Playing Ganondorf in Brawl+ and How to Continue Murdering People

[IC3R]

Also, the Wizard Kick now spikes on both aerial hitboxes...

It does?

Ganondorf needs to be able to keep pressure on the opponent all while predicting their next move. It's tough but each hit he connects with is like getting hit by a bus full of fat kids...eating cake.

lol


I was unaware the WizKick always spikes now...

 

[luvs2pluck]

The thing is, he could have teched the VERY LAST Dair on all of those stocks and he didn't, and it's really easy to tech now (just hold the darned button down when you're near the ground). SO, no johns.

ok I'm sure I must be missing something here. You're telling me chibo could have teched the dairs at 38 sec and 52 sec, how? The only missed techs he had were at 11 sec, 47 sec, and 1:04, none of which led into the skyride.

I'm 99% percent sure you cant tech while standing/rolling on the ground and hit by a dair.

 

[Revven]

ok I'm sure I must be missing something here. You're telling me chibo could have teched the dairs at 38 sec and 52 sec, how? The only missed techs he had were at 11 sec, 47 sec, and 1:04, none of which led into the skyride.

I'm 99% percent sure you cant tech while standing/rolling on the ground and hit by a dair.

Not the grounded ones that launch him, the ones where he gets hit up and then Vex hits him down again which led to the next one that shot him up into the Skyride.

It's avoidable by teching.

 

[GameSystem]

Try not to think that Ganon is OP or anything. If you look in the first few seconds of the match, Falco was winning with lasers and shield pressure. Then he ruined it and decided to approach. The match is still in Falco's favor.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Not the grounded ones that launch him, the ones where he gets hit up and then Vex hits him down again which led to the next one that shot him up into the Skyride.

It's avoidable by teching.

If I stomp him at 40 on the ground I can short hop overb, u cannot escape this once ur stomped because of hitstun.

 

[CloneHat]

Is it possible to tech the second dair? The one where he hits him back down?

 

[IC3R]

Yes, CloneHat, which is what SMK has been trying to say...
He just worded it all weird-like >_>


Yeah, Chibo had the match with Laser pressure, but decided to approach instead.
Vex then proceeded to ****. Chibo didn't tech a single Stomp at all, and took a one-way flight on Ganon Airlines...

Sheeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooh.....*CRASH!!!!*

 

[CloneHat]

Yes, CloneHat, which is what SMK has been trying to say...
He just worded it all weird-like >_>


Yeah, Chibo had the match with Laser pressure, but decided to approach instead.
Vex then proceeded to ****. Chibo didn't tech a single Stomp at all, and took a one-way flight on Ganon Airlines...

Sheeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooh.....*CRASH!!!!*

He teched the ones after, at high percent, but not the 2nd ones.
Nice match summary!

 

[leafgreen386]

Honestly, it looks like it would've been way more effective to just fair him and edgeguard lol

Pretty much every time vex pulled that off, he had already dealt a fair bit of damage to chibo, and he (vex) was at a relatively low percent. Really, this "skyride combo" is just something flashy you should only be pulling off once in a while, when it would be advantageous for you to give up a stock in order to take your opponent down. If you're at a low percent just **** them like you normally would =/

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Honestly, it looks like it would've been way more effective to just fair him and edgeguard lol

Pretty much every time vex pulled that off, he had already dealt a fair bit of damage to chibo, and he (vex) was at a relatively low percent. Really, this "skyride combo" is just something flashy you should only be pulling off once in a while, when it would be advantageous for you to give up a stock in order to take your opponent down. If you're at a low percent just **** them like you normally would =/

or, say if im at 4 stocks 100%, and my opponent is at 3 stocks 40-50ish %, dair overb done.

 

[leafgreen386]

or, say if im at 4 stocks 100%, and my opponent is at 3 stocks 40-50ish %, dair overb done.

Well, yes, in this case, it would be undoubtedly advantageous to trade stocks. But if you were only at like 20-30% then you'd probably be better off just going for the edgeguard.

 

[Plum]

Honestly, it looks like it would've been way more effective to just fair him and edgeguard lol

Pretty much every time vex pulled that off, he had already dealt a fair bit of damage to chibo, and he (vex) was at a relatively low percent. Really, this "skyride combo" is just something flashy you should only be pulling off once in a while, when it would be advantageous for you to give up a stock in order to take your opponent down. If you're at a low percent just **** them like you normally would =/

Well if you know the spacing well enough, you could figure out where it will spike them down while Ganondorf stays on the stage.
While unrealistic, it is possible to know where it will work and only use it then.

 

[GameSystem]

Skyriding ***** their pride. Whenever you set that up, it destroys their confidence and makes them play worse. The same can be said with falcon punches and stuff. Also it's really cool looking. I vote skyriding for greatest new combo created in brawl+.

 

[Sterowent]

Holy hell, i Knew this was possible! Just could never get the timing. it's not hard to time, i'd imagine though.

seeing it in action is really...intensely awesome though. his dair spacing is great too, with the auto-canceling.

this is, like...ganon's dthrow to knee. except he dies.

...Usually.

 

[GHNeko]

Dair to over B is old. Its like one of the things we first found out with momentum. XD


And lol @ chibo being an aggressive falco against a thunderstomp happy ganon. XD

 

[goodoldganon]

Ok guys, the video was cool and all and the technique can be situational useful. Let's get back on topic though. Back to C. Falcon.

 

[CloneHat]

Shoulder barge breaks all of Falcon's attacks, and lets you combo him.

 

[GameSystem]

Ganon Forward B beats falcon's forward b. It hurts their pride.

 

[CT Chia]

yea i understand i didnt tech as much as i shoulda lol, my timing was off. it was the first brawl+ friendly we had after a couple days of melee training and playing at SPOC7. but no johns. once i miss one tech your guaranteed another hit with a missed tech due to timing, but either way, when ur hit on the ground with a dair and you up... you cant tech that, which is the start of the skyride combo.

 

[Zook]

I just got Brawl+, and I have to say that Ganondorf has to be my favorite character thusfar. Fair is too good.

And I nearly creamed my pants when I got off a Choke->Dtilt-> Fair combo.

 

[UncleSam]

Dair is absolute **** with Ganon, I can't get enough of him since I got brawl+
Dthrow>Upsmash>Dair
simply amazing

 

[kupo15]

once i miss one tech your guaranteed another hit with a missed tech due to timing, but either way, when ur hit on the ground with a dair and you up... you cant tech that, which is the start of the skyride combo.

This is the point when you start DIing because that will save you just as well as teching would. And you can DI pretty far away.

Its not an OP combo because if he pulls itt off at low percents, then it won't cide if you DI towards the center of the stage because he is low to the ground and at higher percents, he cant even pull it off if you DI correctly.

 

[Shell]

I made this artist's rendition of the new wizkick in Brawl+. I think it would make an insightful addition to the guide:

Discuss.

 

[Shadic]

Not powerful enough.

 

[goodoldganon]

Great picture SHeLL.

Ganondorf is getting some tweaks here and there in the next sets so I will hold off from updating on the guide for the time being.

 

[ZeonStar]

I made this artist's rendition of the new wizkick in Brawl+. I think it would make an insightful addition to the guide:

Discuss.

TOO GOOD.


102guds

 

[CloneHat]

NICE PICTURE!

Also, I just saw a video, and someone used Wizkick off the stage, then turned around with a Murder choke. Mindgames!

 

[stRIP]

That Wizkick buff, in which the wizkick hits like a truck full of fat kids eating cake, is in 4.1 right?

Because its not in the 4.0 version im using :<

 

[Shell]

Yeah, it's in 4.1. Come to the IRC and check it out.

 

[matt4300]

I made this artist's rendition of the new wizkick in Brawl+. I think it would make an insightful addition to the guide:

Discuss.

winner of DWYP (draw with your power) gannon week

 

[stRIP]

Yeah, it's in 4.1. Come to the IRC and check it out.

not good...im european and need PAL version of the codes

Would be nice if some1 links the IRC chat, sry 4 offtopic

edit: ok got the IRC

 

[Zook]

I'm thinking that I just might have to move Ganondorf from a secondary to a main now. He's just that amazing. A character this powerful shouldn't be able to combo this well.

Vs Ike:

Side B -> Dtilt -> Forward Smash off the ledge -> Dair

 

[leafgreen386]

I'm thinking that I just might have to move Ganondorf from a secondary to a main now. He's just that amazing. A character this powerful shouldn't be able to combo this well.

Vs Ike:

Side B -> Dtilt -> Forward Smash off the ledge -> Dair

Every hit in that string is easily escapable. lol

SideB can be teched now, so sideB -> dtilt is not a combo.

 

[kupo15]

I'm thinking that I just might have to move Ganondorf from a secondary to a main now. He's just that amazing. A character this powerful shouldn't be able to combo this well.

Vs Ike:

Side B -> Dtilt -> Forward Smash off the ledge -> Dair

His momentum is very unganonlike.

Shields from leaf's flaming breath

 

[goodoldganon]

His momentum is very unganonlike.

Shields from leaf's flaming breath

It's awesome to see Ganondorf fly so far. He is a stout old man and jumps like a track star.

 

[leafgreen386]

His momentum is very unganonlike.

Shields from leaf's flaming breath

Haha. His momentum is awesome. One of my favorite things with ganon in brawl+ is flying across the stage with a fist full of **** about to be hammered down on my opponent's head.

 

[kupo15]

It's awesome to see Ganondorf fly so far. He is a stout old man and jumps like a track star.

I think it might constitute a little bit to him being quite powerful. He can have more than melee, but I think the setting is too high for now. He isn't falcon >_<

 

[leafgreen386]

I think it might constitute a little bit to him being quite powerful. He can have more than melee, but I think the setting is too high for now. He isn't falcon >_<

Because ganon is clearly vb metaknight tier right now, right? The momentum really lends itself well to ganon's playstyle.

 

[kupo15]

Because ganon is clearly vb metaknight tier right now, right? The momentum really lends itself well to ganon's playstyle.

Momentum lends well to ganon but it would appear he gets the same momentum as falcon. 85% works pretty well for ganon anyway. We should buff the tipman spike kb

 

[Zook]

Every hit in that string is easily escapable. lol

SideB can be teched now, so sideB -> dtilt is not a combo.

I don't care, I just like trying to use that 'combo' because it looks cool. lol