Platform Fighter Exploration Thread: Round 117: General RAAM

[fogbadge]

no noms for me? well i brought that on myself

 

[Paraster]

15 noms to Chell.

 

[Gengar84]

15 noms to Predator

I’m a big Fire Emblem fan but I don’t really know much about Heroes since I don’t follow mobile games. Do you guys envision Kiran’s moveset involving summoning various FE characters throughout the series to perform different attacks? That’s the first thing that comes to mind when I think of FE Heroes.

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Scizor ×5

I whipped up some FEH Spirit Battles a while back, and Kiran is one of them.

Spoiler: Fire Emblem Heroes

View attachment 302506	Kiran (Fire Emblem Heroes) Class: ★★★★ Type: Support (Neutral) Cost: ⬡ Effect: Assist Killer Puppet Fighter: (Color 8) Minions: x2 (Colors 1 and 2) x2 (Colors 1 and 2) x2 (Colors 1 and 2) (default) (default) x2 (Colors 1 and 2) (default) Stage: Music Track: Fire Emblem Theme (Heroic Origins) Match: Horde battle (12 enemies) Conditions: Hostile Assist Trophies (Lyn, Tiki and Black Knight) Defeat an army of fighters The enemy will suddenly have a Final Smash
View attachment 302504	Alfonse (Fire Emblem Heroes) Class: ★★ Type: Primary (Attack) Slots: ⬡⬡ Effect: Critical Hit + Puppet Fighter: (Color 7) Stage: Coliseum Music Track: Prelude (Ablaze) Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The enemy's sword attacks have increased power The enemy starts the battle with Death's Scythe
View attachment 302507	Sharena (Fire Emblem Heroes) Class: ★ Type: Support (Shield) Cost: ⬡ Effect: Fairy Bottle Equipped Puppet Fighter: (Color 4) Stage: Music Track: Saria's Song / Middle Boss Battle Match: Stock (1) Conditions: The floor is sleep inducing The enemy loves to taunt
View attachment 302505	Anna (Fire Emblem Heroes) Class: ★★★ Type: Support (Grab) Cost: ⬡ Effect: Weapon Attack + Puppet Fighter: (Color 4) Stage: Arena Ferox Music Track: Gear Up For... Match: Stamina (170HP) Conditions: Stamina battle The enemy favors special moves The enemy's melee weapons have increased power

 

[DanganZilla5]

Noms: Vectorman x25

 

[Yiptap]

Noms: Jack Frost x 15

 

[amageish]

I’m a big Fire Emblem fan but I don’t really know much about Heroes since I don’t follow mobile games. Do you guys envision Kiran’s moveset involving summoning various FE characters throughout the series to perform different attacks? That’s the first thing that comes to mind when I think of FE Heroes.

Probably the best move, yeah... More recent modes have had the Summoner be able to transform the summoning-gun into an axe, lance, sword, and tome, but that would kind of just be Byleth with a mobile game coat of paint...

Delzethin does have a pretty good pitch for their kit!

 

[Gengar84]

Probably the best move, yeah... More recent modes have had the Summoner be able to transform the summoning-gun into an axe, lance, sword, and tome, but that would kind of just be Byleth with a mobile game coat of paint...

Delzethin does have a pretty good pitch for their kit!

That’s cool. I’ve always liked summoner style characters and this could give us a chance to see FE characters that wouldn’t have made the cut otherwise like Tharja or Dimitri.

I used to watch Delzethins’s videos and he comes up with some really interesting movesets. I’ll check this later today.

 

[Dan Quixote]

10 noms to Commander Shepard my dudes

So I have not really fallen into the Fire Emblem Heroes craze yet but I have heard that the summoner wields a gun. The gun fires heroes apparently which makes total sense but would it still fit for a projectile-based run-and-gun style fighter instead of the summoning that I hear about a lot?

 

[fogbadge]

what sort of stage would kiran have? anything really stand outish which would be odd for fe

The gun fires heroes apparently which makes total sense

a move similar to something i imagined earthworm jim having

 

[Yiptap]

I can't speak much here, but the most I can say is that Kiran as a summoner seems really cool.

 

[GolisoPower]

Question about Kiran: how much of his set would be "summoner"?

Like, Duck Hunt only has one Special where he summons the Wild Gunman, while Olimar's moveset entirely revolves around Pikmin that he can summon at will. But what about Kiran? I dunno how to implement his summoning gimmicks while making him not too gimmicky.

 

[Perkilator]

Oh, wait, I thought of some potential specials for Kiran!

B : Summon Ally; Kiran summons either Alfonse, Sharena or Anna to assist them

• Alfonse uses Sol, which heals Kiran half the damage it deals
• Sharena uses Rally, which temporarily boosts Kiran's stats
• Anna uses Astra, where she goes trigger happy with her axe, Nóatun

B + Forwards : Daylight; With the help of Alfonse, Kiran thrusts forward bathed in light. Kiran can let go by holding B.
B + Up : Rally Defense; With the help of Sharena, Kiran jumps up and lands towards the ground. Holding B has Sharena toss Kiran higher into the air.
B + Down : Night Sky; With the help of Anna, Kiran borrows Nóatun to spin around. Tapping B instead has Anna deliver a single, powerful strike.

Final Smash: Order of Heroes; Kiran fires a beam that traps up to 4 opponents, who are then taken into a cutscene where Alfonse, Sharena and Anna all attack them before Kiran finishes with a giant orb of light.

The Summon attack cycles between Alfonse, Sharena and Anna, whose FEH sprites are shown on Kiran's HUD. Only one ally can be summoned at a time, and each one has a 5-second cooldown before they can be summoned again.

 

[Dan Quixote]

Oh here's something. What would Kiran's alternate costumes be like? They've added customization recently to FEH as far as I've heard. Would it be a Robin situation where it's a default male and female model colored differently, would they have totally different hairstyles and faces, or would the hood just be up the whole time?

 

[GolisoPower]

Oh here's something. What would Kiran's alternate costumes be like? They've added customization recently to FEH as far as I've heard. Would it be a Robin situation where it's a default male and female model colored differently, would they have totally different hairstyles and faces, or would the hood just be up the whole time?

I'd imagine they'd be more based on the FEH-original characters, so a blue robe based on Fjorm and a black one based on Veronica, for example.

 

[Perkilator]

Oh here's something. What would Kiran's alternate costumes be like? They've added customization recently to FEH as far as I've heard. Would it be a Robin situation where it's a default male and female model colored differently, would they have totally different hairstyles and faces, or would the hood just be up the whole time?

I think for the sake of simplicity, have the hood up all times, but have the outfit's color based on different characters and kingdoms.

1. Askr (default)
2. Emblia (black)
3. Nifl (cyan)
4. Múspell (red)
5. Air (black/white)
6. Lif (black/blue)
7. Peony (green/orange)
8. Plumeria (purple/white)

 

[amageish]

Okay, we seem to have collected a bunch of questions, so lemme give 'em my best shot.

That’s cool. I’ve always liked summoner style characters and this could give us a chance to see FE characters that wouldn’t have made the cut otherwise like Tharja or Dimitri.

I used to watch Delzethins’s videos and he comes up with some really interesting movesets. I’ll check this later today.

Yeah, it'd definitely make for a good cameo cavalcade!

Hopefully you enjoy the video!

So I have not really fallen into the Fire Emblem Heroes craze yet but I have heard that the summoner wields a gun. The gun fires heroes apparently which makes total sense but would it still fit for a projectile-based run-and-gun style fighter instead of the summoning that I hear about a lot?

I mean, yeah, the gun can also fire Bullets But Magic[TM], though I don't think Kiran being a full-time gunner would suit the character. More of a "Gunner for neutrals; summoner for specials" situation...

what sort of stage would kiran have? anything really stand outish which would be odd for fe

Well, let's rundown our options! FEH's main Kingdom is named Askr, which is largely your standard fantasy kingdom-place. It's rival kingdom is named Embla (I know, very clever name) and it is largely your standard fantasy kingdom-place, but ~25% more evil.

Book two introduced Nifl and Muspell, the Kingdoms of Ice and Fire, respectively.

Book three introduced Hel, the land of the dead.

Book four introduced Ljósálfheimr and Dökkálfheimr, lands of Sweet Dreams and Nightmares, respectively.

Book five introduced Niðavellir and Jötunheimr, Kingdoms of Metal and of Giants.

Book six introduced... nothing new, actually. It's back to Embla.

So, yeah, pick whichover of those are interesting, I guess...

Like, Duck Hunt only has one Special where he summons the Wild Gunman, while Olimar's moveset entirely revolves around Pikmin that he can summon at will. But what about Kiran? I dunno how to implement his summoning gimmicks while making him not too gimmicky.

Kiran generally uses one

Oh here's something. What would Kiran's alternate costumes be like? They've added customization recently to FEH as far as I've heard. Would it be a Robin situation where it's a default male and female model colored differently, would they have totally different hairstyles and faces, or would the hood just be up the whole time?

There are more then enough canon unique designs to give 8 canon outfits, but... I'm actually going to say that we should go with one hooded gender-ambiguous design! It'll make for more alts that can actually be distinguished from each other at a glance.

 

[fogbadge]

Okay, we seem to have collected a bunch of questions, so lemme give 'em my best shot.



Yeah, it'd definitely make for a good cameo cavalcade!

Hopefully you enjoy the video!



I mean, yeah, the gun can also fire Bullets But Magic[TM], though I don't think Kiran being a full-time gunner would suit the character. More of a "Gunner for neutrals; summoner for specials" situation...



Well, let's rundown our options! FEH's main Kingdom is named Askr, which is largely your standard fantasy kingdom-place. It's rival kingdom is named Embla (I know, very clever name) and it is largely your standard fantasy kingdom-place, but ~25% more evil.

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Book two introduced Nifl and Muspell, the Kingdoms of Ice and Fire, respectively.

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Book three introduced Hel, the land of the dead.

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Book four introduced Ljósálfheimr and Dökkálfheimr, lands of Sweet Dreams and Nightmares, respectively.

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Book five introduced Niðavellir and Jötunheimr, Kingdoms of Metal and of Giants.

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Book six introduced... nothing new, actually. It's back to Embla.

So, yeah, pick whichover of those are interesting, I guess...



Kiran generally uses one



There are more then enough canon unique designs to give 8 canon outfits, but... I'm actually going to say that we should go with one hooded gender-ambiguous design! It'll make for more alts that can actually be distinguished from each other at a glance.

those ice kingdom, good dreams and nightmare places look like they could be good stages. Better than the four we have even

 

[GolisoPower]

Oh, right, my noms!

Ahri x15

 

[amageish]

And I think we can call it here. Another good discussion and another week done, everyone! And here's the next 10 characters locked in for discussion.

1. Odie (NASB) - x105
2. Scizor - x100
3. Predator - x90
4. Commander Shepard - x75
5. God Eater Rep - x75
6. Shovel Knight - x75
7. Isaac (Golden Sun) - x70
8. Mash Kyrielight - x70
9. Rangi (NASB) - x70
10 Vectorman - x70

Four-way tie for 7th place! Not bad, eh?

Though, to be fair, I did purposefully not break the tie as I figured most people would rather spend time nominating new topics then continue to push the four that almost made it last week into the top 7...

That means this is the current nom list.

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
Opa-Opa - x55
Chell - x52

26-50 noms
Bubsy - x50
2B - x40
Max (Shining Force) - x40
Jack Frost - x40
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
Jason Frudnick - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Ahri - x25
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Rango (NASB) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Carl Johnson - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

And the current list of usable noms is as follows:

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
Gengar84 - x15
Perkilator - x35
amageish - x25
Dan Quixote - x15
fogbadge - x10
GolisoPower - x15

In place of the usual music sampler, here's the Garfield Christmas Special. Happy holidays, everyone!

 

[fogbadge]

aha allow me: odie, garfield's long suffering "friend" whom he cares about more than he'll admit. an unusual mixed breed, his mother was beagul his father was a brick. but then he may not be as stupid as he acts. now how would he fight? with his absurd tongue. a recurring theme with odie is that his tongue can stretch in a way only possible in comics and cartoons. so imagine him using his tongue the way the belmonts use their whip and youll get the idea. other possibilities include crashing into other characters and dingleballs. so im thinking tongue for the stronger A moves, dingleball and ear attacks for B and crashing into things for Y

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I made an Odie moveset ages ago, before NASB released actually so we didn't know how movesets worked in it - thus it has elements like side specials and burial that don't exist in NASB. I would absolutely love Odie in NASB either way, quadrupedal fighters are really cool and Odie's perpetually drooping tongue gives him a "hand" to "punch" with compared to quadrupeds in other fighters.

 

[fogbadge]

stages are a bit hard for me to do as i havent watched the cartoons as much as ive read the comics. if it was me id try and make a stage that looks like a 3 panel comic. but i suppose the natural choice is jon's house, perhaps on the table hes always getting kicked off. or i seem to recall in the first cartoon there was a mad scientist who wanted to make robot duplicates of odie so perhaps his lab could work

bare with me on the noms as im still picking who next

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Perhaps Odie's stage could be an "Odie's Dream" counterpart to the Garfield dream stage? Maybe instead of a lasagna it's a bone with two upwards slopes to the side?

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Azura ×5

 

[Gengar84]

Noms: 15

Alphen and/or Shionne

I was thinking a tag mechanic like Pyra and Mythra would be fun but either one on their own would be great too.

 

[Yiptap]

Noms: Jack Frost x 5

I know there aren't ATs in NASB, but here's my take for an AT if there was one (Also works for Garfield)...

Garfield/Odie "Assist Trophy": Jon Arbuckle
He would appear in the background and toss out lasagna healing items. A very simple AT.

 

[GolisoPower]

So Odie would be an interesting character to play as.

I imagine him being quite an oddball character who likes to get up in people's faces, almost like the very affectionate dog he is.

Noms:
All in on Ahri

 

[fogbadge]

as much as i love odie im guessing we should move on

 

[Perkilator]

Well, this thread's kinda been dead again.

 

[fogbadge]

Well, this thread's kinda been dead again.

give the boss a chance, they might be busy

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's Christmas time. People are going to be hyper busy, after all, heh~

 

[amageish]

Hello! Sorry, here's some nominations...

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
Opa-Opa - x55
Chell - x52

26-50 noms
Bubsy - x50
Jack Frost - x45
2B - x40
Ahri - x40
Max (Shining Force) - x40
Jonesy - x37
Azura - x35
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
Jason Frudnick - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Taliyah - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Alphen and/or Shionne - x15
Rango (NASB) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Carl Johnson - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

In terms of my personal noms... I'm going to put them towards Taliyah.

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
Dan Quixote - x15
fogbadge - x30
Wario Wario Wario - x20
Yiptap - x10

Next up is Scizor! While Scizor in particular isn't in it, I'm going to keep up the Christmas special theme for another day and post the Pokemon winter games in place of a music sampler....

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I will put all my noms towards Bubsy

 

[Schnee117]

Scizor's final smash is easy thanks to Pokken

Honestly a lot of what it does in Pokken would be really cool to see and there'd be some more Johto music to come with it

 

[fogbadge]

noms go to stella from spiritfarer

 

[Perkilator]

OOOH, I've been waiting for this!

Scizor
is Here to Trade Blows!

Spoiler: Background info

Debut: Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver (1999)

Scizor (ハッサム Hassam) is the evolution of Scyther. It's normally obtained by trading a Scyther with an item called the Metal Coat and letting it evolve.

In Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, it was one of many Pokémon to obtain a new form called Mega Evolution; with a special stone called the Scizorite, it could Mega Evolve into Mega Scizor.

Just one thing; Scizor is already playable in another fighting game, that being Katsuhiro Harada's Pokkén Tournament (well, the arcade and DX versions anyway). So why am I so adamant about it being in Smash? Well, you see...

Spoiler: Why, in my opinion, Scizor should've been the Gen 2 rep

Since the development of Super Smash Bros. Melee only lasted 13 months, 6 of its 14 newcomers are clones of other characters, with Pichu from the same Johto region being one of them.

Scizor does make an active appearance, though...sadly, it's as a Poké Ball summon (a role it retains for its return in Ultimate, as well as being a Spirit).

I believe that if Melee had more time in the oven (like, maybe another year or so), Scizor would make a better Gen 2 rep than Pichu purely because the former feels like a natural fit for a fighting game.

(This is a sentiment I also hold for Ayumi Tachibana replacing Dr. Mario in this scenario, but that's another story).

It could also return in the 3DS and Wii U games for the sake of its Mega Evolution as its Final Smash (and Ultimate, for obvious reasons).

For visual clarity;

• Here's how it would look in Melee
• Here's how it would look in Smash 4 (with some small touch-ups)
• And here's how it looks in Ultimate (it would stay mostly the same as a fighter; again, with some small touch-ups)

Spoiler: Moveset

Intro: Scizor pops out of a Poké Ball

Stance/Idle 1: Its idle animation from Pokémon Stadium 2
Idle 2: Scizor does an X-pose with its pincers
Idle 3: Scizor stretches out and flutters its wings

Notable Palette Swaps:

1. Scizor (default)
2. Shiny Scizor (yellow-green)
3. Scyther (green)
4. Manga Scizor (gray/black)
5. Orre Shiny Scizor (yellow/black)
6. Pinsir (brown/white)
7. Genesect (purple)
8. Lugia (white/blue)

Walk: Scizor floats along the ground almost motionlessly
Dash: Scizor dashes as it flutters
Damage: Scizor will turn its head, barely fazed
Jump: Scizor jumps with its wings the second time, barely leaving the ground
Crouch: Scizor crouches like it's about to strike prey

Normal Attacks
Jab: Scizor slices twice (4%) then keeps slicing rapidly (1%-2%, small knockback), finishing with a snap of its pincer (5%, small knockback)
Forward+A: Scizor attacks with a pincer as it flutters along (3%, small knockback)
Down+A: Scizor kicks lightly along the ground (4%, small knockback)
Up+A: Scizor slashes in an upward 45o arc (6%, small knockback)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Bug Buzz; Scizor uses its wings to emit a noise around itself (6%, small knockback)
Air Forward+A: Scizor snaps a pincer in front of itself (7%, small knockback)
Air Back + A: Steel Wing; Scizor flashes it wings behind itself (8%, OK knockback)
Air Up+A: U-Turn; Scizor does a backflip kick above itself (7%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Swords Dance; Scizor falls downward, putting its legs together like a sword (11% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)

Dash Attack: Fury Swipes; Scizor rapidly slices the opponent five times with its pincers (10%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Wing Attack: Scizor slices the opponent with its wings as it climbs back up (6%, small knockback)
Get-Up Attack: U-Turn; Scizor hops back up with a backflip kick (7%, small knockback)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Bug Bite; Scizor violently snaps a pincer as two green mandibles appear around it (22%, medium knockback)
Up+A: Metal Sound; Scizor uses its wings to emit a harsh noise above itself (19%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Low Sweep; Scizor does a 180o spin kick around the floor (17%, medium knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Scizor grabs the opponent with one of its pincers
Pummel: Scizor squeezes the opponent with one of its pincers (2%)
Forwards+Throw: Scizor punches the opponent (9%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Take Down; Scizor jumps up and slams the opponent onto the ground (16%, OK knockback)
Back+Throw: Reversal; Scizor zips behind the opponent and kicks them (10%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: Iron Head; Scizor tosses the opponent up, then headbutts them (13%, OK knockback)

Special Moves
B : Bullet Punch; Scizor rapidly punches the opponent multiple times when B is held (2%-4%), finishing with a powerful punch when B is let go of (8%, OK knockback); the attack weakens the longer B is held down
B + Forwards : X-Scissor; Scizor flashes forward and slashes in a horizontal X shape, which can hit up to four opponents at once (11%, OK knockback)
B + Up : Razor Wind; Scizor charges up a whirlwind that it can use any time it’s ready. At full charge, Scizor unleashes a violent wind around its opponents (20%, OK knockback) and jumps high into the air.
B + Down : Iron Defense / Flash Cannon; by holding B, Scizor covers itself in a metal coating that halves damage taken for three seconds. If B is let go at the last second (indicated by a brief flash), Scizor fires two orbs of light from either pincer (17% each, OK knockback). Letting go of B before the full 3 seconds or holding it all the way simply makes the coating disappear.

Final Smash: Mega X-Scissor; Scizor Mega Evolves into Mega Scizor, slashing furiously (20%) and finishing with an X-Scissor that covers nearly the entire screen (38%, devastating knockback)

Gimmick: N/A

Taunts
1: Scizor does an X-pose
2: Scizor puts its pincers next to its face, making it look like it has three heads
1+2: Scizor shuts its pincers and poses like it's intimidating an enemy

Winposes
1: Mega Scizor performs a Bullet Punch
2: Scizor hurls up a rock and breaks it
3: Scizor, floating a bit, comes down and raises one of its pincers in the air

Applause: Scizor folds its arms and disappointedly flaps its wings
Icon: The Pokémon series icon
Boxing Ring Title: Bug of Steel
Star K.O.: Scizor lets out a harsh noise from its wings
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/m9_ozzyG3uo
Kirby Hat: Scizor’s wings and claws

Spoiler: Stage: Sprout Tower

Game of Origin: Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver (1999)

Layout: There are three roofs on the tower that serve as platforms

Gimmicks and Hazards: This tower has many strange tricks up its sleeve:

• Every 30 seconds, the pillar in the tower begins to sway either left or right. 5 seconds later, the entire tower begins to tilt in the same direction as the pillar!
• Different wild Pokémon also appear during either the day or night, appearing from a door at a random part of the stage
  • During both cycles, a Rattata appears as a sneaking Thief, stealing any nearby items; fortunately, it can attacked and the item can be recovered
  • During the daytime, a Bellsprout will appear and shoot Poison Powder from its mouth
  • During the night, the Gastly will hurt any fighter that comes in contact with it
  • Only one wild Pokémon appears at a time, and none of them appear when the tower tilts

Battlefield/Ω Form: The Ω Form is based on the walls of the tower. The Battlefield Form platforms are based on the platforms of the regular stage. The tower itself appears in the background for both of these forms.

(Loosely based on this concept)

Spoiler: Classic Mode: The Old Generation

(fights characters from Game Boy games; however, I had it take place on another stage I created called Game Boy Medley)

Round​	Opponent​	Stage​	Music​	Notes​
1​	​	Green Greens GB​	King Dedede’s Theme (for 3DS / Wii U)​	Free-for-all​
2​	​	World 1-3​	Underground Theme - Super Mario Land​
3​	​	Tal Tal Heights​	Tal Tal Heights​
4​	​	SR-388 Surface​	Boss Battle 4 - Metroid: Samus Returns​	Only the Metroid appears as an Assist Trophy​
5​	​	Battle! Champion Blue​	Pokémon Red / Pokémon Blue Medley​	Free-for-all​
6​	Scizor​	Tetris​	Tetris Type A​
Bonus Game​
Final Round​		​	Master Hand​	appears on 7.0 or higher

Credits: Pokémon Gold / Pokémon Silver Medley

Noms:
Azura x5

 

[Yiptap]

Noms:
Jack Frost x 10

 

[fogbadge]

OOOH, I've been waiting for this!
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Scizor
is Here to Trade Blows!

Spoiler: Background info

Debut: Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver (1999)

Scizor (ハッサム Hassam) is the evolution of Scyther. It's normally obtained by trading a Scyther with an item called the Metal Coat and letting it evolve.

In Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, it was one of many Pokémon to obtain a new form called Mega Evolution; with a special stone called the Scizorite, it could Mega Evolve into Mega Scizor.
View attachment 340944
Just one thing; Scizor is already playable in another fighting game, that being Katsuhiro Harada's Pokkén Tournament (well, the arcade and DX versions anyway). So why am I so adamant about it being in Smash? Well, you see...

Spoiler: Why, in my opinion, Scizor should've been the Gen 2 rep

Since the development of Super Smash Bros. Melee only lasted 13 months, 6 of its 14 newcomers are clones of other characters, with Pichu from the same Johto region being one of them.
View attachment 340946
Scizor does make an active appearance, though...sadly, it's as a Poké Ball summon (a role it retains for its return in Ultimate, as well as being a Spirit).

I believe that if Melee had more time in the oven (like, maybe another year or so), Scizor would make a better Gen 2 rep than Pichu purely because the former feels like a natural fit for a fighting game.

(This is a sentiment I also hold for Ayumi Tachibana replacing Dr. Mario in this scenario, but that's another story).

It could also return in the 3DS and Wii U games for the sake of its Mega Evolution as its Final Smash (and Ultimate, for obvious reasons).

For visual clarity;

• Here's how it would look in Melee
• Here's how it would look in Smash 4 (with some small touch-ups)
• And here's how it looks in Ultimate (it would stay mostly the same as a fighter; again, with some small touch-ups)

Spoiler: Moveset

Intro: Scizor pops out of a Poké Ball

Stance/Idle 1: Its idle animation from Pokémon Stadium 2
Idle 2: Scizor does an X-pose with its pincers
Idle 3: Scizor stretches out and flutters its wings

Notable Palette Swaps:

1. Scizor (default)
2. Shiny Scizor (yellow-green)
3. Scyther (green)
4. Manga Scizor (gray/black)
5. Orre Shiny Scizor (yellow/black)
6. Pinsir (brown/white)
7. Genesect (purple)
8. Lugia (white/blue)

Walk: Scizor floats along the ground almost motionlessly
Dash: Scizor dashes as it flutters
Damage: Scizor will turn its head, barely fazed
Jump: Scizor jumps with its wings the second time, barely leaving the ground
Crouch: Scizor crouches like it's about to strike prey

Normal Attacks
Jab: Scizor slices twice (4%) then keeps slicing rapidly (1%-2%, small knockback), finishing with a snap of its pincer (5%, small knockback)
Forward+A: Scizor attacks with a pincer as it flutters along (3%, small knockback)
Down+A: Scizor kicks lightly along the ground (4%, small knockback)
Up+A: Scizor slashes in an upward 45o arc (6%, small knockback)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Bug Buzz; Scizor uses its wings to emit a noise around itself (6%, small knockback)
Air Forward+A: Scizor snaps a pincer in front of itself (7%, small knockback)
Air Back + A: Steel Wing; Scizor flashes it wings behind itself (8%, OK knockback)
Air Up+A: U-Turn; Scizor does a backflip kick above itself (7%, OK knockback)
Air Down+A: Swords Dance; Scizor falls downward, putting its legs together like a sword (11% with a meteor effect, OK knockback)

Dash Attack: Fury Swipes; Scizor rapidly slices the opponent five times with its pincers (10%, OK knockback)
Edge Attack: Wing Attack: Scizor slices the opponent with its wings as it climbs back up (6%, small knockback)
Get-Up Attack: U-Turn; Scizor hops back up with a backflip kick (7%, small knockback)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Bug Bite; Scizor violently snaps a pincer as two green mandibles appear around it (22%, medium knockback)
Up+A: Metal Sound; Scizor uses its wings to emit a harsh noise above itself (19%, medium knockback)
Down+A: Low Sweep; Scizor does a 180o spin kick around the floor (17%, medium knockback)

Grab Game
Grab: Scizor grabs the opponent with one of its pincers
Pummel: Scizor squeezes the opponent with one of its pincers (2%)
Forwards+Throw: Scizor punches the opponent (9%, OK knockback)
Down+Throw: Take Down; Scizor jumps up and slams the opponent onto the ground (16%, OK knockback)
Back+Throw: Reversal; Scizor zips behind the opponent and kicks them (10%, OK knockback)
Up+Throw: Iron Head; Scizor tosses the opponent up, then headbutts them (13%, OK knockback)

Special Moves
B : Bullet Punch; Scizor rapidly punches the opponent multiple times when B is held (2%-4%), finishing with a powerful punch when B is let go of (8%, OK knockback); the attack weakens the longer B is held down
B + Forwards : X-Scissor; Scizor flashes forward and slashes in a horizontal X shape, which can hit up to four opponents at once (11%, OK knockback)
B + Up : Razor Wind; Scizor charges up a whirlwind that it can use any time it’s ready. At full charge, Scizor unleashes a violent wind around its opponents (20%, OK knockback) and jumps high into the air.
B + Down : Iron Defense / Flash Cannon; by holding B, Scizor covers itself in a metal coating that halves damage taken for three seconds. If B is let go at the last second (indicated by a brief flash), Scizor fires two orbs of light from either pincer (17% each, OK knockback). Letting go of B before the full 3 seconds or holding it all the way simply makes the coating disappear.

Final Smash: Mega X-Scissor; Scizor Mega Evolves into Mega Scizor, slashing furiously (20%) and finishing with an X-Scissor that covers nearly the entire screen (38%, devastating knockback)

Gimmick: N/A

Taunts
1: Scizor does an X-pose
2: Scizor puts its pincers next to its face, making it look like it has three heads
1+2: Scizor shuts its pincers and poses like it's intimidating an enemy

Winposes
1: Mega Scizor performs a Bullet Punch
2: Scizor hurls up a rock and breaks it
3: Scizor, floating a bit, comes down and raises one of its pincers in the air

Applause: Scizor folds its arms and disappointedly flaps its wings
Icon: The Pokémon series icon
Boxing Ring Title: Bug of Steel
Star K.O.: Scizor lets out a harsh noise from its wings
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/m9_ozzyG3uo
Kirby Hat: Scizor’s wings and claws

Spoiler: Stage: Sprout Tower

Game of Origin: Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver (1999)

Layout: There are three roofs on the tower that serve as platforms

Gimmicks and Hazards: This tower has many strange tricks up its sleeve:

• Every 30 seconds, the pillar in the tower begins to sway either left or right. 5 seconds later, the entire tower begins to tilt in the same direction as the pillar!
• Different wild Pokémon also appear during either the day or night, appearing from a door at a random part of the stage
  • During both cycles, a Rattata appears as a sneaking Thief, stealing any nearby items; fortunately, it can attacked and the item can be recovered
  • During the daytime, a Bellsprout will appear and shoot Poison Powder from its mouth
  • During the night, the Gastly will hurt any fighter that comes in contact with it
  • Only one wild Pokémon appears at a time, and none of them appear when the tower tilts

Battlefield/Ω Form: The Ω Form is based on the walls of the tower. The Battlefield Form platforms are based on the platforms of the regular stage. The tower itself appears in the background for both of these forms.

(Loosely based on this concept)

Spoiler: Classic Mode: The Old Generation

(fights characters from Game Boy games; however, I had it take place on another stage I created called Game Boy Medley)

Round​	Opponent​	Stage​	Music​	Notes​
1​	​	Green Greens GB​	King Dedede’s Theme (for 3DS / Wii U)​	Free-for-all​
2​	​	World 1-3​	Underground Theme - Super Mario Land​
3​	​	Tal Tal Heights​	Tal Tal Heights​
4​	​	SR-388 Surface​	Boss Battle 4 - Metroid: Samus Returns​	Only the Metroid appears as an Assist Trophy​
5​	​	Battle! Champion Blue​	Pokémon Red / Pokémon Blue Medley​	Free-for-all​
6​	Scizor​	Tetris​	Tetris Type A​
Bonus Game​
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Credits: Pokémon Gold / Pokémon Silver Medley

Noms:
Azura x5

hate to burst your bubble but sakurai said that if he could the character he would have added was wario

 

[Dan Quixote]

I'd vote for Scizor for Smash just for the fact that Bug-type is the best Pokémon type and that's a nice little hill to die on