Project M Social Thread

[GP&B]

I think MomoSugar mains him and I saw JC use him in a recent video. Honestly, you can get a pretty good idea of him by taking what you know about him in Melee, turning up the speed on many of his moves, and improving his specials although I'd love to see someone like Germ putting him to spectacular use.

EDIT: @stingers, a guy in one of JC's vids. I think it was probably because JC's Link was handing it to Voodoo's Ike in that particular match. I honestly thought Ike was doing pretty good as far as his design goes which is why I threw the "apparently" in there. I'm curious if any players could say so (and I haven't been watching Ike thoroughly so that could be part of it).

 

[JOE!]

Is anyone even trying to test Link's capabilities, like is anyone maining him so far to test out if he's actually any good or not on a competitive level, because it just looks like everyone is maining Fox/Falco/C. Falcon and not bothering to get good with anyone else.

Mission complete, just like melee!

 

[Shadic]

Ike is definitely the best character in Project M atm, gamedominator. I'm not sure where you heard that.

Ganondorf may be, actually. At least one of the easier characters to pick up.

Is anyone even trying to test Link's capabilities, like is anyone maining him so far to test out if he's actually any good or not on a competitive level, because it just looks like everyone is maining Fox/Falco/C. Falcon and not bothering to get good with anyone else.

There's plenty of Link:M footage out there. He's not being ignored, Camelot and I just did the bulk of the development on him early on. I've been busy recently but I plan on revisiting him later.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Wait until they are at the balancing phase then bring this up again.

Time will tell if this becomes more obvious what the issue is.

It MIGHT be the fact that those 3 are more familiar to this enviornment and don't know how other characters would fare. I could imagine Wario's Bite being Amazing against say, the space animals.

 

[stingers]

Ganondorf's not very good, and I play with a PRed Ganon main in NC all the time. (And don't even try to say that doesn't mean anything, because sans the few times a year when pros get to play this at big tournaments, he's the best person that gets to play it...definitely the best to play it regularly).

But it hasn't been balanced yet, so that doesn't really matter

 

[GP&B]

True, I'm more interested in each character's technical gameplay styles being finalized where balance will be as simple as adjusting values. Hopefully, balance will never have to be more than that when the time comes.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Falcons getting really overrated here. It seems like a lot of people dont know why falcon wasnt amazing in melee. I can guarentee you if SB played gayer darkrain wouldnt have ***** as hard, but who wants to play gay in casuals ya know? IIf Falcons only good approach is his nair again i can surely say there is no way in hell he's one of the best characters.

 

[Dantarion]

I am pretty sure Darkrain vs Strongbad in melee wouldnt have looked too different.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I didnt say that, did i?

 

[Sneak8288]

falcon is pretty much exactly the same wwith a minor buff to his recovery options

 

[ETWIST51294]

He still has his nair priority? Thats more important than his knee lol.

 

[Alphatron]

Is anyone even trying to test Link's capabilities, like is anyone maining him so far to test out if he's actually any good or not on a competitive level, because it just looks like everyone is maining Fox/Falco/C. Falcon and not bothering to get good with anyone else.

Link is fine. Ness is the one who anyone should be worried about. So far, all I know is that he got back DJC. And he had that in melee and was still crap.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Etwist....

The good melee characters are going to have their EXACT melee hitboxes. Then there's falcon's other minor buffs like side B being able to grab the ledge and up B having much larger grab range (that may or may not stay).

 

[The King Of Hearts]

Is anyone even trying to test Link's capabilities, like is anyone maining him so far to test out if he's actually any good or not on a competitive level, because it just looks like everyone is maining Fox/Falco/C. Falcon and not bothering to get good with anyone else.

Link is really good and Im going to main him again. His old bomb physics are back and his boomerange dosent suck and spin attack is back to what it use to be <3

Hes faster and isnt a duck... honestly I think I woulld want to see lord HDL play new link :D
I learned all my ticks from him and added germ tank style to my link. Which I wish I saw HDL vd Germ... I know the outcome but still wish I did see I wish...

Thier melee link model makes it even better XD

 

[Thunderhorse+]

Wtf is with all this tier talk? The game isn't even out yet, get this low/mid/high tier bs outta here. There are only characters who are ****ing stupid or not ****ing stupid (and the ****ing stupid ones will be fixed in time I'm sure).

I hate all of you.

Except Stingers.

<3

 

[Sneak8288]

all that matters is sheik is the best lol

 

[stingers]

awwwwww

<3333

when are we gonna see each other again

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

TH, your hate crashed the site.

I hope we find a way to have C-stick DI.

 

[Thunderhorse+]

502 Bad Hateway

awwwwww

<3333

when are we gonna see each other again

Pound 5 y/n?

 

[stingers]

pound 5 should happen.

project m hype

 

[JCaesar]

I'm pretty sure Pound 5 is in fact happening. *checks thread* Yup, hasn't been canceled.

Oh and I'll be there so you should go.

 

[Akuma2120]

Ok I got enough for answers lol thanks

 

[Zef]

Was the Melee edgehog thing added? Where you would roll off the ledge and the opponent couldn't grab it for like, 2 seconds after you're up?

 

[MonkUnit]

It has not been added yet, nor do I know if it will be.

 

[Zef]

Oh yeah, it probably has something to do with ledge occupancy.

 

[I R MarF]

Quick question, does Ike's bair semi-spike? I believe I have seen it having a similar effect in a gameplay vid but I can't remember.

 

[Ulevo]

Oh yeah, it probably has something to do with ledge occupancy.

There is a way to solve this. You know how the get up animations from the ledge change once your character is past 100%? Simply make it so that the player can willingly choose between animations.

 

[Sora-kun]

Link's Fair has the same melee startup speed right? I think bwarl's started up slower but i'm not sure. I also wonder if it has the same KB on the second slash as in melee? Or does it have a little bit more?

Love how it kept bwarl's spinning speed <3

edit:

There is a way to solve this. You know how the get up animations from the ledge change once your character is past 100%? Simply make it so that the player can willingly choose between animations.

wouldn't that make fawkx better?
and it would punish people with faster getup animations.

and some other stuff that i'm not in the position to think of right now.
maybe make a third getup animation that has uniform frame data throughout the cast that you can use while you're below 100 or something
then you lose the option and automatically do the 100 getup after that?

my suggestion probably would be bad actually @_@ but i'm just going with it.

 

[Ulevo]

Link's Fair has the same melee startup speed right? I think bwarl's started up slower but i'm not sure. I also wonder if it has the same KB on the second slash as in melee? Or does it have a little bit more?

Love how it kept bwarl's spinning speed <3

edit:


wouldn't that make fawkx better?
and it would punish people with faster getup animations.

and some other stuff that i'm not in the position to think of right now.
maybe make a third getup animation that has uniform frame data throughout the cast that you can use while you're below 100 or something
then you lose the option and automatically do the 100 getup after that?

my suggestion probably would be bad actually @_@ but i'm just going with it.

I'm not understanding how it would make Fox better, or punish faster animations? Maybe I'm not thinking clearly right now myself.

Anyway, my thoughts were to just allow players to use either slow roll animation or fast roll animation from the ledge below 100%, then once they're past 100%, they lose the ability to use the fast roll animation as usual.

I'm not sure how the ledge occupancy frame rates compare to that of a slow roll animation from the ledge, so this idea could be a bad one. Just throwing out suggestions.

 

[GP&B]

Really hoping Link's Fair is just like Melee/64 (preferably the latter as it killed sooner). Brawl+ Fair was kind of dumb.

 

[Sora-kun]

I'm not understanding how it would make Fox better, or punish faster animations? Maybe I'm not thinking clearly right now myself.

Anyway, my thoughts were to just allow players to use either slow roll animation or fast roll animation from the ledge below 100%, then once they're past 100%, they lose the ability to use the fast roll animation as usual.

I'm not sure how the ledge occupancy frame rates compare to that of a slow roll animation from the ledge, so this idea could be a bad one. Just throwing out suggestions.

iirc fox has a really long 100% ledge get up animation thus it would make him a more proficient edge hogger and characters with faster ones would be less proficient. Well.. i'm sure anyone's get up animation at 100 could edgehog just fine but fox would have a much larger room for error or something.

 

[Shadic]

Really hoping Link's Fair is just like Melee/64 (preferably the latter as it killed sooner). Brawl+ Fair was kind of dumb.

I was the biggest opponent of Link's B+ Fair. And it was long gone before I was even in the project.

 

[GP&B]

Heh, good. I even ended up changing the values myself in my B+ set because I was tired of how meh it felt.

 

[FrozenHobo]

itt, people who suggest things without having any idea how to actually do anything.

 

[kaizo13]

so Zelda's dins don't delay each other anymore? it seems alot more useful now. I approve

 

[AMKalmar]

So... somebody was somehow able to find data about hitbox knock-back / trajectory etc. for every attack. How was this done? Open up melee with a hex editor and start following offsets?

I want the real stage collisions. Is there some way for extracting the files from the melee iso?

 

[Kati]

Was the Melee edgehog thing added? Where you would roll off the ledge and the opponent couldn't grab it for like, 2 seconds after you're up?

*in favour of having to kill by smashing/intercepting*

professional melee play always puts me off when I see that... such an energy drainer for the fight.

 

[GHNeko]

lol y u mad tho?

 

[Zef]

he may be just a tad frustrated

 

[kaizo13]

Dantarion : "Big breakthrough! http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/IC-MemoryMap. Now, I wonder how long before we can even use this....."

"We can now tweak all of the constants...I think all of them"


somebody mind explaining this^?