shanus
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No, shouldn't be hard. I'll do it eventually.
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Smash Hero
Was there ever a decision made on Flame Canceling? Is it in or out or what? For Charzard that is. Also what's new with Bowser?
ManEg
Smash Journeyman
Thanx for the quick answers shanus, that has been bugging me for a while.
Nice to see the thread has actually gotten readable
Nice to see the thread has actually gotten readable
stingers
Smash Obsessed
^ yeah definitely. i'm tired of the trolls.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
I am ****ing curious now lol
And now this
I questioned those things before, somethings about Ike were answered by humble from marf's post a page ago I think.Myself said:
But if possibe, answer if you have made any plans about that stuff and if you don't, please answer too lol
I R MarF
Smash Ace
This is a very legitimate question.
Amongst all of the low tiers in the game he seems he would be the hardest to make viable. Granted, he has some good attributes but he seems like he will always have bad matchups.
shanus
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Mario has a work-in-progress melee-nado that will have some interesting...enhancements. He additionally can walljump out of upB, but its easier than melee because you don't need to be touching the wall the entire time for it to be enabled.
Bowser has been worked on a lot by Jiang, Warriorknight, and Badguy, but his changes will be made public in due time.
Bowser has been worked on a lot by Jiang, Warriorknight, and Badguy, but his changes will be made public in due time.
FireBall Stars
Smash Ace
Well, even a balanced game will have character that will have some bad matchups.
But if all of its matchups are bad, then there's a problem
He's strong, heavy and has a good range. Maybe only need tweaks in the recovery and sluggishness area and will be ok, well, just said maybe.
Thanks for answering shanus, I always wanted to use more the tornado. Thas UpB wall jump was very useful in yoshi story sometimes, it's great that you will return with it.
Having to be touching the wall all the time was a pain.
But if all of its matchups are bad, then there's a problem
He's strong, heavy and has a good range. Maybe only need tweaks in the recovery and sluggishness area and will be ok, well, just said maybe.
Thanks for answering shanus, I always wanted to use more the tornado. Thas UpB wall jump was very useful in yoshi story sometimes, it's great that you will return with it.
Having to be touching the wall all the time was a pain.
OrlyMelee
Smash Cadet
now i'm curious to, what's gonna happen with zss down b i heared it's gonna get some changes
shanus
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Hi everyone, we have decided to move all applications to the PMBR to a new place, please read here:
http://www.smashmods.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=952
http://www.smashmods.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=952
OrlyMelee
Smash Cadet
no good for me but the cat was lol.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
Discussion re-opened.
How do you guys in the back-room expect progress on things like this when you shut down potential discussions before they begin?
My Point: There should be situations where L-Cancelling is NOT the best thing to do.
Why?: This would assist with this goal stated in the second post:
3) Where the player has a great degree of control over his character due to the technical skill that he's achieved.
Also with a few of the "un-written" goals which I have picked up, which seem to be "Visible skill gap between pros and scrubs" and "Added depth".
How?: I have no ideas, this is purely up for debate or a decision by the back-room members.
****, yes! Anything else been done with Charizard/any videos of him?
OrlyMelee
Smash Cadet
Grimtuesday if you dont like L-cancel the way it is go make your own mod.
L-cancel wasn't a problem in melee so why do people ***** about it now.
L-cancel wasn't a problem in melee so why do people ***** about it now.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
UPPERCAUT!!!
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
I am doubting you read my post. At all.
If I was going to make my own mod, it wouldn't be the standard for P:M, which is what I am going for.
Let me ask you a question, if you don't like a feature in a game, do you make your own game and fix it? Or do you suggest a replacement to the developer?
People ***** about it now because we can actually change it.
shanus
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The point is, we have decided L-canceling long before you joined the discussion GrimTuesday. I am 99% sure in my statement that every member within the backroom supports its inclusion as is (with hitlag bug fixed, of course). We have a goal in mind and I'm sorry if it doesn't match your expectations, but many players are excited for it is as is and your opinion on a new form of L-canceling is in the smallest minority.
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Since people don't seem to understand this...
WE UNDERSTAND THAT L-CANCELLING IS A THOUGHTLESS TECHNIQUE AND WE DO NOT CARE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT L-CANCELLING IS A THOUGHTLESS TECHNIQUE AND WE DO NOT CARE.
You are mistaken, sir. However, I recognize that my opinion is overruled by nostalgic loyalty to the mechanic in Melee and that I won't get anywhere by arguing about it (since I've had this argument several times, including in the days before B+ was called B+).
stingers
Smash Obsessed
lol wind owl...nice way to put it
sorry for going off topic but I have a quick question about Ganondorf's nair.
will you be keeping it the same? my suggestion is to make it similar to C.Falcon's nair.
imo, Ganondorf's nair had very little use in Melee and if you made it like C.Falcon's nair, it'd add more combo potential to his game and another quick out of shield option for him rather than uair or shieldgrabs.
will you be keeping it the same? my suggestion is to make it similar to C.Falcon's nair.
imo, Ganondorf's nair had very little use in Melee and if you made it like C.Falcon's nair, it'd add more combo potential to his game and another quick out of shield option for him rather than uair or shieldgrabs.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
ganon already has brawl up b and brawl side b...he doesnt need more buffs =[
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
so this means zss has to be deleted? loool
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
I don't know too much about Ganon, but I think his Nair did have situational uses.
Also, even if we gave it Falcon knockback, he wouldn't be able to combo with it due to his vastly inferior horizontal aerial movement.
Also, even if we gave it Falcon knockback, he wouldn't be able to combo with it due to his vastly inferior horizontal aerial movement.
Uh... WTF?
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
read back a few pages then ull get it
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
I've been here for quite a few pages and I do not get it.
ICHIGOBLEACH
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no trust me his nair is terrible. give him falcon nair speed and now we've got some potential. nair knocks fastfallers over and sets up for tech chases. this would go hand in hand with his new side b.
also ow selective are you on pm applications
eidt: windowl shanus joked that if l-cancelling was brought up again that you guys would remove zss from project m
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
something shanus said
stingers
Smash Obsessed
I think you've got a good shot, just apply and give good credentials.
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
was referring to this
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Oh.
ninja'd
OrlyMelee
Smash Cadet
good thing it wasn't supermodel that discussed about L-cancel after shanus warned him
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
it said if your post causes a discussion about the whole L-cancel thing and it did sooo yea bye bye zssgood thing it wasn't supermodel that discussed about L-cancel after shanus warned him
well yeah I don't expect him to combo much out of it. I was thinking more about being able to just knock people away and possibly set up for tech chase opportunities like how C.Falcon does to spacies. I feel like Ganondorf gets stuck in his shield a lot so changing his nair can/would give him more options.
OrlyMelee
Smash Cadet
no Supermodel didn't Grimtuesday did it.it said if your post causes a discussion about the whole L-cancel thing and it did sooo yea bye bye zss
ICHIGOBLEACH
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Revven
FrankerZ
Another reason why Ganondorf's Nair in Melee was actually rubbish is because the hitboxes were only out for a really short time and didn't last the length of the animations. However, in Brawl, they fixed that (which he has this Nair in P:M). Whereas in Brawl Captain Falcon inherited Ganondorf's Nair from Melee (just a fun fact).
SO, really, Nair has already been changed to be better. It's just you need to find applications for it and then if it has none still, go from there.
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
you are misunderstanding what i am saying.
Supermodel started the discussion on lcanceling grim continued it.
what shanus said was if supermodel's post started a discussion on lcanceling then he would remove zss. diddnt say anything about him continueing it lol
not that this matters at all its a joke i think some of this is language barrier
stingers
Smash Obsessed
i dunno is anyone really interested in project m zss? you might as well play shiek.
Hellsinglover999
Smash Journeyman
probibly supermodel rofl
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