Prophet?

[Zero Link]

Last time I believed in something like this, the game turned out to be a big disappointment all because I got my hopes up and expected wayyy too much. But then again, we never know. I'm not going to put my full trust in it but meh, its always nice to dream about it. B)

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Even though Pokemon has a hefty amount without Mewtwo, there's no reason for them to kick him. I don't think "pokemon has too many reps" is a good enough reason to remove a character. Especially one as big as Mewtwo. It's not like there is a limit to the amount of characters they can include. If anything, it would make more sense to simply not add another new pokemon rep. Removing a perfectly original moveset is really ********, I'm sorry. I could only see it making sense if Lucario has some moves that are very similar to Mewtwo's, kind of like what that Nin10dough guy said...Like if he was a perfect replacement move-wise.

And yes, I'd rather see Jiggs leave, but I'd prefer that they all stayed, besides Pichu.

@ Kirby King: Like I said, there is no reason a character should actually be removed unless another character can replace him properly. Though Lucario may be popular enough to be in, there's no reason why this should jeopardize Mewtwo's chances... Honestly, when we look at priority, uniqueness should be just as important as popularity, if not more. Sakurai should be looking at what is fun to play as, and with some buffs Mewtwo could easily be one of the most interesting characters.

I agree with this.

 

[blerb]

I don't mind if Mewtwo has to leave, but the fact that Lucario getting his place is kind of a kick in the crotch. in my opinion, as long as lucario got Mewtwo's moveset (or at least the parts he can have) I would be fine.

 

[Boofer]

Last time I believed in something like this, the game turned out to be a big disappointment all because I got my hopes up and expected wayyy too much. But then again, we never know. I'm not going to put my full trust in it but meh, its always nice to dream about it. B)

What exactly did this prophet say that would give you really high standards? Really, he only revealed a couple newcomers and a bunch of vets.

 

[Rhubarbo]

Jus a random question that popped in my mind, why was Jigs in 64? They had Pokemon like Charizard, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur (look, the only reason Ivysaur is in Brawl is because they want one Pokemon from each evolutionary stage obviously).

Anyways, why replace Mewtwo? Is it that hard to have both of them in Brawl? All you have to do with Mewtwo is copy his Melee moves, buff him, and slightly update his model. This applies to most characters. The only characters that I see being cut from Brawl are clones (that is those that won't get de-cloned) and characters being replaced. So, I see Dr.Mario, Pichu, Roy, Ness and maybe Marth being cut from Brawl. Every other Melee character will get updated and if necessary, decloned.

 

[liwi]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Anyways, why replace Mewtwo? Is it that hard to have both of them in Brawl? All you have to do with Mewtwo is copy his Melee moves, buff him, and slightly update his model. This applies to most characters. The only characters that I see being cut from Brawl are clones (that is those that won't get de-cloned) and characters being replaced. So, I see Dr.Mario, Pichu, Roy, Ness and maybe Marth being cut from Brawl. Every other Melee character will get updated and if necessary, decloned.

I also agree completely with this.

Young Link would probably take on his WW model I think, I'm not sure, he doesn't really bother me that much.

Anyway, I don't see why they would remove Mewtwo, couldn't they just add them both? That would seem the more likely option.

I don't really believe this guy, I think he was just lucky.

 

[MysticKenji]

Jus a random question that popped in my mind, why was Jigs in 64? They had Pokemon like Charizard, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur (look, the only reason Ivysaur is in Brawl is because they want one Pokemon from each evolutionary stage obviously).

Popularity, most likely.
Anyway, I agree with you

Spoiler

(except for the Marth part >_>)

and Boofer

 

[Pluvia's other account]

I don't know to much about Marth to make a decision on that.

I would like him to return, he honestly doesn't bother me.

 

[chaos_zero]

If what I was told is true, then it really sucks that Mewtwo is replaced.

I always liked him. True, I think he was a pretty crappy character in Melee, but that's just because all of his abilities were nerfed. All they would have to do is fiddle with what percentage his attacks did, make his reversal move actually send moves back, and make him a little more fluid and he'd be perfect.

I hope he's still in.

 

[OrlanduEX]

A little about Marth.
Aside from the fact that he was a very popular and widely used character in Melee, Marth is by far the most widely known and popular Fire Emblem protagonist in Japan and in the world. He had his own manga AND anime, and he was for a long time, the only Fire Emblem character to lead in 2 games (Fire Emblem 1 and 3). Ike is the second.
Marth actually got into Melee purely based on his popularity in Japan and actually helped to nationalize the once Japan-only Fire Emblem series with his appearance in Melee.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that such an important and popular character with a completely unique moveset would be replaced.
(Roy is a clone of Marth, not the other way around. Roy was only added to Melee to advertise Fire Emblem 6, which hadn't come out yet when Melee did.)

 

[Dokuro]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

Krystal not playable and Falco not returning? Haha, no.

 

[vesperview]

Who can seriously prove that the first generation Pokemon have lost their popularity to the extent of not deserving a playable spot in the Brawl roster? If that was the case, really, Pokemon Trainer should be Diamond and Pearl inspired with Infernape, Grotle and Piplup as his pokemon and if Mewtwo is being kicked out due to having lost his popularity, then please, remove Jigglypuff too, she has way less merit than Mewtwo and has lost way more popularity than him and Lucario will lose that popularity too if not even faster than Mewtwo, I'm not against Lucario, I have him in my sig, but not over Mewtwo.

 

[M.K]

Who can seriously prove that the first generation Pokemon have lost their popularity to the extent of not deserving a playable spot in the Brawl roster? If that was the case, really, Pokemon Trainer should be Diamond and Pearl inspired with Infernape, Grotle and Piplup as his pokemon and if Mewtwo is being kicked out due to having lost his popularity, then please, remove Jigglypuff too, she has way less merit than Mewtwo and has lost way more popularity than him and Lucario will lose that popularity too if not even faster than Mewtwo, I'm not against Lucario, I have him in my sig, but not over Mewtwo.

Agreed, Jigglypuff doesn't really have any importance anymore. I say this, because in my opinion, they liked the girly persona of a Jigglypuff. Did anyone ever mention that Jigglypuff can be Male now in the games >.<

 

[REDFIELD246]

Agreed, Jigglypuff doesn't really have any importance anymore. I say this, because in my opinion, they liked the girly persona of a Jigglypuff. Did anyone ever mention that Jigglypuff can be Male now in the games >.<

Actually Jigglypuff could be male back in Gold and Silver, which came out a year before Melee, so that's not the reason.

Also, I believe Jigglypuff might be in, simply because of tradition. Of course, this could all change.

 

[Proven]

Two things, which will more or less better explain what I was trying to say before.

1. The merit of Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, and Lucario towards being put into Brawl is a subjective point. Merit can be decided upon any arbitrary reason and therefore, no matter what we come up with or decide upon, it won't change whatever reason the designers come up with to who's in or out.

2. It's said that Sakurai wanted Mewtwo in Smash64, and wanted Jigglypuff out in Melee. However, we don't know at all how he feels about the characters now at this point. This point shouldn't be used anymore simply because it is a point of the past.

 

[vesperview]

The merit of Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, and Lucario towards being put into Brawl is a subjective point. Merit can be decided upon any arbitrary reason and therefore, no matter what we come up with or decide upon, it won't change whatever reason the designers come up with to who's in or out.

By merit, we're talking about their importance to the franchise and Lucario is not more important than Mewtwo.

 

[TheJalapeno]

This new prophet sounds believable enough to me. The nay sayers need to check their bias, hell I'd be pissed if I found Mario is de-confirmed (In some paranormal freaky-deaky universe) and I'd have a hard time stomaching it down

 

[sonic smash down]

yeah but only havein two characters in the star fox series and havin ness return is a little hard to swallow, not to mention him sayin someone else is a fake no thats not the real one. anyways yeah lucario is no where near as important as mewtwo...he was the main evil in the first movie and the most powerful origanal pk (without hackin) in the first game. i doubt that something could replace that

 

[Kirby knight]

By merit, we're talking about their importance to the franchise and Lucario is not more important than Mewtwo.

Who are the most important pokemon of each generation? (Popularity being excluded of course).

Pokemon isn't like any other franchise in SSB. They have 490 some characters. It's obvious they're going to have to have something to judge them by.

Mewtwo is more important the Pikachu, so why wasn't he in SSB instead of him?

-Knight

 

[Proven]

By merit, we're talking about their importance to the franchise and Lucario is not more important than Mewtwo.

You're not getting it. As long as you're using "merit" or something that's related to "merit", in this case, "talking about their importance to the franchise" as a way to figure their "merit" as to who "deserves" to be in Brawl. It's all opinion unless you go out there and take polls and group studies galore, and then decide which is more important to you. In this case, it's which is more important to Nintendo and/or Sakurai, regardless of what your opinion is.

 

[vesperview]

You're not getting it. As long as you're using "merit" or something that's related to "merit", in this case, "talking about their importance to the franchise" as a way to figure their "merit" as to who "deserves" to be in Brawl. It's all opinion unless you go out there and take polls and group studies galore, and then decide which is more important to you. In this case, it's which is more important to Nintendo and/or Sakurai, regardless of what your opinion is.

Oh please, then let's not have any Brawl discussion boards, cause our opinions and posts don't matter at all to Sakurai. [/sarcasm]

By common sense, Mewtwo couldn't be replaced by Lucario, because Mewtwo is more important than Lucario, period, I don't see any reason as to why both of them can't be in and I don't think anyone sees it.

 

[SOJ]

I really hope Mewtwo isn't replaced... And if Mewtwo does make it back, I REALLY REALLY hope he has an alternate costume with his armor from Pokemon the first movie. That would kick so much *** I would orgasm. Multiple times. And I am indeed a male.

 

[cswright]

the new socalled leak linked a few posts back is very intriguing, i think i like it so far but i dont give much weight to anything yet

 

[Kooichi]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

There's a new one each day XD And they all sound the same o.O

Anyways, I don't trust him. Only one I trust right now is Chaoszero because of his Dragoon prediction. He's the only "prophet" that has real proven leaked info backing him up XD If any new prophet contradicts his post, I won't believe them. FOR NOW though. He's the only believable "prophet" so far :o I can't wait till this IKKI guy tells us the roster

 

[Aurora Jenny]

I'm going to have to speak up here. Serebii specifically stated he never said that Lucario was replacing Mewtwo and has been very vague thereafter. Therefore it's my opinion that we're looking at two scenarios here. Mewtwo returns alone, or BOTH of them are getting in.. but not one of the other.

 

[cswright]

I'm going to have to speak up here. Serebii specifically stated he never said that Lucario was replacing Mewtwo and has been very vague thereafter. Therefore it's my opinion that we're looking at two scenarios here. Mewtwo returns alone, or BOTH of them are getting in.. but not one of the other.

hes correct. he didnt state the replacement bit when common sense dictated he should have, he was debunking or altering pokemon statements made by one of the early leaks.

 

[Black/Light]

I'm going to have to speak up here. Serebii specifically stated he never said that Lucario was replacing Mewtwo and has been very vague thereafter. Therefore it's my opinion that we're looking at two scenarios here. Mewtwo returns alone, or BOTH of them are getting in.. but not one of the other.

Heres what I had to say about it. . .

Thats not where it ends. . .

People asked him about the CZ leak when it came out and he said "I can not confirm nor deny anything in this cause IDK everything about the game. . . just a good chunk".

Than the first Nin10do leak came with Lucario info and he than said "Something in this contradicts what my sources told me" (Deconfirming that leak but still didn't deconfirm the other).

He than goes to say after the next Nin10 one that his sources have told him everything about pokemon in brawl and that P&M are not PC. (NOT saying anything about the Lucario one)

And he keeps saying he never said Lucario was replacing Mew2. . . but he never said that he never said Lucario was in and Mew2 was out.

He has said ONE vet pokey is coming back and one NEW pokey is being added (JPuff confirmed by Snake VA). Plus other things I would list but Im busy.

It doesn't take L from Death Note to figure this one out. . .

No one is bothering Serebii, just pointing out many things he said that confirmed this in a slipping manner.

He never said Lucario "replaced" Mew2 cause he didn't replace him. Mew2 looks to just be dropped and Lucario looks to be in. Lucario replaced mew2 about as much as PT replaced Mew2 in such a manner.

 

[Zek]

I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_bros_/b5213/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

This guy is pretty interesting. He certainly knows how to talk up his claims, but he doesn't have anything resembling concrete evidence besides his own word, so it's hard to take it too seriously. We'll just have to wait and see.

I think it's silly to deny a character rumor outright just on the basis of the claims seeming far-fetched though. That's the rationale people used to deny the Melee roster leak, with bizarre crap like Dr. Mario and Pichu being playable, and look how that turned out. We've all somehow convinced ourselves that this time the roster is going to be very logical with no strange or unpopular decisions, but there's no real basis for that and who knows what's really going on in Sakurai's head. Even if clones are gone, this is still the same guy that decided on the Melee roster. I personally wouldn't make Wolf playable, switch around Ness/Lucas' movesets, or exclude Mega Man, but it isn't exactly my call either.

 

[magnumXIII]

I think ness is gonna be in and its kinda obvious since he has been in smash since 64. Also I would like to add that i dont think any character that has been in smash since the beggining are gonna be taken out and I also would like to say that jigglypuff is gonna be the first character you unlock again just like in the last 2 games just to keep that funny tradition.

 

[Coselm]

Originally Posted by liwi View Post
I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_br...6685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_br...3/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

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Well, in my opinion, I don't believe this guy to be real. He talks about how he knows people will flame him and he knows about another false leak.

The reason I find him unbelievable is that if you had a source who was telling you a bunch of stuff about Brawl, why would you read a bunch of forums with supposed information about Brawl?

Just seems fishy to me.

He seems to just be trying to piss people off.

 

[White_Lightning]

This guy is pretty interesting. He certainly knows how to talk up his claims, but he doesn't have anything resembling concrete evidence besides his own word, so it's hard to take it too seriously. We'll just have to wait and see.

I think it's silly to deny a character rumor outright just on the basis of the claims seeming far-fetched though. That's the rationale people used to deny the Melee roster leak, with bizarre crap like Dr. Mario and Pichu being playable, and look how that turned out. We've all somehow convinced ourselves that this time the roster is going to be very logical with no strange or unpopular decisions, but there's no real basis for that and who knows what's really going on in Sakurai's head. Even if clones are gone, this is still the same guy that decided on the Melee roster. I personally wouldn't make Wolf playable, switch around Ness/Lucas' movesets, or exclude Mega Man, but it isn't exactly my call either.

While I don't agree with your last sentence. Everything else you said are my exact thoughts. Lots of people seem to have the feeling that every last heavily-requested character is guaranteed to make the cut. In that case lots of people just might be in for a disappointing surprise when the full roster is revealed and someone really popular like Geno, Olimar, or Krystal doesn't make the cut.

As far as these rumors/prophets go, I don't fully believe any of them. Though I don't rule out the possibility that some of them could be real ( Especially CZ ).

 

[GhostAnime]

Mewtwo is more important the Pikachu, so why wasn't he in SSB instead of him?

a person with your intelligence should already know why. also, Mewtwo isn't more important.

 

[IsmaR]

a person with your intelligence should already know why. also, Mewtwo isn't more important.

Only from opinion.

BTW, Pika is the face of Pokemon, Mewtwo is the bad-*** god of pokemon(blah blah blah Arceus )

 

[GhostAnime]

Pikachu is THE mascot of Pokemon. that's like saying Fox is more important than Mario.

people who didn't even play Pokemon no Pikachu. it's not opinion.

 

[Tony_]

Originally Posted by liwi View Post
I don't know if this has been posted or not, but a new "prophet" seems to have arisen.

http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_br...6685946/p1/?73
http://boards.ign.com/super_smash_br...3/156732626/p1

Basically he says :

Krystal is not playable.
Falco is not playable.
Wolf is playable.
Ness is playable.
Mega Man is not playable.
Bomber Man is not playable.
Nin10dough is a fake.

Whether he's real or not seems a bit iffy. You never know when real info will arise out of the swamp of lies.

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Well, in my opinion, I don't believe this guy to be real. He talks about how he knows people will flame him and he knows about another false leak.

The reason I find him unbelievable is that if you had a source who was telling you a bunch of stuff about Brawl, why would you read a bunch of forums with supposed information about Brawl?

Just seems fishy to me.

He seems to just be trying to piss people off.

Lol.

Until otherwise proven, this is false. Ness won't be back, and there isn't any reason to take out Falco, other than clones.

 

[IsmaR]

Pikachu is THE mascot of Pokemon. that's like saying Fox is more important than Mario.

people who didn't even play Pokemon no Pikachu. it's not opinion.

What did I say?

"BTW, Pika is the face of Pokemon"

I was only trying to say that Mewtwo is not as important as Pika is an opinion..

There is almost no one who knows Pika..
But....is there that many who know Lucario?
Don't get me wrong, I support him, but I'm just saying...

 

[GhostAnime]

and what did I say? Pikachu is also more IMPORTANT and it's not OPINION.

 

[Chepe]

Oh, no one knows whether Ness is back or not. For all we know theres a bunch of Mother 2 elements in the game that just havent been shown on the site or in demos to keep Ness' presence secret. Since ChaosZero said that he is coming back (and so did the less credible NyaseNya), then it is a good possibility.

 

[IsmaR]

and what did I say? Pikachu is also more IMPORTANT and it's not OPINION.

Pika ia more well known, his importance? Not as high, but yes, he is more important.