PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[X1-12]

I was under the impression that Samus players love it when you shine their missiles, because they can dash attack them laglessly, which gives them a slight frame advantage and more importantly allows them to close space with you.

only do it if your far enough away so they can't. They normally wont want to approach you and even if they do it'll probs be like a dash attack which is ****e

 

[unknown522]

I was under the impression that Samus players love it when you shine their missiles, because they can dash attack them laglessly, which gives them a slight frame advantage and more importantly allows them to close space with you.

Never do it up close.

 

[mhenlo]

i used x to jump for everything except for wave shining i use y, and i use L for everything never touch R except for wave dash out of shield

 

[Kanelol]

we should have an official thread where people can talk about their button set ups

no one cares about it but everyone wants to talk about it

 

[Melomaniacal]

So, what's the best way to punish a missed rest at low percents? The Puff I play honestly rarely misses rests (so I don't get too many opportunities to punish it anyway), and when he does I usually just try to get a little bread-and-butter combo off, but with varying success.

 

[unknown522]

d-air -> shine -> d-air -> pressure.

If she's over 15% when she misses the rest, but is under 30% then: d-air -> d-air -> shine -> d-air -> etc. The first d-air has to be low though.

 

[Melomaniacal]

d-air -> shine -> d-air -> pressure.

If she's over 15% when she misses the rest, but is under 30% then: d-air -> d-air -> shine -> d-air -> etc. The first d-air has to be low though.

Alright, that's what I figured, thanks.
The best I usually ever get on Puff is dair -> dair -> tech chase something, probably another dair, haha.

 

[AvengerAngel]

Why would you shine a Jigglypuff when you could hit him with an Uptilt (easier to combo with) or another Dair -> tech chase? xP
I think even Dair -> grab -> something is way better then a shine. Most of the times, if they DI correctly, you can't follow them with anything but a lazer x(

 

[unknown522]

I find it easier to pressure, the higher they go and the longer they're in hitstun. Even if you fail, you have her above you, which is nice.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Also, I've hit a wall. I've been stuck at the same level for, like, two months (or more) now. From day to day I either play the same or really poorly. What do I do? Pray? Take a break? Sacrifice small animals to the Sun God?

 

[Sion]

i've hit that wall many times myself, so i know exactly how it feels. getting over this plateau is different for every person imo. i'm not sure how i can help you, but i can tell you how i got on the road to improvement.

1. i polished my technical skill so that even in tournament, i'd hit at least a bit more technical moves.
2. i took risks. it certainly didn't get me the wins, but i learned how to deem what was too risky and what yielded better rewards for the risk, making the risk worth it.
3. i watched tons of videos.
4. i played players good and bad. they all taught me something.
5. i experimented with a hell of a lot with moves i would've never thought of using.

#4/5 was mostly friendlies, but tournament and mms were mixed in.
i wish you all the best in climbing the wall of improvement.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Appreciate the tips, man.
Lately I've just been catching myself auto-piloting basic Falco stuff. I know I'm capable of better, and I know what I do need to improve on, but I guess I'm not thinking ahead enough in my matches. I find myself getting shield grabbed way too much, not using any kind of mind games, approaching the same way, etc. I think I've just overplayed Falco and autopilot. I guess I need to take a break, haha.

Also, for some reason, I've become worse on small stages.

 

[Sion]

breaks are definitely good and can clear up your mind. as for me, i took a year or two break when i hit that wall and focused on school and other things. what some others sometimes do is they switch characters to help improve other aspects of their game. during the 1-2 year break, i just played casually and picked up a low tier. it helped me focus on aspects like spacing, not getting grabbed, smart play, etc.

and stage preference kills me, haha. i happen to do better on some stages over others, and i can't really get rid of the habit.

 

[Melomaniacal]

breaks are definitely good and can clear up your mind. as for me, i took a year or two break when i hit that wall and focused on school and other things. what some others sometimes do is they switch characters to help improve other aspects of their game. during the 1-2 year break, i just played casually and picked up a low tier. it helped me focus on aspects like spacing, not getting grabbed, smart play, etc.

and stage preference kills me, haha. i happen to do better on some stages over others, and i can't really get rid of the habit.

Yeah, me and my friends have been on a Melee binge this summer. College is just a month away, so I'll probably be playing a lot less... unless my roommate happens to play.

 

[FoxLisk]

1) you can almost definitely find people who play at your school or nearby unless it's really small. i found a lot of cool guys to play with at my college.

2) getting over a hump is a hard thing to do. it requires a lot of smash introspection. there's a quote that i'm currently not in a position to find about improvement that comes down to basically:
when people hit a plateau at something they're good at, there are three things they do:

a) give up or resign themselves to not improving

b) shore up individual holes in their game, but ultimately stay on the plateau with a bigger bag of tricks

c) start looking at the game a different way and seeing why what they're doing isn't making them improve anymore.

what you want to do is c. ideally you'd record yourself and study the videos. in addition to finding bad habits, you need to think about how you approach the game. instead of saying, 'i need to pillar less because it's not working' you need to understand why, things like that. start focusing on the issues behind the losses, not the immediate results. think about why you throw moves out in the places you do, and what better players do in similar situations. just spend a lot of time thinking about how your approach to the game or to matchups can be improved.

practicing tech skill and stuff won't ever get you to a higher plateau, you'll do the same mediocre stuff with greater consistency. you need to understand how you think about the game and then improve your own thinking.

Taking risks in games and thinking about (not just noticing patterns, thinking about the ideas behind) what works and what doesn't is a great step, though.

for a simpler solution: what's your problem? if your tech skill is weak, play a lot of fox and get your fingers faster. if your spacing is weak, play a lot of jiggs and thinking about space and positioning. if your punishment game is lacking, play marth or sheik for a while, because their games are punishment-heavy. if you're too offensive, play on bigger stages and watch jman games. if you're too defensive (don't capitalize on openings and put your opponent in risky spots), play on smaller stages or play a pressure-heavy fox.

it's all about figuring out why exactly you aren't improving and rethinking your approach to that aspect of the game.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I definitely know where you're coming from, and you're totally right. At this point, I just need to take a step back and reevaluate the big picture. I definitely have some other little issues in my game, but I really don't think that's what's holding me back.

I appreciate all the tips, guys. Falco boards = too good.

 

[V3ctorMan]

breaks are definitely good and can clear up your mind. as for me, i took a year or two break when i hit that wall and focused on school and other things. what some others sometimes do is they switch characters to help improve other aspects of their game. during the 1-2 year break, i just played casually and picked up a low tier. it helped me focus on aspects like spacing, not getting grabbed, smart play, etc.

and stage preference kills me, haha. i happen to do better on some stages over others, and i can't really get rid of the habit.

Yeah, I agree, hopefully Sion's awesome advice helps you out... Axe and myself did what Sion just stated and what I have bolded.......soo.. ummm... just a thought but..uhhh, maybe

Play, Pikachu? or Yoshi??? pullleeeeeeezz??

^^

but yeah, good luck to you for real...

Sion you should play Yoshi too ^^

 

[Sion]

yoshi is too hard 'cause of his djc =(

 

[Rubyiris]

djc is easycake.

Not having a jump oos kills him for me.

 

[TemPesT-]

at least he can shield drop :D

 

[V3ctorMan]

Yoshi's amazing! ^^ I got some new videos vs Axe's Falco/Pikachu... you all should watch it's a pretty good watch ^^ they'll be up later this afternoon ^^ <33

and this is Falco forum... we did Falco stuff too.. so I should post those too ^^

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yay! I love videos.

 

[unknown522]

people, I need advice.

Grand finals

Unknown522 (Fox/Falco) vs. I.B (Marth) - 6, 7, 8, 9,

 

[prog]

Good set, I definitely took some notes.

One thing I'd say is that whole edgeguarding marth thing could be more solid. I really like that waveland off the stage instabair (shoutout to Zhu) that puts him out of position to gimp you and out of position to take the ledge. Just my $.02. MM at APEX?

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

Good set, I definitely took some notes.

One thing I'd say is that whole edgeguarding marth thing could be more solid. I really like that waveland off the stage instabair (shoutout to Zhu) that puts him out of position to gimp you and out of position to take the ledge. Just my $.02. MM at APEX?

Signature move =)

 

[unknown522]

Good set, I definitely took some notes.

One thing I'd say is that whole edgeguarding marth thing could be more solid. I really like that waveland off the stage instabair (shoutout to Zhu) that puts him out of position to gimp you and out of position to take the ledge. Just my $.02. MM at APEX?

let's do it. Bo5 + how much?

Also, thanks.

 

[V3ctorMan]

hehe, I know this is Falco, so you guys SHOULD watch the Axe's Falco... I'll post me/Axe's Falco dittos in a different thread.. bur since the Yoshi thread(s) are kinda dead....

Dr. PP, and any/all of you in here should ummm.. well uhhh.. watch/rate/critique my Yoshi vs Axe por favor... <3 you all ^^

These were best 3 Out Of 5

V3ctorMan (Yoshi) vs Axe (Pikachu)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awK_WdXj12g - Game 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN4GDoih8CU - Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTKTrsvIU0k - Game 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rbnqlW5R7Q - Game 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a86I13X1XPA - Game 5

And these were best 2 out of 3

V3ctorMan (Yoshi) vs Axe (Falco)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnTx-7c-iQ - Game 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axMM6twD4YM - Game 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH6nkbOy6-4 - Game 3

I'm a Falco player so is this ok? hehe <3333333333333

 

[Melomaniacal]

I'm loving the Yoshi videos, man. Really entertaining stuff. Keep it up!

 

[prog]

let's do it. Bo5 + how much?

Also, thanks.

$1, i need some singles to go to the strip club.

list of mms:
axe - 1
kage - 1
pp - 1
unknown - 1
raynex - 1

zhu, want to get a mm in? haven't seen you since rom1.

 

[Rubyiris]

Enjoy losing your money, Prog.

 

[Sion]

prog is pretty good. not gonna lie

 

[unknown522]

$1, i need some singles to go to the strip club.

list of mms:
axe - 1
kage - 1
pp - 1
unknown - 1
raynex - 1

zhu, want to get a mm in? haven't seen you since rom1.

oh yeah, what characters?

 

[prog]

oh yeah, what characters?

how about one of dittos and one of falco/fox.
then tell IB to take a dollar from me too with his marth and kirbykaze to do the same through astral projection.

 

[unknown522]

haha, I'll tell them.

I wish KK could come. If we have a crew battle, we just lost our gayest player.

 

[Kason Birdman]

Hahaha. I lol'd

 

[Dr Peepee]

Prog, I'll do it.

Vman, I'll critique you tomorrow hopefully.

 

[MattDotZeb]

Hey, PP, how do I be good?

Could you tell me any other things like "Shine is one of the best attacks to tech chase with"? Obviously not all relating to shine, but stuff like it.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ughhh I still have to critique vman and baxon! Sorry guys, I've been kinda busy. I shoullld be able to get that knocked out today if my internet cooperates.

@MDZ: Most people tend to find their own ways to see the game and exploit that as hard as possible to be good. I could tell you about what works for me, if you want.

 

[Sion]

does anyone know how viable nair is with all of the cc antics going around?

 

[MattDotZeb]

Ughhh I still have to critique vman and baxon! Sorry guys, I've been kinda busy. I shoullld be able to get that knocked out today if my internet cooperates.

@MDZ: Most people tend to find their own ways to see the game and exploit that as hard as possible to be good. I could tell you about what works for me, if you want.

Yeah. That works.

I already have my own style and things I find work well, of course. Just that I'm open to hear what other people do and good tips in general, you know?
For whatever reason I learn better when someone tells me what is a good thing to do/practice.