Prop 8 overturned

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

The fact that love is the driving force behind most marriages in this country makes it pretty **** valid in my opinion.

 

[OFY]

Just curious here... what is so ridculous about the love argument?

Because it can be applied to more then just humans, and if this gay marriage starts to make an example of how traditional marriage can be not traditional, marriage will lose it's validity.

More people will start to push for marriages that are not so traditional, and in time marriage will lose it's meaning.

 

[Namaste]

I would hit it.

That's not a person of your sex. That's a picture

 

[Luigitoilet]

That's not a person of your sex. That's a picture

And personally I'm not sexually attracted to creatures with microscopic mouths and eyes that take up 70% of their face.

 

[Kofu]

Sure. I agree with you that you should care what other people do if it affects others in adverse ways. But gay marriage does not affect you in any adverse way...

Allowing homosexuals to marry as a couple would do two things that I disagree with:
1. It would degenerate the concept of marriage
2. It would imply that homosexual relations are gaining social acceptance and are becoming a norm.

I still do not understand your "it would appear to be that you are fine with murder," concept.

No because murders makes me feel threatened that I can be murdered. How does gay marriage affect your life personally?

It causes certain ceremonies and norms that are dear to my heart to be tainted and ruined.

To fully explain my position would require a lengthy religious diatribe, and that's not exactly something I want to do, particularly not now and DEFINITELY not in this thread.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Allowing homosexuals to marry as a couple would do two things that I disagree with:
1. It would degenerate the concept of marriage
2. It would imply that homosexual relations are gaining social acceptance and are becoming a norm.


It causes certain ceremonies and norms that are dear to my heart to be tainted and ruined.

To fully explain my position would require a lengthy religious diatribe, and that's not exactly something I want to do, particularly not now and DEFINITELY not in this thread.

That's all fine and good but there is a seperation between church and state for precisely this reason. Laws created from personal bias and hatred is completely unacceptable.

 

[Kofu]

It's acting on the homosexual feelings that I have a problem with, by the way. I have nothing against them as people.

Let's talk about historical homosexual marriages then. When have they happened?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Like since 1998 in Holland and no one gave a ****. Marriage is still exactly the same it was before.

 

[Kofu]

To me, that's not historical, though it seems I was wrong about it not happening earlier than that (though given that one of them was Rome, I'm not surprised).

I suppose I'll leave the thread now; I'm not really sure why people can't voice opinions without getting bashed. Sad, really.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Because it can be applied to more then just humans, and if this gay marriage starts to make an example of how traditional marriage can be not traditional, marriage will lose it's validity.

More people will start to push for marriages that are not so traditional, and in time marriage will lose it's meaning.

Marriage has already had any sense of meaning stripped away from it by the government. It's not an institution of religion, any traditional and sentimental reason for marriage is far outweighed by the legal benefits, and denying gays the same legal rights as everybody else is unconstitutional.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

Marriage won't lose it's meaning - the only difference will be that a man and a woman could marry. Don't bring up something silly like inter-species marriage, or marrying a small child, because that wouldn't work - marriage takes place between two consenting adults, and if those two happen to be of the same sex, so be it! They shouldn't be denied the legal benefits of marriage, and they shouldn't be given some bull**** separate-but-equal title.

 

[L/A/W]

Kofu, you're an idiot
what has a gay person ever done to you?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Hey I know let's bring an argument into the thread and then play victim when people outnumber me in discussion.

 

[Kofu]

Kofu, you're an idiot
what has a gay person ever done to you?

Denied me cousins?

In all seriousness though, I just don't agree with homosexual relations. That's all there is to it.
Good day.

 

[L/A/W]

gay uncle?
how does he feel about your beliefs?
what instilled these beliefs in you?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Kofu, how would you feel if you lived in a "free country" and people were telling you who you could or could not marry and being intolerant of your lifestyle based on things out of your control?

 

[Jim Morrison]

I think we should lock up all religious people because they threaten my lifestyle by wanting to enforce rules on me.
OH WOW I NOW FEEL THE POWER AND HOW EASY IT IS.

 

[OFY]

Marriage has already had any sense of meaning stripped away from it by the government. It's not an institution of religion, any traditional and sentimental reason for marriage is far outweighed by the legal benefits, and denying gays the same legal rights as everybody else is unconstitutional.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm

Marriage won't lose it's meaning - the only difference will be that a man and a woman could marry. Don't bring up something silly like inter-species marriage, or marrying a small child, because that wouldn't work - marriage takes place between two consenting adults, and if those two happen to be of the same sex, so be it! They shouldn't be denied the legal benefits of marriage, and they shouldn't be given some bull**** separate-but-equal title.

Why wouldn't inter-species marriage not work, what if I love my dog? Why wouldn't any kind of marriage not work?

Hypothetically, wouldn't my feelings not be valid just like 2 gay people are towards each other?

While I may think this is obviously dumb, other people in the US might not. Many other arguments like this will arise because of gay marriage, because "Hey if marriage was questioned and changed after being exclusive between a male and female for the last couple of centuries, why can't it be questioned again?"

Also where does Gay Divorce fall into this? What are the legal ramifications for this? In terms of children, financial, and property? They obviously wouldn't be the same as a male-female marriage.

tbqh, the negatives of gay marriage imo outweigh the positives. Not to mention that there is absouletely no procreation in a gay marriage, unless you count a surrogate.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

@Interspecies marriage: You may love your dog but does your dog love you? There's no way of knowing. Gay marriage and interpecies marriage are completely separate.

 

[UberMario]

how does he feel about your beliefs?
what instilled these beliefs in you?

Keep this in mind: if your parents were gay you wouldn't exist. I can name other non-religious reasons, but can you argue against this in particular?

@Interspecies marriage: You may love your dog but does your dog love you?

Depends on whether you count when they're in heat.

 

[OFY]

@Interspecies marriage: You may love your dog but does your dog love you? There's no way of knowing. Gay marriage and interpecies marriage are completely separate.

So signing a piece of paper with your name on it validates your love for one another?

But wait since when are marriages allowed because of love? It's all just assumed...

 

[L/A/W]

Keep this in mind: if your parents were gay you wouldn't exist. I can name other non-religious reasons, but can you argue against this in particular?

edit: nevermind i have to go but i'll respond to stuff later

 

[Jim Morrison]

Also where does Gay Divorce fall into this? What are the legal ramifications for this? In terms of children, financial, and property? They obviously wouldn't be the same as a male-female marriage.

Obviously, some gays do have children, and most gays acutally do have finances and property *gasp*

 

[OFY]

Obviously, some gays do have children, and most gays acutally do have finances and property *gasp*

Yeah exactly, so what happens in a divorce? What if a gay couple adopts the children, where does that child go in a divorce? What about finances and property, how are they determined in a divorce?

Child custody is determined on best interest for the child, in a male-female divorce, that person is usually the mother, hence why I live only with my mother.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

So signing a piece of paper with your name on it validates your love for one another?

But wait since when are marriages allowed because of love? It's all just assumed...

A dog cannot consent to marriage, that's what I'm trying to say.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Why wouldn't inter-species marriage not work, what if I love my dog? Why wouldn't any kind of marriage not work?

Hypothetically, wouldn't my feelings not be valid just like 2 gay people are towards each other?

While I may think this is obviously dumb, other people in the US might not. Many other arguments like this will arise because of gay marriage, because "Hey if marriage was questioned and changed after being exclusive between a male and female for the last couple of centuries, why can't it be questioned again?"

Because your dog doesn't have the intelligence to consent to marrying you - that's the difference. Sex comes along with marriage, and having sex with animals is considered animal abuse, which is illegal.

Also where does Gay Divorce fall into this? What are the legal ramifications for this? In terms of children, financial, and property? They obviously wouldn't be the same as a male-female marriage.

Uh, what? Why wouldn't it be the same?

tbqh, the negatives of gay marriage imo outweigh the positives. Not to mention that there is absouletely no procreation in a gay marriage, unless you count a surrogate.

What does procreation have to do with anything? Straight people still far outnumber gay people - and even if the day does come where the majority of the world is gay, people could still have babies. The current mating rituals we have would change, to ensure the survival of our species.

 

[OFY]

Because your dog doesn't have the intelligence to consent to marrying you - that's the difference. Sex comes along with marriage, and having sex with animals is considered animal abuse, which is illegal.

Obviously the dog or any other animal can't consent, but the fact is that people will see gay marriage as a way of pushing towards other types of marriages since a traditional MALE-FEMALE marriage has been overturned/question after a hundreds of years of being the same. While I'm not smart enough on the subject of other types of marriages like inter-species/objects I could see other people bringing up arguments for this. What would happen if it did succeed and we were to marry anything? It would destroy the concept of marriage.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200905120006

^Just a link to show im not the only person who feels that this might happen.


Uh, what? Why wouldn't it be the same?

Because child custody is determined for the best interest of the child. In many Straight marriage/divorce cases that person is usually the mother. How would this be determined in a Gay marriage/divorce? That's probably the biggest concern I see in a Gay Divorce. There is still finances and property to be determined.


What does procreation have to do with anything? Straight people still far outnumber gay people - and even if the day does come where the majority of the world is gay, people could still have babies. The current mating rituals we have would change, to ensure the survival of our species.

Marriage is usually a community benefit, it benefits the community/world. Sure you can say "I DONT CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE WORLD OR COMMUNITY" still, gay marriages offer no benefit to the community.

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[Glöwworm]

gay marriage is only taboo to people like you

 

[OFY]

gay marriage is only taboo to people like you

I actually edited that part. But what do you mean to people like me?

What are you classifying me as bro?

 

[Jim Morrison]

We should compare homosexuals to dogs.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Obviously the dog or any other animal can't consent, but the fact is that people will see gay marriage as a way of pushing towards other types of marriages since a traditional MALE-FEMALE marriage has been overturned/question after a hundreds of years of being the same. While I'm not smart enough on the subject of other types of marriages like inter-species/objects I could see other people bringing up arguments for this. What would happen if it did succeed and we were to marry anything? It would destroy the concept of marriage.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200905120006

^Just a link to show im not the only person who feels that this might happen.

Objects and animals can't consent. Humans can. If you can't see how that makes the situations inherently different, I don't know what to say. Also, please never use Bill O'Reilly as a form of validation, ever.

Because child custody is determined for the best interest of the child. In many Straight marriage/divorce cases that person is usually the mother. How would this be determined in a Gay marriage/divorce? That's probably the biggest concern I see in a Gay Divorce. There is still finances and property to be determined.

I don't think you quite understand how it works. A full investigation is put into place to determine which parent is best for the child. Incidentally, this is usually the mother, but the father is found better suited to take care of the kids sometimes too. Just like in straight marriages, they would investigate to find out which partner is better for taking care of the kids.

Marriage is usually a community benefit, it benefits the community/world. Sure you can say "I DONT CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE WORLD OR COMMUNITY" still, gay marriages offer no benefit to the community.

Marriage hasn't been for community benefit in years. These days it's primarily about love and secondarily about legal benefits. Not many people look at anything else when it comes to marriage.

And in the future, please take the time to respond outside of the quote. It's irritating to have to go back and delete blocks of text/put quote blocks around other things.

 

[[TSON]]

protip. homophobia comes from religion. america has freedom of religion. why should all of america be forced to follow a specific religion's rules then?

"do not lay with a man, for it be an abomination apon you" is what it says. it is not invalidating anything, it is not promising punishment. it is saying that those who do will be pitied.

and for the record, the bible also says that if a wife is widowed, then she must have sex with all of her dead husband's brothers in order of age until she has a baby. do we follow that? no.

for those who arent about the bible, know that marriage is about love and wanting to spend your life with a significant other. it is not about reproduction, because as you can see, lots of people are married without having children. that's not illegal. beastiality is illegal because there is no way for the animal to give or deny consent, so it could be ****.

all in all, you, and the government should not have the ability to deny two people the same rights as two other people because they were born a certain way. why don't we deny autistic people from going to hospitals too? for ****s and giggles obviously. if homosexuality was a choice then this would be a totally different situation. but anyone who denies gay people the rights that other people have deserves to be treated like a monster, because that's what you are.

 

[OFY]

I don't know how you can possibly say that being "gay" is a genetic trait. There's no proof of it being genetic. However, being gay has a higher possibility of being a reflection of choices made in life, as well as the results of those choice. I know countless of men who are now gay because of how badly they were hurt in a past male-female relationship.

Btw, I never seen someone walk into a nursery and identifiy their baby as gay -____-

 

[Crimson King]

Ophy's argumemts are so ridiculous, that I really hope his future children aren't gay because he'd destroy their lives.

It's stupid to compare anything other than same-sex versus heterosexual because any slippery slope arguments fail. Gay marriage is legal in plenty countries without any issues presented. Also, degraded marriage implies it was a solid thing, where biblical times saw 12-16 year-olds marry 30 year-olds.

 

[[TSON]]

i know first hand. it is not a choice. if your friend switched then hes either bisexual or posing

 

[OFY]

i know first hand. it is not a choice. if your friend switched then hes either bisexual or posing

You know first hand?

Educate me

@Crimson, that was pretty mean But if my children do "turn" out gay because of their choices, I won't support that, I will still love my children however. Will I attend their wedding if gay marriage is legal in my state? No....

Also Crimson, I'm not comparing same-sex marriage with other marriages. I'm just saying that allowing same-sex marriage will give others incentive to bring up arguments for other marriages, which devalues the meaning of marriage even more so than same-sex marriage

 

[Teran]

Since when did we listen to people whose state could be destroyed with a kindle and a bag of grit salt?

 

[[TSON]]

everyone who is knows that it's beyond their control... why would they purposely endure the ridicule and shunning if they could just change on a whim? use your head.

 

[Glöwworm]

You know first hand?

Educate me

@Crimson, that was pretty mean But if my children do "turn" out gay because of their choices, I won't support that, I will still love my children however. Will I attend their wedding if gay marriage is legal in my state? No....

Also Crimson, I'm not comparing same-sex marriage with other marriages. I'm just saying that allowing same-sex marriage will give others incentive to bring up arguments for other marriages, which devalues the meaning of marriage even more so than same-sex marriage

Have you heard of the guy in Korea who married his pillow?

 

[OFY]

Have you heard of the guy in Korea who married his pillow?

http://cnn.staging.perfectmarket.co...pan.virtual.wedding_1_virtual-world-sal-marry

 

[Glöwworm]

http://cnn.staging.perfectmarket.co...pan.virtual.wedding_1_virtual-world-sal-marry

that's awesome