as the first games... Because you know Star Fox 64 is the only one everyone likes, and FE games are said to be in somewhat of a decline in quality. Sticking to the roots forever is not the way.
Besides, Mario got his FLUDD, Link/Zelda got their TP look, Fox got his Commandish look, Wario was revealed in Warioware getup, we got Lucas and Ike... Pokemon not getting a modern character would be odd...
Besides, Mario got his FLUDD, Link/Zelda got their TP look, Fox got his Commandish look, Wario was revealed in Warioware getup, we got Lucas and Ike... Pokemon not getting a modern character would be odd...
brawlmaniac
Smash Lord
This is some freaky stuff man. How could that person be so accurate....
GhostAnime
Smash Ace
those are updates. not replacements. 'cept Ike.
Of course. By all means, use whichever Pokemon would make a decent PC. But that doesn't mean you have to take away from what's already there. I wouldn't mind seeing Lucario or Blaziken, but at what cost?
SinisterLizard
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You guys are silly...(not the people I quoted necessarily). Sakurai putting in Pokemon Trainer with the three starters from the original Pokemon was a sign. He cares about the original ones more. Sure he's included recent ones as pokeballs...but not as payables yet. I thought that was pretty clear at the time PT was announced.
In any case, Sakurai himself said he didn't care about popularity, but only characters that interested him. How in the world would Lucario be of interest? Especially in comparison to someone like Deoxys. Not that I supported the guy, but he would have been multitudes more original than Lucario.
I remember reading somewhere that Sakurai actually liked Mewtwo, btw. I'm not sure if that holds any ground, but I remember reading it a while back somewhere. Don't quote me on that, but whatever...
One other thing...if this roster "leak" is accurate, it would be ridiculous. Fox, Krystal, Wolf, and Lucario? Yeah, we really need that many canines...how about some different types of characters??
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