Project M Social Thread

[ETWIST51294]

moonwalking was never hard.

It was way harder than it is here. Multi moonwalks are even easymode in PM.

 

[GPDP]

Who cares. It's not as if moonwalking is even super useful or crucial like L-canceling.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Just map moonwalking to select, now it's harder.

 

[Strong Badam]

I don't find it difficult in either game, so *shrug*. I can ask Magus about it.
EDIT: Magus says....

moonwalks are easier because you have less momentum forward from a quick dash
if you press forward 1 frame in each game you go further in melee
you brake faster in PM or something

 

[Zef]

I can moonwalk x20 easier in P:M rather than melee, and I main falcon

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I don't find it difficult in either game, so *shrug*. I can ask Magus about it.

Really? You're going to see about making something which doesn't really matter harder?

Wow, that's just silly.

 

[Strong Badam]

LMAO
there's no way we can satisfy everyone

 

[GPDP]

I don't find it difficult in either game, so *shrug*. I can ask Magus about it.
EDIT: Magus says....

moonwalks are easier because you have less momentum forward from a quick dash
if you press forward 1 frame in each game you go further in melee
you brake faster in PM or something

So let me get this straight.

Moonwalking is easier in PM due to braking faster, but ultimately it has more potential in Melee due to greater quick dash momentum?

Are these in any way correlated? Like, does the ability to brake faster mean less momentum? Could we get the greater momentum along with the fast braking?

 

[Xebenkeck]

The PMBR just won the world. Congradulations you guys are now kings.

 

[Soldner Kei]

Regarding link's zair, we have not been able to find a way to make the chain go a further distance

it's cool just the way it is now, just think about a zair that long and Link will be like "LOL come and get me"... and the Idea of adding more frames to zair landing animation to compensate would be pretty bad just for a longer chain, IMO of course

 

[mugwhump]

Whaaaaat? There's no ledge-teching? I was practicing it with mines on Hyrule Temple's walls/ceilings and it seemed to work fine with SDI...

also, good work with the patch.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I don't find it difficult in either game, so *shrug*. I can ask Magus about it.

I actually have a harder time doing it in PM because they're so easy to me in melee. But I think I just need to find the timing, I just really don't care enough to do so.

And I have the best multi moonwalks in this thread.


lol

 

[Krautrock]

Awesome news about DI.

Are you planning to restore Sheik's needles to their Melee potency? Obviously stopping Samus' charge shot is a little bizarre, but they should still retain their utility in edgeguarding, especially considering the stated goal of no nerfs. The d-throw CG was one thing, but the needles were fine. I assume they're only worse because you haven't been able to modify them?

 

[ValTroX]

if you live close to a PMBR member, you could play with them. Also, bring your friend with you, that way he could use samus. lol

Sadly, no testers close to me, hell I don't think there's a testers on the island :/

 

[Rikana]

Awesome news about DI.

Are you planning to restore Sheik's needles to their Melee potency? Obviously stopping Samus' charge shot is a little bizarre, but they should still retain their utility in edgeguarding, especially considering the stated goal of no nerfs. The d-throw CG was one thing, but the needles were fine. I assume they're only worse because you haven't been able to modify them?

There is no priority code. Melee priority works differently than Brawl's. I believe Brawl's is whoever's hitbox overrides will take "priority" or something like that. Whatever it is, Brawl works differently.

 

[ETWIST51294]

There is no priority code. Melee priority works differently than Brawl's. I believe Brawl's is whoever's hitbox overrides will take "priority" or something like that. Whatever it is, Brawl works differently.

So that means falcons nair will never have good priority again? That SUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

 

[Rikana]

Don't take my word for it. I'm unsure of what I said but I remember someone mentioning something like that.

 

[Revven]

There is no singular way to define priority, in fact priority means so many things these days it's not even worth really using it as a term to describe one hitbox beating another because it's not a singular value we can control.

The only thing that could be constituted as "priority" in PSA is the difference between whether a hitbox clanks or not otherwise known as laser priority (you all know it as transcendant priority) versus normal priority which is determined through hitbox flags.. Otherwise, it's whichever hitbox comes out first. IIRC, Samus' charge shot has "laser" priority, which allows it to beat everything similarly to Falco's lasers or MK's attacks in Brawl.

So unless you want Sheik's needles to be like lasers... then you know where I'm going with this.

 

[Rikana]

I think etwist wants Falcon with nair laser priority.






As do I.

Spoiler

MK attacks had laser priority? Sakurai is a douche.

 

[ETWIST51294]

That would be sooooo great.

 

[Rikana]

lol falcon nair going on par with falco lasers.

 

[mugwhump]

Yeah falcon's nair should get laser priority.

And by that I mean his feet should shoot lasers.

 

[jalued]

There is no singular way to define priority, in fact priority means so many things these days it's not even worth really using it as a term to describe one hitbox beating another because it's not a singular value we can control.

The only thing that could be constituted as "priority" in PSA is the difference between whether a hitbox clanks or not otherwise known as laser priority (you all know it as transcendant priority) versus normal priority which is determined through hitbox flags.. Otherwise, it's whichever hitbox comes out first. IIRC, Samus' charge shot has "laser" priority, which allows it to beat everything similarly to Falco's lasers or MK's attacks in Brawl.

So unless you want Sheik's needles to be like lasers... then you know where I'm going with this.

is it possible to make every second one laser priority? so one wont be enough, but a slight charge will? (since they are released in a clump)

 

[Pen_island]

is the way priority is determined different between brawl and melee

 

[Vigilante]

errr...Vigilante has your av always had falco's face in it? O_o

And to go back on topic, I think tethers are impossible. I'd rather see some clone engine action going on. :D

Nah the change is recent. In the chat, standardtoaster one told me that my avatar made him think I was a Link main at first, so I changed my avatar as a joke to put Falco.

 

[MonkUnit]

is the way priority is determined different between brawl and melee

There is no singular way to define priority, in fact priority means so many things these days it's not even worth really using it as a term to describe one hitbox beating another because it's not a singular value we can control.

The only thing that could be constituted as "priority" in PSA is the difference between whether a hitbox clanks or not otherwise known as laser priority (you all know it as transcendant priority) versus normal priority which is determined through hitbox flags.. Otherwise, it's whichever hitbox comes out first. IIRC, Samus' charge shot has "laser" priority, which allows it to beat everything similarly to Falco's lasers or MK's attacks in Brawl.

So unless you want Sheik's needles to be like lasers... then you know where I'm going with this.

That should answer your question, Pen_Island.

 

[GHNeko]

>go to bed
>wake up
>DI fixed

*shrug*

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

You too?

BTW, Sakurai is a master troll.

 

[Ulevo]

Oh my god. You guys fixed DI?

 

[FireBall Stars]

I thought Sheik's Needles and other projectiles in Melee(Arrow, not sure about the bomb) could beat the Charge Shot because they had a hurtbox attached to them so the Charge Shot hits the needles like it had hit someone, nothing to do with priority.

Since the Needles always had transcendent priority and interacted with other attacks only because of that attached hurtbox.

If the Charge Shot has normal or laser priority it would be stopped by a projectile with a hurtbox regardless of the latter priority.

You can clearly see in the debug mode, the needles's have a hitbox in the center that is orange in color, that being a hitbox and a hurtbox together.

 

[GP&B]

Whether or not you are right, the Charge Shot should definitely not be stopped by needles.

 

[FireBall Stars]

I do agree.

 

[Lolo_knight]

Whether or not you are right, the Charge Shot should definitely not be stopped by needles.

But what about being stoped by falco's knee =0

 

[MonkUnit]

But what about being stoped by falco's knee =0

If Falco had the knee, he'd be waaaaay overpowered.

 

[ClinkStryphart]

Finally some free time from work been putting in some mad hours. I do have a question though what is going to become of lets say Ivy,ZSS in terms of recovery? Just wondering because I'm curious as well as probably others are.

Also Congrats guys on finding a fix for DI ^_^

 

[MonkUnit]

Ivy and ZSS still have their brawl upB whips. Maybe they'll end up being like falco; good on stage, poor recovery.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Tethers are much worse than Falco recovery. People underrate Falcos recovery. He isn't Roy or Ness (god damn this recovery's terrible).

But is Ivy good on stage? I know ZSS is but what about Ivy?

 

[kaizo13]

do you not remember B+ Ivy? o_O

she can be very deadly onstage

 

[MonkUnit]

Also, Ivysaur has not had much work.

 

[GHNeko]

Ivy's Giga Drain is so much ****.