Platform Fighter Exploration Thread: Round 117: General RAAM

[fogbadge]

lets not forget ninja guy from crafted world

 

[Gengar84]

I love the idea of getting more generic enemies for Smash characters. While I personally prefer Goomba, Shy Guy is still really cool in its own way. Do you think they would incorporate anything from its close forgotten relative, Snifit?

I’m also curious whether they would be categorized as a Mario character or Yoshi character. They debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2 but since then they have been more closely associated with the Yoshi games.

As far as noms go, I’ll put all of mine towards Predator again.

 

[Commander_Alph]

I’m also curious whether they would be categorized as a Mario character or Yoshi character. They debuted in Super Mario Bros. 2 but since then they have been more closely associated with the Yoshi games.

I think it depends, Ultimate classify Kamek to be from the Mario Series because of his artwork despite his prominence as a villain in the Yoshi series while on the flip side, Blargg who debuted on SMW is classified to be from Yoshi due to the use of his artwork from Yoshi's Story, and in the middle, there's Yoshi who represents the Yoshi series while his artwork is from Mario Party while the other uses art from their separate series like Wario and DK.

I think with how his origin is pretty interesting given they are from a reskinned licensed game I think it would probably fit them more to fall under the Super Mario umbrella.

(Oh, hey didn't know this gets rebranded and continued on a separate thread)

 

[Gengar84]

On the subject of series classifications of Wario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi, I consider all three to be both Mario characters as well as their own separate characters. My thought is if they regularly appear in Mario spinoff games like Mario Party and sports games, they still count as Mario characters. At the same time, they have successfully branched off into their own thing, especially DK and Wario since they no longer appear in mainline Mario games. Yoshi is in the same class as Luigi for me since both are still very present in mainline Mario games as well as their own separate games.

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Scizor ×5

 

[Commander_Alph]

On the subject of series classifications of Wario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi, I consider all three to be both Mario characters as well as their own separate characters. My thought is if they regularly appear in Mario spinoff games like Mario Party and sports games, they still count as Mario characters. At the same time, they have successfully branched off into their own thing, especially DK and Wario since they no longer appear in mainline Mario games. Yoshi is in the same class as Luigi for me since both are still very present in mainline Mario games as well as their own separate games.

Speaking of separate, I know that this doesn't have anything to do with Shy Guy but how come Luigi's Mansion is still under Super Mario in Smash? Is the entry for the series is still small unlike Persona or DK?

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of separate, I know that this doesn't have anything to do with Shy Guy but how come Luigi's Mansion is still under Super Mario in Smash? Is the entry for the series is still small unlike Persona or DK?

That’s a good question. I think the most recent Luigi’s Mansion sold extremely well so maybe it will be considered separate in future Smash games.

I’m still a little annoyed that the Super Mario World stage and music are considered separate series from each other so you can’t even play the music that belongs on the stage.

 

[fogbadge]

I love the idea of getting more generic enemies for Smash characters. While I personally prefer Goomba, Shy Guy is still really cool in its own way. Do you think they would incorporate anything from its close forgotten relative, Snifit?

well i always imagined shy guys moveset would

 

[Gengar84]

well i always imagined shy guys moveset would

Yeah, I imagine Shy Guy would swap to a Snifit mask to shoot the projectile similar to how K. Rool wears the pirate hat to shoot his cannon.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, I imagine Shy Guy would swap to a Snifit mask to shoot the projectile similar to how K. Rool wears the pirate hat to shoot his cannon.

Yeah exactly. It could make for a simple enough neutral special or strong side

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You could also make it so you have to do some kind of thing with Shy Guy to unlock the Snifit Spirit.

As for a Spirit Board, Snifit, General Guy, Bandit, for sure. You could also include the various Paper Shy Guy designs, along with the one from Luigi's Mansion~

 

[fogbadge]

what do we think for victory themes? a unique one or a shared one?

 

[Commander_Alph]

what do we think for victory themes? a unique one or a shared one?

Probably shared with the Mario's villain theme, while it is already certain this one is not which the stage choice, what would it be?

 

[amageish]

Okay, great Shy Guy discussion everyone! We've been super lively relative the state of SmashBoards in general lately.

Here's the current noms list.

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Scizor - x90
God Eater Rep - x75
Shovel Knight - x75
Odie (NASB) - x75
Isaac (Golden Sun) - x70
Mash Kyrielight - x70
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
Opa-Opa - x55
Rangi (NASB) - x55

26-50 noms
Bubsy - x50
Predator - x50
Commander Shepard - x45
Vectorman - x45
2B - x40
Chell - x38
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
Jason Frudnick - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Max (Shining Force) - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Daitoryo - x20
King Harkinian - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15
Jack Frost - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Carl Johnson - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

And here's the usable noms. I'm also going to take a cue from how RTC worked and start just reposting any noms that went unsued in the previous day...

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Paraster - x10
Dan Quixote - x20
Verde Coeden Scalesworth - x20
GolisoPower - x20
fogbadge - x30
Yiptap - x10
amageish - x15
Gengar84 - x25
Commander_Alph - x20

And we're moving onto Crypto from Apex Legends. This is a game/genre with which I am not very familiar, but here's my best shot as an OST sampler to start us off...

Spoiler: Crypto Music Sampler

 

[GolisoPower]

Now I've been wanting to ask: why Crypto? Is he some new rising star of the Apex community? Is he some top-tier character in Apex? Somebody please explain to me like my autism is way lower-functioning.

Noms:
Rango (NASB) x15
Daitoryo x5

 

[Yiptap]

I've never played Apex Legends, so I'll just ask the obvious: Who is Crypto?

Jack Frost x All

 

[Paraster]

Noms: King Harkinian x10

Personally, I'd probably pick Bloodhound as an Apex rep...but then again, they're the only Legend I actually used in my brief time playing the game lol

Seems that the two have a similar thing about tracking opponents, with Crypto using drones while Bloodhound uses masterful hunting skills. Not sure how you'd translate tracking opponents to a platform fighter where everyone is visible onscreen at once.

 

[GolisoPower]

Noms: King Harkinian x10

Personally, I'd probably pick Bloodhound as an Apex rep...but then again, they're the only Legend I actually used in my brief time playing the game lol

Seems that the two have a similar thing about tracking opponents, with Crypto using drones while Bloodhound uses masterful hunting skills. Not sure how you'd translate tracking opponents to a platform fighter where everyone is visible onscreen at once.

Maybe tracking opponents could be a sort of debuff that makes it so Crypto ignores dodge frames? Like, if a drone manages to catch you in its sights, Crypto could hit you regardless of whether or not you dodge?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

All noms on Max(Shining Force)~

 

[Gengar84]

I’ve tried to use all my points towards Predator for the past two characters but I don’t see it anywhere. Is Predator off limits for some reason? If not, I’ll try putting all of them again.

 

[Perkilator]

Noms:
Scizor x5

 

[amageish]

I’ve tried to use all my points towards Predator for the past two characters but I don’t see it anywhere. Is Predator off limits for some reason? If not, I’ll try putting all of them again.

Whoops! Sorry, I just missed them. In general, it may be best to use the "Noms to X" format, as I will sometimes miss nominations that are written out in full sentences when I'm doing up the list...

 

[Dan Quixote]

all 20 noms to ya person of indeterminate gender, Commander Shepard

Hm Apex Legends eh? It's apparently more popular in Japan than Fortnite is, so I can see it. However, I personally have only dabbled in Fortnite. What's Apex do that sets it apart in battle royales, and how might that be incorporated?

 

[fogbadge]

noms to odie

 

[Gengar84]

Whoops! Sorry, I just missed them. In general, it may be best to use the "Noms to X" format, as I will sometimes miss nominations that are written out in full sentences when I'm doing up the list...

No problem, I’ll try to use that format from here on.

 

[amageish]

I'm going to tag DanganZilla5 now, as they've been nominating this character and are probably best qualified the respond to questions haha. All I can say is that hunting seems neat as a mechanic!

No problem, I’ll try to use that format from here on.

Thanks! I've edited Predator's 50 noms into the last post.

 

[DanganZilla5]

I'm going to tag DanganZilla5 now, as they've been nominating this character and are probably best qualified the respond to questions haha. All I can say is that hunting seems neat as a mechanic!



Thanks! I've edited Predator's 50 noms into the last post.

oh Amageish the Crypto I was nominating is the main character from Destroy All Humans.

 

[fogbadge]

oh Amageish the Crypto I was nominating is the main character from Destroy All Humans.

well it was bound to happen one day

 

[GolisoPower]

Oh. Uhh, hehe, this is hilariously awkward lol

 

[amageish]

oh Amageish the Crypto I was nominating is the main character from Destroy All Humans.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

Welp. Um. Whoops!

I have no idea how this mistake happened and I have gotten a new computer within the last week so I can't easily check, but I'm guessing either (i) someone else nominated Crypto from Apex Legends and I mixed up the nominations into a single pool or (ii) I didn't think of Destroy All Humans and ended up just googling "Crypto Video Game Character" and went with the first result.

Though, TBH, if we had to have a character be confused with another character, it being a character whose famous for disguising himself to blend in is a pretty funny coincidence.

Either way... Uh... ANYWAY LET'S MOVE ONTO CRYPTO FROM DESTROY ALL HUMANS!

Spoiler: Crypto Music Sampler (For Real This Time)

Anyone who posted/asked-questions about Crypto from Apex Legends will still get noms at the end of the day too, of course.

 

[Yiptap]

I've never played Destroy All Humans, so I'll just ask the obvious: Who is Crypto?

(Repurposing my old question)

 

[DanganZilla5]

No need for awkwardness. I'll just introduce you all to Crypto from Destroy All Humans.

Now you might be wondering: What is Destroy All Humans? Well it's an open world action game where you play as an alien, Crypto, who goes to earth to harvest human brain stems for his species as they lack the "proper reproductive organs." So they use cloning, but their cloning devices are degrading with each new clone. Luckily a long time ago a bunch of Furons (Crypto's species) visited Earth and "had fun" with the native humans there, so there is now a strand of pure Furon DNA inside of each human that they can use to stabilize their cloning.

Anyway, moving on, I want to discuss Crypto within the context of Smash Bros. Basically he would be a glass cannon. He doesn't really have any close combat attacks to use and he relies on a shield which can only take so much damage. BUT he's packin' some real heat! He has gained dozens of weapons throughout the series. He has his trusty Zap-O-Matic which delivers a shocking bolt of electricity, the Disintegrator Ray which shoots balls of molten lava, the Ion Detonator which is pretty much a grenade launcher that shoots an iodized ball that detonates on contact and can destroy vehicles with ease. He also has the Disclocator Ray which shoots discs that latches onto people and objects and sends them flying, the Superballer which shoots out balls that attaches to things and sends on them on a bouncy ride, a straight up meteor gun that sends down asteroids from space, The Venus Human Trap, and other tools of destruction.

But wait, there's more! Crypto also has psychokinesis powers which allows him to lift heavy objects with his mind. He also can pick up something and magnetizes objects and people to it, and he can stop time. He has a jetpack for his recovery and allows him to maneuver and fight with ease in the air. And of course he has his flying saucer to rain down death and destruction. For his final smash he goes into his saucer and uses the Quantum Deconstructor to nuke a large section of the stage.

If you listen to the music above, you will notice that yes, Destroy All Humans is a parody of each decade that the games take place in. So for example the first game takes place in the 50s so it takes after all those cheesy alien flicks from that decade, as well as spoofing the communist scare that was happening at that time. In fact, the soundtrack uses a theremin, which is the instrument that is used for that eerie, alien-ish feel. For the second game, it's set in 1969, so there's plenty of jokes around hippie culture, ninjas, and spy flicks. James Bond fans will find a wealth of references in that game.

Destroy All Humans is a special series. It's one of the few games where you are playing as the alien going on a murder spree and it just has a charm to it. I grew up with the series and it's one of my absolute favorites. For those of you who are interested in playing it, there is a remake of the first game available for the Switch, PS4, Xbox One, and PC. THQ Nordic just announced a remake of the second game, but that's coming to PC and the new gen consoles only. I implore you all to try it out. DAH is funny, witty, filled with colorful characters, and is great fun. You get to run around and blow stuff up with cool as **** weapons, and you can go into the saucer and level whole towns.

It has a very low chance to get into Smash, but it would be an absolute dream come true for me. Crypto is one my top most wanted, I think he will have a very fun moveset and DAH has great music that will add variety to the already wide range of tunes that Smash has.

 

[fogbadge]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

Welp. Um. Whoops!

well i found that funny

 

[Gengar84]

No need for awkwardness. I'll just introduce you all to Crypto from Destroy All Humans.

Now you might be wondering: What is Destroy All Humans? Well it's an open world action game where you play as an alien, Crypto, who goes to earth to harvest human brain stems for his species as they lack the "proper reproductive organs." So they use cloning, but their cloning devices are degrading with each new clone. Luckily a long time ago a bunch of Furons (Crypto's species) visited Earth and "had fun" with the native humans there, so there is now a strand of pure Furon DNA inside of each human that they can use to stabilize their cloning.

Anyway, moving on, I want to discuss Crypto within the context of Smash Bros. Basically he would be a glass cannon. He doesn't really have any close combat attacks to use and he relies on a shield which can only take so much damage. BUT he's packin' some real heat! He has gained dozens of weapons throughout the series. He has his trusty Zap-O-Matic which delivers a shocking bolt of electricity, the Disintegrator Ray which shoots balls of molten lava, the Ion Detonator which is pretty much a grenade launcher that shoots an iodized ball that detonates on contact and can destroy vehicles with ease. He also has the Disclocator Ray which shoots discs that latches onto people and objects and sends them flying, the Superballer which shoots out balls that attaches to things and sends on them on a bouncy ride, a straight up meteor gun that sends down asteroids from space, The Venus Human Trap, and other tools of destruction.

But wait, there's more! Crypto also has psychokinesis powers which allows him to lift heavy objects with his mind. He also can pick up something and magnetizes objects and people to it, and he can stop time. He has a jetpack for his recovery and allows him to maneuver and fight with ease in the air. And of course he has his flying saucer to rain down death and destruction. For his final smash he goes into his saucer and uses the Quantum Deconstructor to nuke a large section of the stage.

If you listen to the music above, you will notice that yes, Destroy All Humans is a parody of each decade that the games take place in. So for example the first game takes place in the 50s so it takes after all those cheesy alien flicks from that decade, as well as spoofing the communist scare that was happening at that time. In fact, the soundtrack uses a theremin, which is the instrument that is used for that eerie, alien-ish feel. For the second game, it's set in 1969, so there's plenty of jokes around hippie culture, ninjas, and spy flicks. James Bond fans will find a wealth of references in that game.

Destroy All Humans is a special series. It's one of the few games where you are playing as the alien going on a murder spree and it just has a charm to it. I grew up with the series and it's one of my absolute favorites. For those of you who are interested in playing it, there is a remake of the first game available for the Switch, PS4, Xbox One, and PC. THQ Nordic just announced a remake of the second game, but that's coming to PC and the new gen consoles only. I implore you all to try it out. DAH is funny, witty, filled with colorful characters, and is great fun. You get to run around and blow stuff up with cool as **** weapons, and you can go into the saucer and level whole towns.

It has a very low chance to get into Smash, but it would be an absolute dream come true for me. Crypto is one my top most wanted, I think he will have a very fun moveset and DAH has great music that will add variety to the already wide range of tunes that Smash has.

I remember seeing this game a long time ago and it always looked fun but I never got around to trying it. From what you described, Crypto seems like a really fun and unique character. We don’t really have a classic alien character in Smash yet either.

 

[fogbadge]

I remember seeing this game a long time ago and it always looked fun but I never got around to trying it. From what you described, Crypto seems like a really fun and unique character. We don’t really have a classic alien character in Smash yet either.

by classic alien do you mean the look?

 

[Gengar84]

by classic alien do you mean the look?

Yeah, Ridley and Olimar are technically aliens too but we don’t really have a character yet that looks like the classical depiction of an alien like Crypto.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, Ridley and Olimar are technically aliens too but we don’t really have a character yet that looks like the classical depiction of an alien like Crypto.

ok. just checking

 

[fogbadge]

it occurs to me theres another krypto whos possible for multiversus

several kryptos now that i think of it

 

[Perkilator]

I believe we should be moving on?

 

[amageish]

Okay, let's move on to the next day... Sorry about the mix-up, everyone...

Spoiler: The Noms List

50-75 noms
Odie (NASB) - x105
Scizor - x95
God Eater Rep - x75
Predator - x75
Shovel Knight - x75
Isaac (Golden Sun) - x70
Mash Kyrielight - x70
Rangi (NASB) - x70
Commander Shepard - x65
Hearthstone Innkeeper - x65
Opa-Opa - x55

26-50 noms
Bubsy - x50
Vectorman - x45
2B - x40
Max (Shining Force) - x40
Chell - x38
Jonesy - x37
Trauma Center Content - x32
Wilfre - x30
Wadanohara* - x30
Zero Escape Rep - x30
Jason Frudnick - x30
King Harkinian - x30
Sly Cooper - x28

11-25 noms
Chun-Li - x25
Meowth - x25
SMT Content - x25
Daitoryo - x25
Jack Frost - x25
Clockman (NASB) - x20
Master Hand - x20
Mega Man X - x20
Morrigan - x20
Darkest Dungeon Content - x16
Rango (NASB) - x15
Ezio - x15
Gunvolt - x15

5-10 noms
Pauline - x10
Lobotomy Corporation/Library of Ruina Content - x7
Jack (Final Fantasy Origin) - x5
Carl Johnson - x5
Frogger - x5
9-volt - x5
Nathan Drake - x5
Ahri - x5
Spyro the Dragon - x3
Tracer - x3

Spoiler: Usable Noms

Commander_Alph - x20
GolisoPower - x15
Yiptap - x15
Paraster - x15
Dan Quixote - x10
DanganZilla5 - x25
Gengar84 - x15
amageish - x10

And we're onto the FEH Summoner's Day. Here's some FEH music to start us off!

Spoiler: Kiran Music Sampler