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Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

Xiivi

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Chaco (4) Xonar, Ryker, Ronike, KevinM
Xonar (2) Chaco, Handorin
SwordsRbroken (2) Kirbyoshi, McFox
Meta-Kirby (1) Gheb_01
Kirbyoshi (1) SummonerAU

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frozenflame751, SwordsRbroken, Meta-Kirby, ChiboSempai

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Sunday, March 21st, Noon EST.
 

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Chaco is most likely telling the truth, that's Dratini's base speed stat, and I know my role PM has my base speed stat as it was in the pokedex.
 

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Mine matches as well, but you're not taking into account how easy that is to look up and safeclaims. Does M3D generally give them?
 

#HBC | Ryker

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And if we all agree with Chibo, the statement can go ignored.

Chibo, I asked you first in my #370 anyway. I was never on the Xonar wagon and do not want him to be anywhere near the point a claim would be necessary at this juncture.

What's your answer?
 

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Sorry, I forgot you asked that. I don't see anything wrong with the statement you quoted. It's pretty standard for people to claim when they are under heavy fire to stop from being lynched. While he should hold off as much as he can so important roles aren't outted for trainers to snatch up, it might come down to that.

However, the things we quoted we're quite different. Yours was Xonar asking if he should claim. The one I quoted was him saying his claim wouldn't necessarily be bad for town, which is quite interesting.

Though because of the events earlier in the game I had already asked him to claim a while ago, as has other people.

But at this point with two other people that aren't Ryker claimed (one only claimed a power, the other, Chaco, claimed more) we don't want to out everyone yet lol.

It's likely safe at this point to keep Xonar under wraps and tbh have him be the lynch target from the earlier parts of the game.

Vote: Xonar
 

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And why exactly is that a better idea to lynch him and not let him claim than lynch Chaco who has already claimed if you want to keep the confirmed roles limited for the trainers?
 

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And why exactly is that a better idea to lynch him and not let him claim than lynch Chaco who has already claimed if you want to keep the confirmed roles limited for the trainers?
If Xonar claims and we decide to let him live, then we have two pokemon confirmed for the 3 indies to hit tonight instead of one. I already explained why having Chaco confirmed but alive isn't too bad, since there are two trainers they might both try to target him, in which case I don't know what would happen (would they cancel each other out? only one get him?), or they might both be scared of the situation and try and get someone else, which increases the chance of them hitting the other trainer or Mewtwo, both of which I would assume fail the recruit attempt.

Ryker, what do you plan to do if Xonar claims? Believe it and let him live? Then we're dealing with two confirmed pokemon tonight (at least one of which is fairly strong I assume having 2 evolutions, Chaco's Dratini). Then it's possible for the trainers to get both of them, not a good situation.

What it boils down to is that eventually someone is gonna have to get lynched (unless you wanna no lynch but that would be a bad idea now obv), and everyone is going to claim before they are lynched, and tbh in a game like this - it's not too hard to fake claim. If you're ok with everyone claiming all on the same day Ryker lol, we might as well popcorn claim and then lynch the weakest pokemon lol (btw if you didn't get the sarcasm, that is a TERRIBLE idea).

Too many role claims = too much info for scum.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Ryker, what do you plan to do if Xonar claims? Believe it and let him live? Then we're dealing with two confirmed pokemon tonight (at least one of which is fairly strong I assume having 2 evolutions, Chaco's Dratini). Then it's possible for the trainers to get both of them, not a good situation.
The ideal situation is one where no claim is necessary because Chaco was lynched. Your hypothetical situation takes a lot for granted, including the validity of Chaco's claim.

However, the answer to your question is to play it by ear. You can't possibly know what might happen, so chill on the ultimatums about claiming when you don't have all the info.
 

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If Xonar claims and we decide to let him live, then we have two pokemon confirmed for the 3 indies to hit tonight instead of one. I already explained why having Chaco confirmed but alive isn't too bad, since there are two trainers they might both try to target him, in which case I don't know what would happen (would they cancel each other out? only one get him?), or they might both be scared of the situation and try and get someone else, which increases the chance of them hitting the other trainer or Mewtwo, both of which I would assume fail the recruit attempt.
Or we kill Chaco to get rid of the recruiting WIFOM
 

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Ideal yes, but have you ever been in a mafia game where not a single person claimed before being lynched? Not gonna happen realistically.

I already explained why having one claimed person isnt THAT bad, and having two be claimed is much worse.

Pretty much our options come down to...
1. Lynch Chaco
2. Lynch Xonar
3. Have Xonar claim then lynch Chaco or Xonar

That is, unless we have someone we think is scummier outside of Xonar that can replace him in those situations, but after the earlier events in the game, I certainly don't think so.

Xonar, if your claim isn't necessarily bad to know for the town, why didn't you claim back when you were asked to much earlier in the game?
 

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Maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see how Xonar is scummy at all, other than the post that was mistaken for a scumslip.

Actually, I know I'm not blind, because I see Chibo's sig -___-
 

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I'd be down for a kirby lynch. No really. He's been bugging me, but I thought it was more than just Batmanfia, so I decided to compare his posts in this game with his posts in that. In Batmanfia (where he was VT), most of his posts were letting us know where his head was and occasionally going after someone, whereas in this game, nearly all of his posts fall into three categories: Buddying someone, joking about something and not contributing, and making useless posts randomly calling out nearly everyone at some point. Plus, this whole game he really seems to just be trying to keep his options open, as the only thing he has vocally been against is Xonar lynch. Don't like him, but don't know if he should be the lynch over Xonar or Chaco.
 

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Ronike: If I am scum trying to keep my options open, why am I not actively and vocally for a Chaco lynch? I'd be ok with one, but I would still much rather see Swords go at this point. If I were scum, I would be finding any holes in Chaco's posts I could and exploiting them.
 

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Is it bad that I'm willing to lynch like half the game >_>
Only half?

@Kirby: What part of trying to keep your options open don't you understand? Plus, dude, half of your posts at the beginning of the day were going after Chaco, in addition, it has been looking like Chaco was the play, so why would you go out of your way to incriminate yourself tomorrrow if he's wild? Come on, basic mafia strat there...
 

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I'm a Pokemon. :(

Honestly, all of this talk about Xonar feels like beating a dead horse. And now we have to go through the "should Xonar claim" discussion. I don't have any input because I honestly don't care whether Xonar claims or not. Didn't this happen in HP mafia? Didn't Dumbledore and Ron both claim on D1? How did that end up working out for town? If people are just going to back down from their arguments the second someone claims anyway, why don't we just massclaim right now?[/sarcasm]
 

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This game is not another mafia game. It's different now. Outting 2 pokemon in this would be bad since the scum (well, 2 of the 3) is based on recruiting (Actually, idk anything about HP mafia, was that a recruiting kind?).

If the scum see roles they like, they snatch em up. In a normal game these roles r just killed, now they are killed and added to scum.

@McFox: I'm surprised everyones willing to just throw away most of the early part of the game imo

If neither Xonar or Chaco are the play, then (besides Ronike w/ kirb), who is the play?
 

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Have you even said anything of worth besides constantly reminding the public that you have some individual gripe with me and that you are mad that nobody else shares the same feeling?
Wrong answer, buddy. You're supposed to tell me what good you hoped to achieve by trying to out Handorin as Snorlax.

This game is not another mafia game. It's different now. Outting 2 pokemon in this would be bad since the scum (well, 2 of the 3) is based on recruiting (Actually, idk anything about HP mafia, was that a recruiting kind?).
Then why the hell were you asking people to claim earlier? I explained looooooong ago why claims are iffy in this game - it's because your allignment can change over the course of the game. Did you only realize that now?

If neither Xonar or Chaco are the play, then (besides Ronike w/ kirb), who is the play?
Meta-Kirby and Omis are imo good places to look at. Don't feel like Summoner has done too much either mainly it's because his posts are so small but I'll make sure to reread later with particular focus on his posts.

:059:
 

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Focusing on my posts will reveal that I haven't done anything of note. Just a heads up.
 

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Chibo said:
@McFox: I'm surprised everyones willing to just throw away most of the early part of the game imo

If neither Xonar or Chaco are the play, then (besides Ronike w/ kirb), who is the play?
The problem is that we are still talking about Xonar. This should have been dropped long ago. People have already made up their minds about him one way or the other, and yet he's still the focus of attention. There was almost a diversion, until Chaco decided that he was a rebel and wasn't gonna have none of that "not talking about Xonar" that poeple were suggesting.

Ugh.

I guarantee use that scum is at LEAST using this smokescreen to their own advantage. After all, assuming Xonar's not scum, then all scum has to do is sit back and watch town claim several roles in an attempt not to lynch one of our own. Then, assuming they do have some way of recruiting us from anywhere (I thought of a way, but I won't share that now), they just sit back, comment occasionally, and otherwise lay low, which is not difficult in Xonarmafia - All Xonar, All the Time.

Then toNight, they can go after our claims, or they can do the opposite. I promise you if Chaco is still alive tomorrow, discussion will center heavily on him, and whether or not he has been recruited by one of the trainers. They continue to sit back and not get lynched as we further convolute things.

Yes, there are different elements to this game, but I think the best way to combat Mass Player Confusion is to just play it normally. We are still looking for scum to lynch. We still vote out one player per day. At least some people have powers that can be used at night. These are the things that are relevant to me. And a lot of this other stuff that's being discussed just serves to muddy up the issues and make things more headache-inducing, instead of making the game more clear.

We need some clarity.

I'd need to reread to look into anyone else. I'm still perfectly willing to lynch Swords, given my aforementioned reasons + he hasn't done anything to improve my feelings about him. That's good enough for me right now.

If anyone is planning a reread, PLEASE take special precautions to avoid talking about Xonar in your post. Talk about how other people interacted with Xonar, fine, but if you just want to talk about something Xonar did or didn't do that was or wasn't scummy, I'm really not interested. We need a new discussion, a discussion about anyone except him.

"Hey, you're defending Xonar, ya card-carrying scum!"

I'm just tired of hearing about him. Anything anyone else has to say about Xonar would have to be ridiculously insightful in order to accomplish adding any kind of meaningful dialogue to his scumminess. So please just spare us.

@Summoner - that was... a terrible post. In every sense of the word.
 

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The problem is that we are still talking about Xonar. This should have been dropped long ago. People have already made up their minds about him one way or the other, and yet he's still the focus of attention. There was almost a diversion, until Chaco decided that he was a rebel and wasn't gonna have none of that "not talking about Xonar" that poeple were suggesting.

Ugh.

I guarantee use that scum is at LEAST using this smokescreen to their own advantage. After all, assuming Xonar's not scum, then all scum has to do is sit back and watch town claim several roles in an attempt not to lynch one of our own. Then, assuming they do have some way of recruiting us from anywhere (I thought of a way, but I won't share that now), they just sit back, comment occasionally, and otherwise lay low, which is not difficult in Xonarmafia - All Xonar, All the Time.

If anyone is planning a reread, PLEASE take special precautions to avoid talking about Xonar in your post. Talk about how other people interacted with Xonar, fine, but if you just want to talk about something Xonar did or didn't do that was or wasn't scummy, I'm really not interested. We need a new discussion, a discussion about anyone except him.
Frozenflame actually was the first to try to divert the attention, after his plead for town to do so, Chaco continued hammering on me.

Share it please.

Should be corrected to 'Xonar's slip', because I'd love to hear other arguments.
 

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I guess there's no actual harm in sharing. My idea was that the trainers could have a beefed-up Pokeradar. Pokeradar helps you to find specific Pokemon you're looking for. In Diamond (at least when I used it), specific areas had specific Pokemon that would appear when you used the radar; some of those Pokemon ONLY appeared if you used the radar. My hunch is that it would be entirely within the scope of a mafia game to expand this device's use, and let you find specific Pokemon. If you were looking for, say, Dratini, it might tell you what area it was last spotted in, for instance.

This is all just me thinking aloud, but I just wanted to put it out there that I shouldn't have been so quick with my earlier assumption that trainers would have to randomly encounter us to recruit us.
 

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EBWOP: However, I don't want to start a discussion on whether or not this could or could not be correct, because as I was getting at in my earlier post, it's mostly irrelevent to me. As town, we need to

1) Find scum
2) Lynch scum

in that order. If we do that correctly, we really don't have to worry about any of that other stuff.
 

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Personally, I have never really thought that area would be a limiting factor to the recruits, nor would I count on it at all. And random recruits? No, really REALLY don't think thats likely at all.
 

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Conjecture on the subject at this point is just that, conjecture. Nothing can be proven, so, imo, it's much better to assume the worst and act as if they don't have to do anything and just have to tell Tom, "Recruit Ryker."
 

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Did you only realize that now?
Pretty much, yea. :/

@McFox: By all means I want to talk about other people. We should. But on determining a lynch candidate we can't forget about him from earlier. I was bringing up Xonar in my thoughts about who we should lynch. I wasn't discussing anything about his play earlier, I was talking about our end day plan, which included both Xonar and Chaco.
 

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McFox said:
I'm still perfectly willing to lynch Swords, given my aforementioned reasons + he hasn't done anything to improve my feelings about him. That's good enough for me right now.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you. Swords has been laying low during most of the Xonar discussion, only injecting his opinion when it looked like Xonar was done being grilled. Scummy imo.
 

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My thoughts exactly. Thank you. Swords has been laying low during most of the Xonar discussion, only injecting his opinion when it looked like Xonar was done being grilled. Scummy imo.
And you aren't? You still have yet to reply to Ronike's post against you, you've been pretty useless so far. Sheeping Mcfox will not get you anywhere. this is not OMGUS, but i like ronike's case against you and would be willing to lynch you. You have not brought up a defense either, which makes you seem even scummier.
 

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Maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see how Xonar is scummy at all, other than the post that was mistaken for a scumslip.

Actually, I know I'm not blind, because I see Chibo's sig -___-
"Officer, I saw him walking away from the scene with a gun RIGHT AFTER I heard gun shots. I don't think it was him though, because he's actually a really nice guy and does all this good stuff. It can't possibly be him."

Didn't this happen in HP mafia? Didn't Dumbledore and Ron both claim on D1?
I, Dumbledore, didn't claim D1. I was killed that night, and was cleared the next day when I was revived, then I was recruited.
 

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Maybe I'm blind, but I still don't see how Xonar is scummy at all, other than the post that was mistaken for a scumslip.

Actually, I know I'm not blind, because I see Chibo's sig -___-
>_>
No matter if it's pertininent to the current discussion, and I know we are trying to move away from discussing Xonar, but this is kind of stupid. Yes, you're blind...because it took up a vast majority of the first part of the day....and actually, it still lingers a little bit now, so how didn't you see it? "I don't see how he's scummy at all, except that one post, where he was scummy".

>_>
^--again, for emphasis, I'm making that face right now. Big FoS: Kirbyoshi.
 
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