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My top pick would be Meta-Kirby because he tried to out Hando as Snorlax based on his posting restriction. That's the same kind of character fishing he also did in Scum Wars as the Emperor. Now look through MKs whooping 9 posts and tell me if you see him respond to said accusation.
Can you remember one of his posts? Can you tell me whom he wants to lynch for what reason? Can you tell me if he ever took a genuine stance on anything?

That comes awfully close to the well-known "timid" scumbag - timid because he doesn't have a scumbuddy to help him or give him advice (yet). He has to recruit one first. Meanwhile he's lurking and fishing for information (some of which he got handed on a silver platter) as he lurks outside of people's radar.

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#HBC | ZoZo

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Summoner has computer issues and it's kinda gay to lynch him without letting him defend himself *sigh*
So MK... sure.
Vote: MK
 

Handorin

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I still think we are letting Xonar walk away with the gun... I hope it doesn't bite us later...

I'll go with MK though...

Vote: MK...............
 

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What in the world O_o Well, okay. If anyone has any questions they want me to answer, please direct them towards me now, I'll be happy to answer them to clear myself.

My top pick would be Meta-Kirby because he tried to out Hando as Snorlax based on his posting restriction. That's the same kind of character fishing he also did in Scum Wars as the Emperor. Now look through MKs whooping 9 posts and tell me if you see him respond to said accusation.
I admit, that was a mistake on my part. It was halfway a joke, but it sorta failed >_>;;
I'm glad you're finally announcing your case on me, because you've been tunneling on me for a good while now, and I'm happy I finally have something to respond to. Not that I'm not annoyed that you've started a wagon on me, but I understand why.

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Can you remember one of his posts? Can you tell me whom he wants to lynch for what reason? Can you tell me if he ever took a genuine stance on anything?[/quote]

I wanted to lynch Xonar for the majority of D1. It was pretty evident in my posts. After Chaco claimed, I unvoted Xonar, because I wasn't quite sure what was going on and I needed to think a bit more. I'm pretty sure I'm not voting for anyone right now (I think?) But I will make a case on Kirbyoshi because I believe that he should be the lynch candidate over me.

That comes awfully close to the well-known "timid" scumbag - timid because he doesn't have a scumbuddy to help him or give him advice (yet). He has to recruit one first. Meanwhile he's lurking and fishing for information (some of which he got handed on a silver platter) as he lurks outside of people's radar.

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I know I haven't lept headfirst into this game as much as others, but I'm timid because this set up intimidates me. There are so many facets, from location, to evolution, to exploring, to recruiting, to abilities, and speed, it is alot to handle. There are instances where I feel overwhelmed and scared to post anything. O_O However, I will definitely try to post more as we progress farther into this game. Please give me more questions to help me clear my name; the most annoying thing is when a wagoned person isn't given a chance to plead his case. That's all I ask.
 

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So you tried to out Handorin's role... as a joke?

And like I said before, the best way to play this game is to play it as if it's NOT abnormal, because it really isn't. We need to find scum -> lynch scum, in that order.
 

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The intent was not at all to try out his role, but to make a joke based on his speaking. I understand that it failed miserably and I'm paying for it now >_>
It's easy to say it like that McFox, and when it all boils down to it, it's definitely the be-all-end-all objective, but it is very easy to get sidetracked by all this jazz.
Also, I'd like to point out that indecisiveness shouldn't be viewed as scummy. If I were scum (speaking from a personal standpoint, not a "generalized scum" play) I would make sure to be on nearly every bandwagon to get that extra vote just to kill someone and have a recruiting oppourtunity at night.
Be on the lookout for a lengthy case on Kirbyo. I KNOW he's a better lynch candidate than me, and I'll prove it. From Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Mafia, I know that there is nothing to be gained from getting mad at the other townies for this wagon;; the only thing I have to do is prove my innocence, which I will! :)
 

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The only reason we've gotten sidetracked is because we've allowed ourselves to get sidetracked, with endless speculation. I've certainly contributed my part of that as well, but I've done my best not to let it distract me. I look forward to hearing your case on Kirbyo.
 

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Meta-Kirby (5) Gheb_01, Xonar, McFox, Handorin, Ronike
Chaco (2) Ryker, KevinM
Xonar (2) Chaco, ChiboSempai
SwordsRbroken (1) Kirbyoshi
Kirbyoshi (1)
SwordsRbroken
ChiboSempai (1) SummonerAU

Not voting (3) Omis,
frozenflame751, Meta-Kirby

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Sunday, March 21st, Noon EST.
 

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Swords said:
I don't see why there could not be scum. Mewtwo could always be indy with a two-person scumteam. Or maybe a indy-team. I don't know, but i don't like you ruling out the possibility of a mafia.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Do you think there is actually any weight to the opinion that M2 has a scumteam? Seems pretty obvious he works alone. Or do you somehow think Red and Green are working together? That is just a bogus idea.

Indy-team? *insert pic of Spock with the caption "that is illogical"*

Why? Do you not think 2 recruiters AND an SK aren't anti-town enough? Wanna throw in 2 or 3 more anti-town roles? No thank you.
 

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Here are my exact notes on all the posts which I find the case on Kirbyoshi ever-growing. I took notes in a word Document and they are found in the spoiler

[Collapse=Notes on Kirbyo's Posts]Post 12 – Stupid post.
Post 22 – Leading town to believe that there are ONLY two set ups.
Post 35- brings up a point about Pokemon being “harder” to catch, inside information on the Trainer’s part?
Post 117- Hops on the Swords Wagon for a contradiction, parroting, saying “Obvtrainer is obvious” when little spec has been put into it.
Post 119- Asserts firm belief that Xonar didn’t slip and is the only person to take his words literally. Calls the Xonar wagon “useless” and says that Xonar isn’t acting scummy at all.
Overall noted: Kirbyo usually doesn’t comment on current issues.
Post 125- Contradiction, although he always calls contradictions scummy. Buddies with Xonar for some reason.
Post 127- Inside information still. “Most likely” added at end is probably added last second before post to provide a “safety” cushion to make it look like he’s not scum with this information. More Xonar buddying.
Post 129 – LOLOLOL. Calls most of the game “lol-able” for voting Xonar. CLAIMS Xonar buddying Ryker, when in fact, quite the contrary.
Post 133 – Claims Xonar shouldn’t claim. More buddying? Possibly related role wise
Post 135- Completely useless.
Post 139- Sheilded Role Fishing. Indirect attempt, but it’s still rolefishing. Trying to determine whether the buddyers are scum or town indirectly, but he’s disguising it as just a question
Post 256 – Calls out KevinM, who, IMO, has had more input into this game substantial-wise than him.
Post 302- MORE Xonar buddying, trying to convince town that he’s not scum. Claims that flip-floppers are scummy, but also, isn’t the fact that he’s trying to convince the town to switch their opinion on Xonar leading the player into a “scummy” flip-flop?
Post 319 – Calls for actions against Chaco if he would’ve hammered Xonar. Impulsive. Good Post 320 comeback from Omis.
Post 353- Might as well take it up the butt from Xonar. Ryker comes back to say that what Kirbyo says is not town widely agreed opinion.
Post 356- Claims that anybody in the game is a better lynch than Xonar. Desperate to call out people for little, nitpicky things.
The whole Weary, wary thing – anyone with a brain can determine what he was trying to say.
Post 406- Outlines a weird voting “pattern” that doesn’t really reflect the evidence against anyone.
Post 444- Validates the fact that trainers have to be in the same place as pokes to catch, when info is not quite confirmed. Leading town askew.
Post 461- More nitpicking about crap that nobody actually cares about.
Post 498- See 499 for my suspicions as well. Kirbyo cannot see why Xonar isn’t scummy, even though it’s been outlines several times. Skimming or in denial?
Two posts after – calls for Swords lynch. Hasn’t really been established as a case against him except the fact that he layed low during the Xonar thing, which happened with most ppl.
Post 521- My post made total sense, trying to dismiss a case by saying that my post didn’t make any sense is like trying to tell a neurosurgeon that you can do brain surgery because you think you can.
Post 525- Keeping lynching targets open so that he can manipulate it to his wants and needs. That’s why he wants them open.
Post 576- Still trying to lead town to a mindset that the game is set up in HIS speculated way and denounces any other possibilities when it’s entirely obvious that this game may be one of several designed ways.
Post 577- Don’t you ****ing dare. The case against me is miniscule compared to the truckloads of scum you exude every post.
[/Collapse

All in all, I will affirm the point that the case against Kirbyoshi is substantially more developed than the case against I, as well as other possibly lynch candidates. Allow me to elaborate on the posts, if you have any questions on my thinking. Basically, I think that Kirbyoshi is trying to manipulate the mindsets of players into believing that only HIS idea of the structure of this game is the correct one, dismisses possibilities of others, and may be skimming or picking and choosing his quotes to suit his point. He calls for lynches against people who haven't really had cases presented against them, and dismisses those who have strong cases against them (See: Xonar). He's continuinly nitpicking for small things (See, Weary/Wary and Xonar/Zonar) and it's starting to get annoying. He keeps his lynch targets open so that he may manipulate the game to his own will. He avoids the Xonar and Chaco Lynch, presumably, to keep his wild pokemon recruiting options open. His posts contain indiret rolefishing that disguise themselves as questions posted to other players. Mostly, his posts are not relevant to current subjects, as pointed out by many members, including Ryker and Ronike. Although he claims that certain set ups are "lol-able", he believes that his own claims are indeed, quite valid (see: harder to catch stronger pokemon?). He buddys Xonar alot, then claims that Ryker is the one who buddies Xonar.
I'm sure I've missed a few points in this gigantic wall of text here ^ All in all, I'm completely certain that a Kirbyoshi lynch is more substantial than a random lynch "just for the sake of lynching". It is obvious that Kirbyoshi will be no benefit to town (if he's town, which I doubt) if he continues to be as pessimistic, unassuring, and stubborn in his ability to determine scum from town. Please check my notes for further elaboration on points of interest.

For other posts that I feel substantiate a Kirbyo lynch, see:

Ronike's Post 499.
SwordsRBroken's 528
SwordsRBroken's 538.
Ronike's general dislike of Kirbyo is evident. Can't find the post, but he mentioned something about a parallel between his acts in this and Batmanfia.

With that, I will Vote: Kirbyoshi and I urge anyone to please ask questions if they have any concerns with what I've posted, because I'd love an opportunity to prove my innocence.
Gheb, I obviously have not appreciated your tunneling on me now that I'm L-2, but I'm glad you've kicked me into gear. This is Mafia, I've gotta prove my worth, and I feel like, with this post, I've tried my best! :)
 

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Stance, opinion etc. Sorry, it's kinda late here and it's hard for me to find the correct words when I'm lazehhh. My apologies.
 

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Sure, not a problem.

Chibo - I'm not really in favor of lynching him. I could blame him for inactivity, but that can be cast on alot of people, including myself, this game. I'd advise him to keep up his activity level, though, because it might become a problem late game.

Chaco - It was stupid to claim Dratini, then come back with "Oh, I ****ed up. Lynch me". If his claim is true (which, as others pointed out, it would be easy to fake claim, since there are 150 options) than he's a townie and it's never wise to lynch a townie. He isn't a good lynch candidate today because I still believe Kirbyo is the best one. He promised to step up his game, and it's pretty much up to him to stay in this game, cuz if he ****s up again, it's going to come down even harder on hi,

Xonar - Discussion about you has been prominent throughout the entire day. I understand that you are frustrated about this, and I can see that you are trying to remedy the situation, but I still believe that it was somewhat of a telling slip. I would put you at a medium-distance second place for a lynch candidate behind Kirbyoshi.
 

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What do you think about Chibo's 'rolefishing'? and this post:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9842662&postcount=496
Do you think Chaco is lying about being Dratini? Do you think his breadcrumbs are legit?
Do you think I've been scummy besides the slip?
What is your opinion on Swords? Frozen? (mainly his activity, he's doing a hit and run)
What is your stance on Chibo's voting behavior? Staying on the Xonar wagon, going for the Chaco wagon once it got populated and then leaving his vote on me (a safe spot for scum to lay their vote as I have been 'scummy')
What do you think about Chaco voting me all the time? Do you see it as tunnelling? What do you think about his 'aggressive' playstyle he displayed earlier?
 

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I like that MK is finally playing the game, I dislike that it took this much to get this post out of him. I could go with a MK lynch because I'm all for cutting off dead weight, but I want to see where his argument with Kirbyo goes. I only really skimmed it. I'm going to go back over it after posting working in UnCon to provide my opinions on it.

@ Kevin, Kirbyo, and Summoner - Do you think that MK's joke about Hando's role is scummy?

@ Omis, Ronike, and Hando - What do you think of lynching Swords? McFox and Kirbyo have already voiced their opinions on him, I believe.

@ McFox, Gheb, and Chaco - Trainers and Mewtwo should be concerned with self-preservation at all costs. That's a given due to the assumed nature of this game. Lurking is a common strategy for extended survival used by newer players, scum, and sometimes by important roles who hope to stay alive long enough to make a difference. Who do you think is lurking in this game and would who among them would you be willing to lynch?

@ Meta-Kirby, Chibo, Frozen, Xonar, and Swords - In this game, we're assuming that the three factions do not know each other's identities and are each working independently with one member each. Would MK flipping scum affect your view of any other players or the assumed mechanics of the game? If so, would Red/Green or Mewtwo flip make a difference?
 

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@Ryker - What was your reason for asking those specific players those questions?

A lynch flip wouldn't really change my view on others, but I'd probably learn more from Meta's post if I iso him again afterwards. Currently, a flip isn't worth that much, except if it's mewtwo, in which case I will look for potential scum partners, if that's part of the game (which I doubt, but who knows)
 

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I will decline to answer your question until tomorrow, at which point I will explain my motives. I can assure you that it'll make sense then.
 

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Ryker, can you like....rephrase your question for me? I already know I'll flip town if I'm lynched, and if I'm out of the game, I can't really voice my opinion. But, if you're asking who to look at, look at Gheb for me. He's tunneled me since early in the day, and it's going to be interesting as to whether or not he just chooses somebody else to hone in on for D2 or if he'll just recede back into the darkness.
 

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Forgot to edit it before I posted. I wanted to say something like this:

"For MK, take for granted that the wagon swings and Kirbyo is lynched. Same questions apply."
 

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Vote Kirbyoshi
MK always makes me rage

@That guy
Swords is just a dumb player in my book. I dont see much scum in him just inexperience and other nub tells.
 

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Ryker said:
Who do you think is lurking in this game and would who among them would you be willing to lynch?
Omis, frozen, and Summoner stand out the most as being guilty of this. I just checked the "Who's Posted" statistics, and it says Summoner and I have the same number of posts, which surprised me. Maybe Summoner just hasn't been around lately, but I haven't really felt his presence much in this game, regardless. And the only person in this game who has fewer posts than frozen is Omis. Out of these three, I could easily go for Summoner or Omis. I believe someone had brought up some stuff about Summoner (was it Chibo?), and Omis has seemed to be hardcore coasting. The reason I don't want to go for frozen yet is because this has been what he's done lately, regardless of alignment (as far as I've seen). I'd love if we could pull him out more, but I don't see his coasting as being as much of a scumtell as I do on Omis and Summoner.

So, the deadline's in about 12 hours.

In L4Scum, I thought MK was scum. I pushed his lynch hard. Finally, right when he was about to get lynched, he put a bunch of work into his defense and tried to go on the offensive. It was too late, I was already convinced.

MK has followed the exact same pattern to a "T" in this game. It's only now that he's about to get lynched that he steps up his game, and does it harder than I would expect out of scum. Scum deflect arguments, or refute them, but it's rare that scum puts that much work into coming up with a counter-argument on someone else. So, seeing as how this is the case,

Unvote

Vote: Kirbyo
 

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Alright, some kirbyo action, thats what I liked to see!

Unvote Vote: Kirbyo

MK, keep up the contributions. Or die.

I havent been getting any particular scum vibes from swords, but then again haven't been paying too close attention to him due to not getting scum vibes (much of them at least). In a game where I think just about everyone's scummy, this tends to happen.

And lol at "indy team? thats impossible!!!" thats the only indy Ive ever been kirbyo. Really down for his lynch, so lets get goin, cause we only got til NOON, not midnight.
 

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*sigh* I was hoping I would have time to catch up after my tourney tonight but I'm bout to fall asleep at my keyboard. The deadline is tomorrow at noon, and I won't be awake before that. I don't know who to vote for, as I certainly don't want a no lynch.
 

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I'ma play mod and do a vote count to help me see where everyone stands lol

Meta-Kirby (3) Gheb_01, Xonar, Handorin
Chaco (1) Ryker
Xonar (2) Chaco, ChiboSempai
SwordsRbroken (1) Kirbyoshi
Kirbyoshi (6)SwordsRbroken, Meta-Kirby, Omis, McFox, KevinM, Ronike
ChiboSempai (1) SummonerAU

Not voting (1) frozenflame751

8 To Lynch
 

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The reason I don't want to go for frozen yet is because this has been what he's done lately, regardless of alignment (as far as I've seen). I'd love if we could pull him out more, but I don't see his coasting as being as much of a scumtell as I do on Omis and Summoner.
This lil thing caught my eye. Because of what he did recently? FF's only had 2 posts since the 13th, neither of them really being enough to keep up on 7 days worth of posts. I haven't been the most active player either (and plan to be much more so in day 2), but to say you don't want to lynch him because of recently activity? I don't get that. Then again, there's no scum teams yet in the game likely which really confuses me. Perhaps buddying up? idk, it's nothing yet really but it just seemed odd.
 

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Phone post...
I don't mind hammering Kirbyo, but....
I'll wait till morning before I go to church.....but Ill say a few things now that are easy.........
Why are people still talking about buddying on d1....? It isn't much.... Of a tell.....

But now.... I need to sleep.... So I can get up ea..................
 

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I won't be here around the time deadline hits. If you're sure that Kirbyo is the play toDay then you should lynch him regardless of his claim.

@ McFox, Gheb, and Chaco - Trainers and Mewtwo should be concerned with self-preservation at all costs. That's a given due to the assumed nature of this game. Lurking is a common strategy for extended survival used by newer players, scum, and sometimes by important roles who hope to stay alive long enough to make a difference. Who do you think is lurking in this game and would who among them would you be willing to lynch?
The same people who were in my lynchpool earlier: Summoner, Omis and up to now Meta-Kirby. Frozen is also coasting but that's how he often plays, unfortunately. At least he made some noteworthy contributions.

In L4Scum, I thought MK was scum. I pushed his lynch hard. Finally, right when he was about to get lynched, he put a bunch of work into his defense and tried to go on the offensive. It was too late, I was already convinced.

MK has followed the exact same pattern to a "T" in this game. It's only now that he's about to get lynched that he steps up his game, and does it harder than I would expect out of scum. Scum deflect arguments, or refute them, but it's rare that scum puts that much work into coming up with a counter-argument on someone else.
Meta-Kirby never played L4S. You must be talking about Miller's Hollow. You're right though, he didn't react to accusations like that in Scum Wars. TownMeta-Kirby also has a strong tendency to AtE when he's close to a lynch something he's doing now too. He should started to be put effort into this game earlier though :ohwell:

Unvote

Vote Kirbyoshi

Not comfortable with any other lynches currently.
Odd.

Not voting (1) frozenflame751
Hey Frozen I've seen you visiting dGames yesterday and you're still not voting. What's up with that? Don't get on that L4S status again!

Vote Summoner
In case people change their minds about the lynch toDay before deadline hits I'm going to place my vote where I want it to be the most after MKs defense. Would be awesome to see Summoner lynched toDay so if people want to switch I'm ready

Hando is ready to drop the hammer in case you stick with Kirbyo lynch so I guess you don't mind me not voting him.

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