Pokemon Battle! Which Pokemon deserves a Brawl spot the most?

[Black/Light]

*sigh*

Enuff with these name callings. . .

Wait, you all might as well carry one. All else I see is how coo Lucario looks and thats all I'v really been hearing for the last year.
(It amazes me how Kaid can put up with soo many people using that as the back bone for their Lucario support. . . maybe he feels the same about Lucario so it doesn't bother him)

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

The outline of the logical Lucario argument is as follows.
1. Lucario was one of the stars of a Pokemon movie. And turns out not to be legendary.
What warrants such special treatment? Perhaps they felt Lucario was highly marketable.
2. A 4th generation representative of Pokemon is necessary.
3. Lucario has a large fanbase.
4. Lucario is clearly winning this poll by a large margin.
5. Lucario has an enormous movepool from which to draw a Brawl moveset.
These are the facts. The only debate is over whether this is enough.

 

[DokturSea]

Who do I want? Munchlax, cuz he's adorable. Who deserves to get in? Lucario. No questions asked.



Better than some dumb fighting chicken.

 

[HellsAngelLust]

i think dragonite would be fast i dont know tho lolz but yeah it would not hurt i'm sure they will make lucario and Deoxys fast if either on gets on but i would not mind mewtwo leaving (even tho he is good) for Dexoys or Lucario i wish they stick both of them end that would be a great battle

 

[Wrath`]

Blaze is a rooster

 

[Black/Light]

The outline of the logical Lucario argument is as follows.
1. Lucario was one of the stars of a Pokemon movie. And turns out not to be legendary.
What warrants such special treatment? Perhaps they felt Lucario was highly marketable. . . Thats not "speacial treatment". Unknown and some would say Lati@s or even that ranger that played the same role as Lucario in the 9th movie. Co-starring in a movie aint too big. And people use to say he should get in because he was legendary. . . funny.
2. A 4th generation representative of Pokemon is necessary. *sigh* There are others
3. Lucario has a large fanbase. That can be said for others. .
4. Lucario is clearly winning this poll by a large margin. IDK if your refering to my post but directly but I meant to include the serebii.net people that just drink Lucario p*ss every sence Buizel went too Dawn. "Ash just HAS to get a Riolu!" is all I here now. . odd, this didn't happen til Buiz and Chim where no goes for Ash. Funny. . .and IDK who you are there so. .
5. Lucario has an enormous movepool from which to draw a Brawl moveset. Can be said for others. . .
These are the facts. The only debate is over whether this is enough.

Oh please. . . I can make a list of reasons as to why w/e should get in. My point was that most reasons for him that I here from most people add up to nothing more than "OMG, he looks coo and shoots the pulse bomb! He looks built for fighting in SSBB!/ He looks MADE for Ash (WTH?!? No one was on my side last year. Flip floppers. . . )".

And Blaze is a fighting C-ock DS. I would have you know that they are soo raw that they bring in the bread for many poor families. People can actually get rich on them in higher class underground fighting rings.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Can you offer me any better alternative for 4th generation representative?
No, you can't.
Lopunny?
No chance, due to slim to none international fanbase.
Munchlax?
Almost universally hated.
Gallade?
Too obscure, on the whole.

Blaziken has NO franchise significance whatsoever. I have yet to see anything convincing for Blaziken besides the fanbase, and the "would be awesome" argument.
And since there's a large number of people who want Sora in Brawl, and there are those who have advanced the argument that having Waluigi playable "would be awesome", neither argument can be accepted as valid.
Blaziken is a bizarre pipe-dream. I would put its chances at the same level as Charizard.

 

[Black/Light]

Can you offer me any better alternative for 4th generation representative? Yeah
No, you can't. Who are you to say that?
Lopunny? Yeah
No chance, due to slim to none international fanbase. Wow, so your Sakurai now? And do we have to go over this time and time again? Japan will get their picks. . .And I personally see Sakurai having his picks done sometime last year so if a 4th gen pokemon is picked I would think he would go to where it (DP) was out at to pick.
Munchlax? Could be. He WAS the first 4th gen pokemon to be seen so they much see him as marketable
Almost universally hated. Was Pichu loved before Melee? Raichu was the only chu on the melee polls
Gallade? Maybe, could bonce off of Gard's fam.
Too obscure, on the whole. ???? Not to Japan.

Blaziken has NO franchise significance whatsoever.. . . When did this become a talk about Blaze? You remind me of someone. . . F-O for someone who runs to a Blaze debate whenever I talk about w/e pokemon they like. Let me check. . . Dragonite SuCks A**!!!! I have yet to see anything convincing for Blaziken besides the fanbase, and the "would be awesome" argument. Actually, to expand upon the fanbase part Blaze has had the top pokey spot in the US/UK sence R/S came out 4 years ago. Thats alot of time to which Sakurai could have picked her. And People also use the fact that she is a starter rep. . . you know, important to the game. Plus she was the very first 3rd gen to be seen and in "Our intro pokey to the 3rd gen" amoung other reasons. .
And since there's a large number of people who want Sora in Brawl, and there are those who have advanced the argument that having Waluigi playable "would be awesome", neither argument can be accepted as valid.. . .WTH are you talking about? Unless Im misstaken you don't know who is in. . . so whats your point?

Blaziken is a bizarre pipe-dream. I would put its chances at the same level as Charizard. I could say the same for Deoxy or Lucario. . . your point?

. . .I really don't know wth your going on about. MY point to that post was that, YES, MOST of your Lucario fans just go all "It fits/ it's coo lookn" which aint much to go off of.

 

[Johnknight1]

Can you offer me any better alternative for 4th generation representative?
No, you can't.
Lopunny?
No chance, due to slim to none international fanbase.
Munchlax?
Almost universally hated.
Gallade?
Too obscure, on the whole.

Blaziken has NO franchise significance whatsoever. I have yet to see anything convincing for Blaziken besides the fanbase, and the "would be awesome" argument.
And since there's a large number of people who want Sora in Brawl, and there are those who have advanced the argument that having Waluigi playable "would be awesome", neither argument can be accepted as valid.
Blaziken is a bizarre pipe-dream. I would put its chances at the same level as Charizard.

-There will be only one rep for the 4th gen and it shall be Lucario

-There will probably be only one rep for the 3rd gen, and it's Deoxys (most likely), or Blazekien.

-There probably won't be any 2nd gen reps (after Pichu failed at least), even if it was my favorite gen. Ahh well...

-There will probably be 3 1st gen reps=Mewtwo (almost everyone wants him to return, but better), Pikachu (confirmed), and Jigglypuff (this thing proves itself time and time again).

That gives us a total of five, period.

Originally Posted by pineappleupsetshark
Can you offer me any better alternative for 4th generation representative?
No, you can't.
Lopunny?
No chance, due to slim to none international fanbase.
Munchlax?
Almost universally hated.
Gallade?
Too obscure, on the whole.

Blaziken has NO franchise significance whatsoever. I have yet to see anything convincing for Blaziken besides the fanbase, and the "would be awesome" argument.
And since there's a large number of people who want Sora in Brawl, and there are those who have advanced the argument that having Waluigi playable "would be awesome", neither argument can be accepted as valid.
Blaziken is a bizarre pipe-dream. I would put its chances at the same level as Charizard.

Blazekien has a much bigger fanbase that wants it in Brawl, and it's fanbase that wants it in Brawl is also much bigger than Meowth's. Fanbase and retroness is all that matters, and there really aren't that many (if any) retro Pokemon. Though I will give you that Meowth has reconizability, and is liked, but most would probably not want it in Brawl. Blazekein is well...sorta one side yae, one nae, both about the same side from wat I've seen, but I could be wrong. Just as long as no one is hating on Deoxys or Lucario....

Blazekein COULD POSSIBLY get it like Pichu (but actually with a fanbase that wants it in Brawl) did in Melee, but I doubt that will happen. Overall Deoxys is much more likely IMO, though I could obviously could be wrong.

 

[Wrath`]

Pinapledude is a anti-blaze extreamist.

 

[cyberdemon]

Gotta love the fighting rooster.

It has the biggest 3rd gen fanbase, there's no denying that.

And speaking of movies, it had an appearance in deoxys movie If I'm not mistaken.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Plus she was the very first 3rd gen to be seen and in "Our intro pokey to the 3rd gen" amoung other reasons. .

I call BS on that. The honor belongs to four other Pokemon: Wailmer, Azurill, Kecleon, and Wynaut. The first three were shown in a magazine in 2001 or so. Wynaut was shown in at least ten episodes before Blaziken.
So we can see that Blaziken supporters will fabricate information to forward their candidate.
Pathetic.

Pinapledude is a anti-blaze extreamist.

And you are an ignorant, mean-spirited arsewipe.

 

[Wrath`]

And you are an ignorant, mean-spirited arsewipe.

You have been owned by black/light countless times, you my disgruntled low life are an idiot.


Also you support meowth, he is old and 1st gen, we do not need any more 1sr gen

 

[DokturSea]

And Blaze is a fighting C-ock DS. I would have you know that they are soo raw that they bring in the bread for many poor families. People can actually get rich on them in higher class underground fighting rings.

Eh, don't care. I still don't want him in. Like...a lot. I'll admit he has high chances of making it, and it disgusts me. UGH. Blaziken (Or should I say "Blaze") = poo, no matter HOW short you make his name.

 

[Black/Light]

I call BS on that. The honor belongs to four other Pokemon: Wailmer, Azurill, Kecleon, and Wynaut. The first three were shown in a magazine in 2001 or so. Wynaut was shown in at least ten episodes before Blaziken.
So we can see that Blaziken supporters will fabricate information to forward their candidate.
Pathetic.

Actually, I was going to say "ONE of the very first" but I get mixed up when typing in that format so I probly skipped it.

. . . But I guess you agree with everything else I said.
Good

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

No, I don't. I'm just very, very lazy.

You have been owned by black/light countless times, you my disgruntled low life are an idiot.


Also you support meowth, he is old and 1st gen, we do not need any more 1sr gen

Who's the one with bad grammar, spelling, and logic here? You.
You type like you haven't graduated from elementary school.
Also, Fire type is among the least useful Pokemon types.
I had a Blaziken on Emerald, but it sucked arse, so I traded over my old Sceptile to save the day. Yeah. Through empirical trials, I have determined Blaziken is not a good Pokemon.

You know, out of all the fandoms on the internet, few have so many astoundingly idiotic kid devotees as Pokemon. The Blaziken for Brawl movement is a product of that idiocy.

Wow, so your Sakurai now? And do we have to go over this time and time again? Japan will get their picks. . .And I personally see Sakurai having his picks done sometime last year so if a 4th gen pokemon is picked I would think he would go to where it (DP) was out at to pick.

If Sakurai finished the character selection in the fall of last year, the only two 4th generation Pokemon with any chance are Lucario and Munchlax.
Because Lopunny's fanbase has developed over many months, and only seems obvious now.
Lucario was used extensively for marketing D/P before its release.

I could say the same for Deoxy or Lucario. . . your point?

Regarding Lucario, you'd be wrong, due to Lucario being used as one of the mascots of D/P.

Actually, to expand upon the fanbase part Blaze has had the top pokey spot in the US/UK sence R/S came out 4 years ago. Thats alot of time to which Sakurai could have picked her. And People also use the fact that she is a starter rep. . . you know, important to the game. Plus she was the very first 3rd gen to be seen and in "Our intro pokey to the 3rd gen" amoung other reasons. .

In English, please.

I challenge you to give us a workable moveset for Lopunny, and also answer to the charges that Lopunny is the subject of numerous pornographic renderings.

 

[Black/Light]

No, I don't. I'm just very, very lazy.
Well good for you.

If Sakurai finished the character selection in the fall of last year, the only two 4th generation Pokemon with any chance are Lucario and Munchlax.
Because Lopunny's fanbase has developed over many months, and only seems obvious now.
Lucario was used extensively for marketing D/P before its release.

I said last year, I can't say WHEN last year. But from what I know Buneary/ Lopunny has been a hit there sence before DP was released (Mag scans releaseing pokemon). Neither one of us can say WHEN she became popular or WHEN Sakurai stopped if he stopped last year. I just know that she has been popular over sence she was known.
(With this logic no 4th gen pokemon would be choosen. . . or one Sakurai sees fit like Pichu)

And how would Lucario count as a choice due to this? Japan likeys Gard/ Male Gard (Gallade or w/e)/ Buneary/Lopunny. . . he doesn't have this world wide fame you keep pushing. . .
Lucario is in the same boat as Blaze and Deoxy. . . riding on US/UK fame.

Regarding Lucario, you'd be wrong, due to Lucario being used as one of the mascots of D/P.

. . . .Humm, I can name a few DP mascots off the top of my head. And Blaze/ Deoxy were also used to advertize RS in their day. . .your point?

In English, please. You can't understand it. . .to bad for you.

I challenge you to give us a workable moveset for Lopunny, and also answer to the charges that Lopunny is the subject of numerous pornographic renderings.

What? Im sorry if your not smart enuff to see how a human shaped bunny can fight in SSBB. . . LOOK AT IT! It's closer to being human shaped than your almighty Lucario. . .Good god. (Plus, it doesn't matter if I can make a moveset for it. . . Im not Sakurai)

And Porn is the RESULT of popularity! Samus/ Zelda/ Peach/ Midna/ K-fox/ Gard ALL have huge amounts of porn made for them. . . because their popular.

Really, can't see your reason behind throwing that out there.

Using porn as a point. . .Pathetic. . .

Edit, And I would REALLY like to know who you are on Serebii. You don't debate like JellSprout soo most likely you aint him (he is alot better. . .and smarter) and if your not him than theres a good chance your one of does members I don't like on the SSB topic.

 

[kaid]

Well, as far as "mascot of the 4th gen" goes... Who's up for a google hunt?

What are the pokemon that appear on the D/P Card booster packs?
What are the pokemon that appear on Pokemon ads in gamestores?
What are the pokemon that have significant roles in the anime/movies?
Also, any pokemon that appear as anime-style art in the Videogame associated material (gameboxes, manuals, ect)

We are almost certian to find corelations in these data. If someone can start collecting answers, we may be a step closer to finishing that debate point forever.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

http://www.pokemoncenter.com/invt/4279
The Lucario PokeDoll shall crush all haters.

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Lucario&word2=Blaziken
Blaziken=OWNED

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Meowth&word2=Blaziken
Blaziken=OWNED AGAIN

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Deoxys&word2=Blaziken
Blaziken=OWNED A THIRD TIME

Blaziken has had no significant roles.
If Meowth gets in, it will be on virtue of having being in the anime and all movies since Episode 2. If Lucario gets in, it will show that Nintendo is thinking logically.
Deoxys is more debatable, and only gets in on virtue of its awesome moves.
According to my marketing theory, Plusle&Minun would be the representatives for the 3rd generation. I dislike my marketing theory.

(With this logic no 4th gen pokemon would be choosen. . . or one Sakurai sees fit like Pichu)

Actually, with that logic, only three 4th generation Pokemon have a serious chance: Lucario, Munchlax, and Weavile.

What? Im sorry if your not smart enuff to see how a human shaped bunny can fight in SSBB. . . LOOK AT IT! It's closer to being human shaped than your almighty Lucario. . .Good god. (Plus, it doesn't matter if I can make a moveset for it. . . Im not Sakurai)

The test of whether a character is implementable is whether or not you can make a good moveset. That's a lame excuse. Show me what you've got!
Meowth is almighty. Lucario is pretty cool.

 

[kaid]

Well, for my first point, http://www.go-pokemon.com/tcg/cards/ every page in this section has Lucario in the corner. I'm still looking for the actuall Booster pack art.

 

[Black/Light]

Lol, google fight. . .

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Mew&word2=Lucario
Mew "owned" Lucario

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Deoxy&word2=Lucario
Deoxy "owned" Lucario

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Pichu&word2=Lucario
Pichu "owned" Lucario

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Trainer+Red&word2=Lucario
Trainer Red "owned" Lucario.

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Eevee&word2=Lucario
Eevee "owned" Lucario

. . .Really, whats your point?

Blaziken has had no significant rol...serebii.net/pokedex-dp/428.shtml Read. . .

 

[kaid]

Would you care to assist me on my information search, Black/Light?

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Give me a Brawl moveset for Lopunny, you prat.
I am working under the implicit assumption that the character list was decided by about a month after that poll closed.
Which makes sense to me. They really needed to get a character list nailed down early, so they didn't have to boot out characters they really wanted to put in.
My point is there probably wasn't enough time for a sizable fanbase to develop for Lopunny.

Spoiler

In my mind, this is completely absurd. Actually arguing with a guy that thinks Lopunny has a better chance than Lucario. Wow. The InterWebz is full of weird people.

If you don't think the Japanese fanbase for Lopunny is built on pornography, then you're completely and utterly bonkers, stark raving mad. It's the new Porn Star Pokemon.
Plus, it looks as ugly as Milotic.
Anyway, you need some anti-crazy pills. Tried your local pharmacy yet?

And preemptively, to Koarin, please just shut up and leave this thread. You're incoherent, rude, and offensive. You need to take a class in internet etiquette. Just felt that needed to be said.

 

[kaid]

Pineapple, the same could be said for you.

What I would really appriciate, is if someone could go down to their friendly-local-game-store, and find out all the pokemon who appear on the Diamond/Pearl booster pack packaging.

 

[Fawriel]

Kaid, you are a quiet voice of reason in a raging storm of internet arguments.

I'd try to help, but I don't really know any places near me I could look for. If we walk by a store on a walk, I'll be sure to do some research ( = pressing my face against the window ).

I'd also make a moveset for Lopunny, but in the end, it's not like it would matter anyway.
I'd better be updating my Gardevoir thread... to revive it after that embarrassing discussion. *scratches head*

 

[Wrath`]

I am not agianst lucario here,so no-one point fingers at me.

yes,here are the booster pack pokemon:
Palkia, Dialga, Electrive, Lucario

What, electrive for brawl? that would actualy be cool

Blaze i remember was on the RS booster back then too, so i do not see were or how this will play into an argument,but whatever.


I'll stop arguing and start looking for things to prove points

Yes, Twok has evolved

 

[the grim lizard]

I just have to say that...people, the number of hits on google is really very meaningless. For "Pichu" you're going to get tons of hits which have solely to do with Melee, and that's not really fair comparing to newcomers. For "Mew," you're getting hits from mewtwo as well, and you're getting hits from random crap about cat sounds.

But my opinion...add one of the newer pokemon, but I'd really like more 1st/2nd gen ones because they are more recognizable and more fun.

 

[Drascin]

I am not agianst lucario here,so no-one point fingers at me.

yes,here are the booster pack pokemon:
Palkia, Dialga, Electrive, Lucario

What, electrive for brawl? that would actualy be cool

Blaze i remember was on the RS booster back then too, so i do not see were or how this will play into an argument,but whatever.


I'll stop arguing and start looking for things to prove points

Yes, Twok has evolved

...Whoah. Evolution indeed. Is this another case of Magikarp -> Gyarados type evolution? Koarin had a history of sounding a bit like an immature fanboy sometimes, but now sounds even reasonable, and helpful! And the spelling is good! Way to go, dude, way to go ^^. I wondered when you leveled up so as to evolve? Or was it evolution by item? Either way, it's good . Unfortunately, it seems pinneapple has taken up everything you shed and left behind, and aded it to his own unnecessary aggressiveness. Seriously, pinneapple, man, chill a cycle.

And I wouldn't actually be against your idea of Electrivire as a playable, myself. I'd prefer a lot of others, of course (Gardevoir, Lucario, even Blaziken himself), but I'd have no problem to play it (whereas if someone like Meowth and such got in I'd refuse to play with them on the grounds of injustice alone xD).

..and all this talk of pokemon TCG boosters reminds me of when the pokemon cards where actually sold around here. I miss those times, I liked the game, my old electric deck was good times. When will we see a DS PokemonTCG game like the one in the GBC?

 

[kaid]

That's just one piece of information, not all of it.

Next would probably be characters in the anime/movies

I know Munch got an early role, Lucario was a title character in Lucario and the mystery of Mew, and buysels appear in the Manfi movie, but other than that, I'm a bit fuzzy on the significant anime 4th gen.

 

[Wrath`]

Ok, here is the move stuff

Destiny Deoxeys

Notable pokemon: 3rd gen: deoxeys,Rayquaza 4th gen: Munchlax

Lucario and the mystery of mew

Notable pokemon: 1st gen: Mew 3rd gen: the regi's 4th gen: Lucario, Bonsly, Weavile and Mime Jr.

Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea

Notable pokemon: 3rd gen: Kyogre 4th gen: Manphy, Chatot, Buizel, Mantyke

And then there is that other movie Palkia vs Dialga vs Darkrai

 

[kaid]

Anyone watch the TV show?

Other than that...

In the Pearl Manual, only 2 pokemon are shown as art, not screenshots. Paulka (sp?) on table of Contents, and Lucario on Page 55. (there's also Boy and Girl trainer on page 4, and the gym leaders on pages 35-36)

My sister can't find her Diamond manual, so I don't know how that one is different.

 

[aaman4567]

Putting Lucario in brawl would be the biggest mistake ever witnessed throughout the span of time and space. He is the dumbest looking pokemon ever to be concieved and would ruin my life and everyones around. PERIOD. If there is a God, Lucario will not be in Brawl.

Thank you for your time.

Discussion is over, lock the thread.

 

[kaid]

Do not respond to the troll, people.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

I just have to say that...people, the number of hits on google is really very meaningless. For "Pichu" you're going to get tons of hits which have solely to do with Melee, and that's not really fair comparing to newcomers. For "Mew," you're getting hits from mewtwo as well, and you're getting hits from random crap about cat sounds.

It was a joke. No one would use googlefights for evidence of Brawl character inclusion.

Seriously, pinneapple, man, chill a cycle.

Koarin never apologized for using the term "Lucario Nazi" which is highly offensive.
Also, I'm deeply annoyed by people who don't always type in complete sentences.
But I was very tired last night.

Anyone watch the TV show?

Used to. Then it moved to cable. I don't have cable.
Blaziken appeared near the end of the G/S series, and then at the VERY end of the Advanced series, in the Battle Frontier.
This, I feel, is strong evidence against Blaziken.

 

[Black/Light]

. . .Wow, alot happened will I was gone.

Im going to side with the voice of reason here and ignore the senseless rants of pus (pineappleupsetshark) and actualy treat this as a search for info.

Booster pack: As TwoK said, the two DP legendary pokemon as well as Electrive and Lucario are on them. I have also seen Blaze and Deoxy on 3rd gen booster packs. . . and I don't every remember seeing Pichu/ Jpuff/ Mew2 on them so idk what use this is.

Past Anime/ movie: Lucario was in the 8th movie. Blaze, Munch and Deoxy where in the Deoxy movie. Deoxy had a half way movie thing well Blaze both introduced us to the 3rd gen and closed it after being a Combuskin most of the time on the show. Munch introduced us to the 4th gen in the show as well.
Oh and Manaphy was in the 9th movie with Buizel/ Mime Jr (who was also one of the first 4th gen pokemon in the anime).

Manga: I know Deoxy was in the manga and Blaziken was the Main characters main pokemon in the RS series/ saga. IDK what else was in it thou .

Corrent anime: Yes, I like to see the corrent 4th gen anime with Bittorrents)
Ash has the mid evol of Starly/ Aipom/ Pika/ Turtwig.
Brock has Boysel ((sp) it has evoled) and the fighting froggy.
But the more interesting one of them is Dawn.

Dawn has a Pip (water starter), Buneary (it has a huge crush on Pika), Buizel (it had a appearance in the 9th movie) and a Pachirisu ( First time in the history on the anime that another character got a thunder type. . . and it's the Pika rip thunder type for this gen)

Newest Movie: The 2 legendary pokemon along with Darkrai and the evols of the starters ar all I know of right now.

 

[kaid]

Meanwhile in both the Diamond manual and the Pearl manual, Lucario remains the only art other than the version legendary, the trainers, and the gym leaders.

My last question was advertising... Did I miss anything else?

(Oh, and black/light, this was to answer the question of "who is the 4th gen mascot." Blaze is, for once, not an issue)

 

[Black/Light]

Oh, well sorry. After **** tried to turn this into a Blaze debate my Blaze mode turn on.

But from the looks of it, I would have to say that the most advertized 4th gen pokemon are. . .

Munch (Seen in the Deoxy movie and stayed in the RS anime for a well)
The 2 legendaries (forgot to say it but I have seen D/P posters with them on it and are on the tv ad and game book and ect)
The starters (The starters where on the same posters and the tv ad and the front page of Nintendo.com and ect)
Manuphy (sp) ( Had it's on movie and also was in the pokemon ranger's game as a egg to be sent to DP so it actually connects two different games)
Lucario (Appeared in the 9th movie and was on the booster pack aswell)
Mime Jr ( like Munch)
I will add more, computer acting up.

 

[the grim lizard]

Putting Lucario in brawl ... He is the dumbest looking pokemon ever to be concieved.

Dumber looking that Deoxys??

 

[aaman4567]

sorry im not trolling but i seriously dont want lucario in the game, he looks like a mix of fox and falco and well we already have fox and maybe falco.....why do we need another? If anything they should only have original pokemon becuase the newer ones are not even close to the koolness of the originals.(im no pokemon hater im just saying)

 

[kaid]

That's like saying we shouldn't have Gannondorf because we already have marth AND roy.

Lucario doesn't have a shine. nuff said.