shrinkray21
Smash Ace
With the entire argument for charizard gimping olly with flamethrowing...you do know that Olly's SAF frames last the entire duration of flamethrower...so unless you are really sneaky with it...its not a godsend...
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In my opinion, Nair is not a so bad approaching since the attack lasts long enough to short hop into it and measure. If the first hit connects, let it attack (I use to bullet seed after it, works on heavy characters). If not, just DI away while you are still hitting. I don't master this technique, but I practice it and seems rather useful to me.Ivy shouldn't be approaching aerialy, anyway. If he does, Nair is horrible considering it's amazingly easy to shield grab, but the spacing provided by auto-canceled Fair is not that bad as an approach option.
Vine Whip is too slow.I played against a good one and he was just another target for Vinewhips SS.
and also has twice the lag.Razor Leaf is a tad bit faster than a baby Sphere...
Ground Vine Whip > Air Vine WhipVine Whip is too slow.
Airdodge.
Yeah but then you wouldn't get to have the Pokemon references!Excellent work. If i could suggest something you should allow for a bigger range for the matchup chart key. Simply because the spectrum is too short.
Advantage, Neutral, Disadvantage.
should be
Huge Advantage, Advantage, Slight Advantage, Neutral, Slight Disadvantage, Disadvantage, Huge Disadvantage.
and if you want to go a step further and copy phannas matchup chart which i'm too lazy to find.
Not all that great? Are you kidding me? His rolls are easily the best in the entire game. They get into their invincibility practically instantly... but honestly, I'm not trying to say Lucario is the best ever and completely shuts down Ivysaur, but to say he's got a bad match up against Ivysaur is ludicrous.Okay they way I see it is that the Lucario that you just brought up has some sort of Psychic powers. Almost every attack is dodged. Lucario does have decent dodging abilities but it not all that great truth be told. In addition these Lucarios are gonna end up rolling right into you setting themselves up for Bullet seed.
On top of that Ivysaur is actually a light wait in terms of weight so the up tilt juggling doesnt work so well. Admittedly Forward tilt does have range over Ivy but I doubt that forward tilts are gonna end up killing Ivysaur anyway.
Vine whip is the single hardest move to actually predict off someone who your playing against the first time. Most PT players only use Vine whip to get back to the stage. Pokemon trainers know Ivysaur has it and still get surprised when someone pulls it out.
Which brings me back to edgeguarding . Ivysaur can easily destroy Lucarios edgeguarding game with well planed Razor leafs and Fairs. On both returning to the edge Ivy has Lucario out flanked due to the intail start up time of extreme speed which vine whip has a higher priorty over.
Lucarios smashes are amongst the slower in the game meaning Ivysaur can out smash him if it ever came to that
Jiggles won't be staying in the air, where she can actually do stuff, with ivysaur though. She is infact the lightest character, and let's see, Ivysaur usually gets kills by UP B, USmash, Fair, Uair, and Fsmash, and maybe if they get too high, Uthrow. 1/2 of them kill the air. Jiggles can approach with F-air, Ivysaur can Shield grab that. Jiggles uses roll out, Ivysaur uses Razor leaf, and i think they cancel out not sure though. Seeing that mainly jiggles should be killed vertically, ivysaur can eaisly do that.This is just from experience, but I find squirtle is good against jigglypuff. They have a similar air game, but squirtle hits harder. When I battle jigglypuff mainers, I tend to gain the advantage when I'm squirtle. Also, withdraw beats rollout, which is always a plus. Finally, jiggs has a hard time resting squirtle, due to his size. Ivy and Char both are pretty big, so they can be hit a lot.
I was thinking about this, and I was surprised you didn't mention it.The other thing about lucarcio was that if i tried to U-air him, he would D-air me, so basically that wasn't even worth it.
that will work, that helps proves that lucarcio is weak against ivysaur,I was thinking about this, and I was surprised you didn't mention it.
Lucarios are fond of their d-air.
So say a Lucario is above you. You jump to u-air them and--
Bullet seed.
..?
yeah, i try to punish with a u smash, it worked wellI've been playing a Lucario recently, I always just Bullet Seed the roll if its coming up behind me. =/
Otherwise, I would just Ftilt him if he's going to roll between my Razor Leaf. Rolling is punishable very easily if spammed.
Right now I am thinking that squirtle start -> ivysaur kill -> Charizard left to die? I don't know, what do you guys think?Blue sHell said:Pokémon Trainer: Squirtle + 6-4
Pokémon Trainer: Ivysaur + 7-3
Charizard+ 6-4
Squirtle has a hard time killing him, Ivysaur gets edgegaurded disgustingly + gets overwhelmed up close. Charizard has a very nice keep away, but gets caught in combos that are almost funny.
Ivy- NOt Effective. The only thing good ivy has is her B here. She can't really kill with F Smash because of bowser's weight and great horizontal recoveryI have a quick question. How is Bowser a bad match up for Ivysaur. I've never fought a decent Bowser but on paper it seems that Ivy can tear Bowsy a new hole to spit fire out of.