Prop 8 overturned

[L/A/W]

Excuse me? You just compared homosexual marriage with MURDER? Are you surious

haha he did
people like that make me sick

 

[SkylerOcon]

Does that mean that if murder becomes legal, it's progress? Why suddenly change something that has been the protected for thousands of years?

There's a difference between a relationship and murder - marriage takes consent between two adults to take place. People don't consent to murder.

Also, it's pretty cute how you say that marriage has been protected for thousands of years. Homosexuality was and is practiced by many cultures, including the Greeks, Romans, and some African civilizations up until 300 years ago. This was common among Aztec, Mayans, and other native american civilization until Spanish conquistadors came and were (of course) shocked to see it take place and attempted to destroy the practice. Buddhist Monks and Samurai also practiced homosexuality as part of their sexual traditions.

Not even going to bother with citing sources because finding this information takes a five minute google search.

Also, to everybody saying that being gay is unnatural?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate#Male_sexual_response

Yeah, no.

 

[soju]

I clicked the link and was like kgnsjcmclsb its a penor!

Well to add to skylers speech about civilizations and homosexuality. In native american culture, if a man was homosexual they would be considered superior since they were both a hunter/fighter and a caregiver as well. This happened until basically the white man came in and kicked them all out of there homes like the big bad americans they are. So if you want to get technical with it, americans are the unnatural ones since we went into someone elses land, kicked them out because they weren't civilized and now are parading around with so much Ameri"can" pride.

 

[[TSON]]

oh great, another thread to frequent so i can ALLCAPS hardcore christians and use their bible against them

 

[soju]

>3> but my name is christian...TT-TT

 

[Shadic]

What the ****?!
I really liked that bill god****it...

..And this is a mod? Wow. Poor SWF.

Marriage was set in stone as a male and female joined in holy matrimony for hundreds of years. Why has it changed?
I wish this wasn't overturned -___-

lawl. Marriage was two families joining to combine wealth, determined by the parents for thousands of years!! I miss those days where women were bartered off!
Also, I'm surprised you have a problem with this appeal, since, you know, Twilight is gay.

Does that mean that if murder becomes legal, it's progress? Why suddenly change something that has been the protected for thousands of years?

And even if people think "lolgaysex is gross," your right to not be offended ends where another's right to be themselves begins. Just like a person's right to be themselves ends where somebody else is harmed begins.

The United States is a free country. The right to be offended is part of it, get over it. There's no legality to a ban against same-sex marriage.

 

[OFY]

Might as well lock this thread, they're going to infract you for opposing their views

 

[soju]

Meh it was inevitable, i wonder which mod will get to it first.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

I don't think Teran was serious.

 

[Zolga Owns]

I don't think Teran was serious.

Teran is homosexual. He's being sarcastic.

 

[Zook]

..And this is a mod? Wow. Poor SWF.

Teran is a gay man.

...Sounds like it could be the name of a ****ty movie.

 

[Geist]

It's common knowledge that gay men have bigger *****.

 

[Zook]

^^ It's true, things grow better in fertilizer.

 

[Tom]

Stay on topic or it will be closed.

 

[CRASHiC]

In the movie In Bruges, a ****** hyped up on meth says there will be a war "between all the black ******* and white ******* and he didn't even want the Vietnamese on his side." One of the main characters responded "My wife was black, and was murdered by a white man, and was aveneged by my white friend, so where does that leave me in all of this?"

Well, this brings up an interesting point here. When we begin to classify homosexual marriages, what do we do about transexual relationships? These are people with the sexuality identity of the opposite of their birth gender. The situation becomes of even grater confusion once the sex change surgery has been completed. So, if I date a man to woman transsexual, what am I? Does this make me a homosexual man? These seemingly simple classifications begin to fall apart when you consider these things. Consider in Tibet, a country known for its sexual tolerency, that over 1 percent of the entire population is transexual, a huge number compared to the rest of the world. How do we address their legality issues, and where does the line between banned homosexuality and permitted heterosexuality begin?

 

[El Nino]

Why suddenly change something that has been the protected for thousands of years?

"Protected"? Oh yeah that's right. Same-sex marriage cancels out straight marriages, like when you multiple two negative numbers and end up with a positive.

We're not sure how it works, but theoretically what happens is every time a gay or lesbian couple get married there's a rupture in the space time continuum that rips apart any heterosexual union within a 10 mile radius.

It also causes spontaneous combustion in those who witness said marriage.

When we begin to classify homosexual marriages, what do we do about transexual relationships?

That depends on the laws in your state or country. In some regions, post-op transgendered people can have their IDs changed to show the gender they are living as. They would then be covered under heterosexual marriage if they marry someone of the opposite gender (opposite to what they're currently living as). If they marry someone of the same gender, they would need to be in a place that recognizes same-sex marriage. Of course, if they don't get their gender changed legally, it's possible to marry someone of the same-sex and be covered under heterosexual marriage.

Yes, that's complicated. But it varies greatly by location. A lot of transpeople have difficulty traveling internationally if their passports or IDs show their biological sex. In terms of marriage, it all depends on what legal documentation you have showing your gender.

The trans issue is something that also needs to be figured out, but we're still too busy stuck on the homosexual side of things.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

K so I just want everyone opposing gay marriage to think of it this way: if you were in a position where people weren't allowing you to marry the people you love, with elitist, closed minded people telling you what you should and should not do, how would you feel?

 

[Teran]

Actually I genuinely liked Prop 8.

It meant I could laugh at Americans boys not being able to marry while I could. Oh well it doesn't matter because I never want to get married anyway.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Are you still engaged?

 

[El Nino]

We'll see what you say when you're 30, Teran.

 

[CRASHiC]

Man, I ain't never growing old.

 

[Teran]

Are you still engaged?

Absolutely, I'm just avoiding the subject because I don't want to appear as a soft sap.

We'll see what you say when you're 30, Teran.

My tombstone will speak for me.

I'm wondering though, why do so many people see marriage as a sacred religious union? It isn't. It's a civil matter, if you want a union of spirit go to a ****ing church. Now marriage is strictly legal bidniss, so I'd love it if people stopped herpderping about the sacred union of marriage.

Not applicable.

 

[Tom]

You're engaged?

 

[Teran]

You're engaged?

Nah not really it's a SWF inside joke.

I'm too young to be tied down.

 

[Strong Badam]

Might as well lock this thread, they're going to infract you for opposing their views

It isn't our fault your opinion stomps all over the rights of people. Your "opinion" cannot be expressed without pretty much saying "**** you" to all gay people in the world. That is why, not because you oppose our views.

Marriage in and of itself is a stupid concept, and the fact that a married couple is treated differently by the law than an unmarried couple is almost more of an atrocity than the ban on gay marriage.

 

[M.K]

Ugh.
I can't even talk to my mom about this kind of thing. She keeps bringing up the point that she doesn't like it because married people can get benefits (or soemthing? I clearly don't understand the situation she's describing) if one of the partners works.
Also, she was like "If it's a man and a man, what's keeping it from being 3 men, or two men and a goat?" and I'm just like "T_T"
My mom is very old-fashion. =/

 

[victra♥]

To anyone saying being gay is a choice: find a picture of someone of your sex and force yourself to be attracted to them. I'll be intrigued if any of you can lie about that.

This is the same kind of example I like to use.

=3= i think id go gay for taeyang after prolonged exposure to him Lol

me too bro

Might as well lock this thread, they're going to infract you for opposing their views

Strong Bad said it best. People can have whatever kind of views they like, but often times they forget about how offensive their views can be to some people.

Comparing homosexuality with murder for one thing...is just...:/

 

[cutter]

Ugh.
I can't even talk to my mom about this kind of thing. She keeps bringing up the point that she doesn't like it because married people can get benefits (or soemthing? I clearly don't understand the situation she's describing) if one of the partners works.
Also, she was like "If it's a man and a man, what's keeping it from being 3 men, or two men and a goat?" and I'm just like "T_T"
My mom is very old-fashion. =/

Ah yes, another thing I don't understand about conservatives -- constant slippery slope abuse.

Seriously though, I can TOTALLY sympathize with what you're going through; I went through the exact same **** with my dad. He brought up roughly the same arguments with me about how homosexuality would theoretically devolve into different types of relationships that would be get progressively worse, therefore homosexuality should not be legalized.

When I would say "Dad, slippery slope fallacy," he would reply with something along the lines of "What kind of liberal brainwash are they teaching you?"

 

[Evil Eye]

Ugh.
I can't even talk to my mom about this kind of thing. She keeps bringing up the point that she doesn't like it because married people can get benefits (or soemthing? I clearly don't understand the situation she's describing) if one of the partners works.
Also, she was like "If it's a man and a man, what's keeping it from being 3 men, or two men and a goat?" and I'm just like "T_T"
My mom is very old-fashion. =/

Is your mother UberMario by any chance?


Speaking of UberMario he has drawn my wrath. I need some time to meditate and prepare my wrath.

 

[Tom]

If he does not differentiate between homosexuality and other kinds of non-hetero, non-monogamous relationships, then it is understandable that he would revert to the slippery slope; if he cannot differentiate between them, or cannot find any sort of measurement of discrepancy, then they are all the same to him, and he will worry about the domino effect. Instead, you should see if you can get him to recognize the measurable (possibly legal definitions) differences between homosexuality and what he fears it would lead to (transsexual relationships, polygamous relationships... I have even heard people try to argue that bestiality is at the bottom of the slope), then you could force him to recognize that there is middle-ground that make the slippery slope argument a fallacy.

^^^this was towards cutter before I was ninja'd by EE's completely off-topic threats against UberMario's sanity and well-being (run, Ubermario, run).

 

[Crimson King]

Nah not really it's a SWF inside joke.

I'm too young to be tied down.

If we legalize gay marriage, at any age you could be tied down, in a gay way!

 

[Kofu]

I agree with almost everything UberMario has said, though my reason for agreeing with Proposition 8 lies with the fact that I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman, nothing more.

I have several homosexual relatives, and they're great people. However, I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle (one of them has a living partner of sorts).

I agree that homosexuality is largely genetic, but I believe that personal choice can also determine whether or not you're homosexual, or more precisely, to what sort of person one may be attracted. In the same vein, it's also possible not to act on a physical attraction, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual (or any other orientation).

Though I don't agree with homosexuality, I generally don't want to limit the options in life of someone who is; only when an option would infringe on a God-set law would I want to dampen the happiness of another.

I'm sad that Proposition 8 was repealed, but I'm not surprised.

 

[SuperBowser]

The problem is that was all proposition 8 was based on.

It isn't good to make laws that merely follow a religious text without any logical reasoning supplied. That's not what america is about.

 

[Shadic]

Though I don't agree with homosexuality, I generally don't want to limit the options in life of someone who is; only when an option would infringe on a God-set law would I want to dampen the happiness of another.

America is a secular nation by definition.

And I sure hope you don't eat shellfish.

 

[Pink Reaper]

To anyone saying being gay is a choice: find a picture of someone of your sex and force yourself to be attracted to them. I'll be intrigued if any of you can lie about that.

I would hit it.

 

[Glöwworm]

I agree with almost everything UberMario has said, though my reason for agreeing with Proposition 8 lies with the fact that I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman, nothing more.

I have several homosexual relatives, and they're great people. However, I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle (one of them has a living partner of sorts).

I agree that homosexuality is largely genetic, but I believe that personal choice can also determine whether or not you're homosexual, or more precisely, to what sort of person one may be attracted. In the same vein, it's also possible not to act on a physical attraction, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual (or any other orientation).

Though I don't agree with homosexuality, I generally don't want to limit the options in life of someone who is; only when an option would infringe on a God-set law would I want to dampen the happiness of another.

I'm sad that Proposition 8 was repealed, but I'm not surprised.

I saw this on Family Guy but there was episode where (forgot how that dog was relatated to Brian) this dog wanted to get married and Brian wanted the wedding to be held at the Griffin's house. Lois was okay with gay people but disliked the fact that they wanted to get married because she saw it wrong and that marriage is between a man and a woman. She later realized that two people can absolutely hate each other and can still get married so why can't a gay couple who are in love get married too?

tl;dr
gay people should have the right to marry. i'm glad this was repealed.

Oh, and Ubermario makes me sad I know it's a bad thing of me to say but it really sickens me (should I say depresses me?) when people can be closed-minded about things like this. Mostly due to my parents being incredibly closed-minded and religious. I just can't fathom the idea that people see gay people wrong and that them getting married is even more wrong.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Might as well lock this thread, they're going to infract you for opposing their views

I infracted you for a signature violation dude, not because you disagreed with me. I wouldn't do that haha.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I agree with almost everything UberMario has said, though my reason for agreeing with Proposition 8 lies with the fact that I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman, nothing more.

Why?

I have several homosexual relatives, and they're great people. However, I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle (one of them has a living partner of sorts).

Being gay is not a choice. How is them living with a partner any different from you living with a girlfriend?

I agree that homosexuality is largely genetic, but I believe that personal choice can also determine whether or not you're homosexual, or more precisely, to what sort of person one may be attracted. In the same vein, it's also possible not to act on a physical attraction, whether it be heterosexual or homosexual (or any other orientation).

This is true for heterosexuals also. You can decide what type of person you are attracted to.

Though I don't agree with homosexuality, I generally don't want to limit the options in life of someone who is; only when an option would infringe on a God-set law would I want to dampen the happiness of another.

God doesn't determine the laws of this country.

All in all I want you people to see that homosexuals really aren't much different from anyone else. If you were being told you couldn't marry someone you love, how would you feel? If the government finally allowed it but people still thought it shouldn't happen, despite the fact that it in no way whatsoever affects them, how would you feel?

 

[GoldShadow]

Speaking of UberMario he has drawn my wrath. I need some time to meditate and prepare my wrath.

Uh oh. EE's wrath is not something I'd like to draw, partly because I'm not a great artist. Either way, UberMario's done for.

If we legalize gay marriage, at any age you could be tied down, in a gay way!

+rep CK


I think that, ultimately, this thread proves yet again that there are uninformed, intolerant, and pseudo-brainwashed twelve year olds on the internet.

 

[UberMario]

Oh, and Ubermario makes me sad I know it's a bad thing of me to say but it really sickens me (should I say depresses me?) when people can be closed-minded about things like this.

The irony here is both sides on the subject have been pretty much close-minded [including myself] about this subject. We're nearly 200 posts in, can you name 5 posts that say that both sides are right in this thread?

I think that, ultimately, this thread proves yet again that there are uninformed, intolerant, and pseudo-brainwashed twelve year olds on the internet.

Now that is just cold.

I don't call people immature if they do not agree with me . . . . . .